The End The End You're listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Folks, I've got to tell you, I've got a bad respiratory congestion and my voice is on the edge of failure. So, please bear with me. Tonight, if you hear me hacking and coughing, I'll try to turn this pot down so you don't have to go through any of that stuff with me. Tonight, we're going to talk about the UFO thing again. And we're going to talk about some of the characters involved with this phenomena. But first, let's go to Phoenix for the Metal Report with Gene Miller. Good evening, Gene. Good evening, Bill. How are you? I'm doing, sounds like I'm doing a little bit better than you. I hope you get to feeling better. Oh, I'm all right. You know how it is with these cold things. Yeah. Come and go, huh? Yeah. Well, today, gold had a high of $389.50, a low of $387.40 to close at $389.20, down $0.10. Silver had a high of $5.40, a low of $5.29 to close at $5.39, up $0.09. Platinum had a high of $4.2390, a low of $4.20.90 to close at $4.2350, up $1.60. And the Dow Jones had a high of $38.70.10 and a low of $38.37.40 to close at $38.48.20, down $2.3 points. One of the things I wanted to read you, a couple of little interesting things out of this book from Peter Kershaw, Economic Solutions. If you haven't got one, still don't hesitate to give us a call. Most of the brokers, and I can't speak for all of them, but I know that most of them are willing, if you're willing to read the book, okay, because it does no good just to gather dust. But read the book and pass it on to somebody else and help somebody else understand what's going on. A lot of them are foregoing the cost to you or they're covering it for you. Here's something. Wait a minute. That's a $9 book, isn't it? Yeah, it is. We feel it's valuable enough as far as people getting educated that, speaking for myself, I'll do whatever I have to to get people to wake up. On page one it says, Centralization of credit in the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. You know where that statement is found? In the Communist Manifesto, fifth plank. That's exactly a representation of the Federal Reserve. Also, in the Communist Manifesto, second plank, a heavy progressive and graduated income tax. Sounds like the IRS, huh? Well, it is. Exactly. Exactly. Our Federal Reserve System and our IRS System were taken directly out of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx written in 1848. And it's no wonder that J.P. Morgan wrote, God would not have created sheep unless he had intended for them to be shorn. And that's what's happening, folks. They're shearing you right before your very eyes. That's it. And we have some, you know, let's just say we have ammunition to combat this. And part of that ammunition is knowledge, getting knowledge as to knowing what's happened, how it got there, and how to protect yourself against it, how to stand up and do something about it. You know, I don't know about you, but I remember back as a kid and when I was young, I was kind of skinny and scrawny. Yeah, I thought that was me. No, we must have been in the same boat. So, and the bullies would want to pitch on me, you know, and finally there was one day I said, enough is enough. You know, and I finally just had to stand up for myself. And I hauled around. I remember one particular one, I hauled around, turned around, and I punched this guy right square in the nose. And guess what? He never bothers me again. Yep, that's right. You know? And with your own personal lives, I'm not so, you know, advocating to go out there and do something in an act of violence. But for goodness sakes, wake up, see what's going on, get yourself educated, get some knowledge in this, and then do something about it on your own personal level instead of being a sheep taken to slaughter. Just as far as the coins go, people have been asking me, do we have silver rounds? Yes, do we have some silver rounds? Give us a call. We'll give you a quote. Actually, they're fairly cheap. We're doing just a tad above the spot, so they are a good buy. They are a limited number, so it'll be basically first come, first serve. So if you're interested in silver rounds, call either tonight, leave a message on the voicemail at 1-800-289-264. That's 1-800-BUY-COIN. Or call first thing in the morning and talk to your broker. If you don't have one, give us, you know, call me or call Swiss America. We'll get you taken care of. Also, one of the things that, and it's funny, some of the fellow brokers thought I was nuts. Because there's people that don't have a whole lot of money. They just can't afford a lot, but they wanted to do something. And one of the things I put them into was some MS-64 grade Morgan Silver dollars. Well, lo and behold, those Morgan Silver dollars that we were selling for anywhere from $48 to $50 are up about 35%. And it looks like they could continue to move up. Everyone that's listening tonight, I believe, could afford a coin at $65. I mean, it'd be hard to believe that not everybody listening here tonight couldn't afford that coin. And the nice thing is, you know, when you're dealing with that type of stuff, there's not a lot of it out there. And with the volume of people that listen to this program, that are hearing my voice right now, if every one of them called up, guess what? It'd be like you'd literally make the market move just from your own power within. And, you know, that's one of the things I think that... Wait a minute. ...quote-unquote patriot movement lacks is organization. Getting themselves together as one big force. And, you know, I commend you, Bill, for your efforts in doing that. If anybody's done, made some headway in organizing this and getting some sort of continuity, you have, and yet I think it's only the tip of the iceberg. Well, I think so, too. There's a great herd of wild sheeple out there just waiting, waiting, waiting for somebody to lead them down the right road. Yeah, exactly. That's why we're going to television. They don't listen to shortwave radio. Well, we're looking forward to it all, you know. And just to let you know, as I said this afternoon, a lot of people are excited about the different time slots, especially on the East Coast. They're going to be happy for that. They won't have to stay up until midnight and listen to us. Well, I hope they're just ecstatic because I'm going to be working my butt off doing seven shows a night. That's right. Well, anyhow, give us a call, folks. But call and ask for one of those Morgan Silver Dollars tomorrow or some Silver Rounds or get some literature. Get yourself educated. Quit being a sheeple and start doing something that, folks, you are going to need this. I mean, this information, financially protecting your future, it's not some option anymore. It's a necessity. And give us a call at 1-800-289-2646. And don't put it off. Give us a call. And we'll be glad to help you in any way we can. This is Gene Miller from Swiss America. God bless you all. And God bless you, Bill. Get well. Thank you. All right. Call in, folks. 602. Wait a minute. No, that's 1-800. See? My brain isn't working tonight. 1-800-289-2646. Do it right now. Don't wait until in the morning. You know how you are. Okay. Tonight we're going to get back into the same subject we covered last night. Talk about some of the characters mixed up in this UFO thing. And talk to you. What do you think? Is there really a cover-up? If there is, what are they covering up? Maybe they're covering up the fact that there isn't anything to cover up. Is that what they're covering up? We'll find out. Good night. One more night without sleeping. Watch it till the morning comes creeping. Green door. What's that secret you're keeping? There's a whole piano and they play it hot behind the green door. Don't know what they're doing, but they laugh a lot behind the green door. If they let me in so I can find out what's behind the green door. Not once in the night without sleeping. I feel there. Well, tell me, what's behind the green door? Hello. Hello. How are you? Fine. I know how you are. You need some rosemary oil. I need something. That's for sure. Some rosemary. That'll dissolve that right away. I had a couple things I was going to say. First of all, I don't hear any women ever calling in. I liked your ladies' night, but there were so many good men with good things to say that it was a bummer to have to cut them off. But women should call in more. And I'm also wondering, you were talking about last night about the UFO and the, about how there's like microwaves or mental things that they can do. The man that was saying that he heard the voice, everything's okay. And he said, yeah, they can make us think whatever they want us to think. That's correct. And. Or hear whatever they want you to hear or see whatever they want you to see. Right. So there has to be a way for, so then my question would be, well, what do you do? So that you aren't programmed or aren't capable of being programmed in that way. And would it be through the knowledge, of course, of knowing this is a hologram or this is not Christ. Or, you know, if you read the scriptures, it says this and this, or this couldn't possibly be Christ. You know, the knowledge of just keeping up to date on what's going on and reading and studying. What's your question? Well, there's three things. Would it be spiritual discernment? I mean, how would somebody be able not? Oh, be able to know when you're being manipulated like that? Yeah, because it says, you know. If you can't. Well, yeah, you have to. No, you can't know. You could ask for the gift of spirit. No, no. What? Let me explain something to you. Once you give a group of men or women the power to hide behind a veil called national security. Give them all the money that they want and all the equipment that they want and all the brains that they want. And let them develop this kind of stuff. And then use it on our own citizens as they've been doing for many, many years. Uh-huh. Not only with this mind control stuff, but with experimental surgery. Experimental surgery on the brain. With testing biological agents against the population. With releasing intentionally radioactive gases and isotopes into the air to see how it affects the population. Whenever you do this, believe me, they've developed this to the point where you're not going to know. You're going to think you're really seeing and hearing these things. And I think that's what's happening to most of these people who say they've been abducted by alien beings from another planet. Came down and had intercourse with me. And the baby disappeared. All this kind of stuff. Okay, so you're saying what's happened to most of these people. Now, if it hasn't happened to you, I mean, what has made you or me or somebody else with some kind of mind to say, Hey, you know, this isn't real. I'm not falling for this. Or, you know, I mean... Very simple. There is no evidence whatsoever to support what they say. If what? There is no evidence whatsoever to support what any of them say. Right. Nothing. Not the slightest shred of even circumstantial evidence. So the people out there need to know that. Yes. Okay. And they also need to know, which seems to me, that even the elite would be deceived if possible. That's not scripturally correct, but something like that. Mm-hmm. Now, if possible. So there is some of us that won't be deceived. Correct? I don't know. I'm not deceived so far. Right. Right. Right. So, and how were you saying that you were not deceived? Because you studied? Or because you asked for spiritual discernment? Or because you've taken super vitamins? Or, you know, mostly would you say because you've studied every aspect of situations? Or because you've been given a gift of spiritual discernment to say, now wait a minute, this is not... No, it's because some guy accidentally assigned me to the Office of Naval Intelligence when he shouldn't have done it. And I saw a lot of things that gave me some of the answers already. Right. And told me things that I had thought were true all my life were not true. And set me off on a pattern of study and research that has put me well ahead of the crowd. Right. Right. So hopefully all the Bill Cooper listeners can go around and tell everybody, now wait a minute, that's not a UFO. I mean, that's not a... Well, if it's unidentified, it is a UFO. And if it's in the air, it's a UFO. Unidentified. You've put an alien from another planet that's going to save us all. Well, we don't know that either. See, nobody knows if extraterrestrials are real or not. Nobody's been every place in the universe. Nobody knows if there's life under the planet because we haven't been there. So the best way for your common man or woman to not be deceived would be... Don't believe anything unless you can prove it. Okay. And eat good and stay healthy and... And love somebody. And love somebody. Okay. We'll do that then. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Bye. 602-337-2524 is the number. You know, when I first came out and started talking about what I had seen in documents while I was with the Office of Naval Intelligence, some of it involved UFO things. And when I started to tell people what it was that I had seen, I was inundated with these people from what they call the UFO community. And I thought that they were all honest and good people and they all seemed to be real nice and wanted to help and everything. And they did. But as long as I said that I saw documents that said aliens were here and were in a secret agreement with the government and that they were mutilating cattle and taking some human beings and things like that, I saw in these documents. They loved me. The moment I began to cast doubt on it and say, wait a minute, this just, it doesn't sound right. You know, I just can't believe that the people I worked with, you know, I went and fought in Vietnam. I was serving my country. In just eight years, I made first class petty officer in the Navy. That's almost unheard of. And I had a top secret clearance. I just couldn't believe that they would pass documents through my hands to let me see them in order to mislead me into believing it was true to go out and tell the world about this and help bring about this scam. But when I really began seriously looking into it, instead of just believing what I had seen in those documents, I began to understand that that's exactly what they did. That it wasn't real. That it was a lie. It was a deception. And they were using me. And when I tried to put that out as a possibility, that's when, for no reason at all, all of a sudden, when somebody was writing about me in a book or a magazine, I was an anti-Semite. I never said anything about Jews. Never did anything to a Jew in my life. Never have I been anti-Semitic. And a lot of other things. I became a drunk who beat my wife. A child molester who molested my daughter, who, by the way, had just been born at that time. You couldn't molest her if you wanted to. And all kinds of things. When I was on a radio talk show, being interviewed by the host, somebody would call in. And this is exactly what they would say. I know that Bill Cooper is a white, Aryan, racist supremacist. He's a Nazi. He's an anti-Semite. But this is what they would say. And it didn't stick, very simply, because the talk show host would look over at me and ask me if it was true. And I would very calmly say, why don't you ask my wife? She's Chinese. So, as hard as they tried, they couldn't stick that racial crap on me. But they still tried today. Not too long ago, in Omni magazine, they tried to stick that anti-Semitic label on me. And also, at the same time, I'm doing this radio show. I'm getting all these letters from the white, Aryan, racist, who are really white, Aryan, racist, calling me race traitor. I'll tell you, folks, if you could sit in this chair for about three weeks where I'm at, you would see a view of the world that is absolutely insane. And you wonder why I'm short with people and don't have patience for stupidity and ignorance? You come and sit where I'm sitting for a while, and you won't either. Good evening. You're on the air. Hello, Bill. Hello. This is Dan in Texas. I do. And I love your show, and I'm glad you're on the air. And the people of Texas are really proud of what you're doing to expose the corruption in our government, especially with this alien nonsense. And my question is, the appearance of black helicopters at these cattle mutilations, and then a substance that was supposedly found and used in several aircraft, such as the Japanese WASP and the F-14 and the stealth bomber. It's called Tazaron. Yeah, it shows up under black light. Yes. Have you heard anything about that? Yeah. The cattle are covered with it sometimes after these things. And what about the alien reproduction vehicle? Alien reproduction vehicle? Well, supposedly... Is that a flying cat house? I mean, are you being funny or what? Well, supposedly, somebody that had worked at Area 51 had snuck out some diagrams and drawings of a... Oh, you're talking about the drawing in the back of my book. Yes. Yeah, well, that came from someone who worked at Norton Air Force Base who had seen this in a hangar, and it's piloted by humans, not aliens. Mm-hmm. And as you can plainly see, if you look at the diagram in the appendix of my book, you can see that those seats are made for human beings. So, okay. And what about the stairway on the moon and the faces on Mars? Well, now you're getting into something I really like to talk about. Everybody looks at these things, and they accept them as being true. What's the first thing that you should ask yourself? Hmm. Oh, I don't know. Who took the pictures? Okay. And how do I know these are the actual pictures that were taken on Mars? How do I know these are actual pictures that were taken on the moon? You know, for years, there was a sound stage on the Disney lot that was surrounded by armed guards, and nobody was allowed to go inside that sound stage. Hmm. Because in there, they had a huge reproduction of the moon. Hmm. But yet, Disney never made any time during any of that, any picture about the moon. Did he? Nope. And like you stated before, they met, what, in 1958 and had a discussion? Right. I have the proceedings from those meetings, top secret meetings that occurred over a year's period of time. We have them in our library here. And at every meeting, people from Walt Disney Studios attended. Now, we know from the Lunar Orbiter 4 photographs that were taken of the moon that the Lunar Orbiter 4 did not have any optics on board that were capable of resolving anything smaller than one mile. Yet, in the photographs taken by Lunar Orbiter 4, which you can get from NASA, you can see anomalous material on the moon that, because of the resolution, the camera must be miles in size, including buildings with as many as 40 or 50 perfect right angles in the walls and in the construction. Right angle doesn't occur in nature, not even once. Hmm. Well, there's another story floating around out there about... Well, do you get the significance of what I'm telling you? What I'm telling you is somebody doctored those photographs. Those photographs were not taken by Lunar Orbiter 4 unless there's giants on the moon who live in homes that are five miles wide and ten miles long. Do you understand what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Well, that's real interesting. And, you know, I appreciate all the information. And I've studied this. And at one time, I'd actually thought I did see a UFO. And I was younger at the time. And it was a silver. It looked like a big, giant silver pinball is the best way I could describe it. And within a matter of seconds, it disappeared. And I read Project Blue Book. And they described round objects of that description that they could... Actually, they were balloons, that the Air Force balloons, and that they had no strings and they were silent. And they would virtually not move if the wind was just right. And they would just sit there. And then because of the gases inside of them, they would explode instantly. That way, thinking that what you saw was a UFO and it vanished instantly. And that was all Project Blue Book. But that book, A Bug Top Secret, it has a lot of information, especially the pilot in 1947 that said he saw from a bomber the UFOs. This is wasting time just to rehash sightings. There is no question that these crafts exist. No question at all. To go around and catalog sightings is the most useless thing in the world. To sit down and talk about sightings is the most useless thing in the world. The goal now is who do they belong to and what's their agenda? And why are they hiding all this stuff? That's true. Well, I hope we can get the message out. And I know who they are. Me too. I'm waiting for them to come out and show themselves for what they are. Do you know what the... Well, you don't want to get off the subject, but what is the Order of the Black Raven in Freemasonic terms? Never heard of it. Well, it was in a book by Edward White, the Encyclopedia on Freemasonism, Volumes 1 and 2. I never heard of it. But through the years, they've had thousands of different orders to get into all these different... And a lot of them have disappeared, don't exist anymore. Right. And some of them are super secret, and they will not even admit that they exist. For instance, they say there's no degrees beyond the 33rd, and that's not true. But there are. Oh, it goes all the way up to hundreds. But they were saying that it was part of the Antichrist Freemasonism. Well, we're way off the subject. Let's do that another night. Okay. Well, thank you, Bill. I appreciate it. Keep up the good work. Thank you for calling. Bye-bye. Okay, folks. One of the first things that happened to me is I got a computer because I was trying to digest a lot of information I'm talking about back in 1988. And I began doing what I just told you is a waste of time. I began cataloging all this information from UFO research and trying to remember what I had seen in these documents so that I could write it down accurately. And, you know, over that period of years, you don't always succeed in being so accurate. But anyway, I was contacted by a lot of people, one of whom was Stanton T. Friedman, who called me on the telephone and wanted to talk to me. And we talked, and he sent me his curriculum by time, a big stack of information and all this kind of stuff. And he wanted to know where I lived. He's the only one who I told where I lived and not too long, and also where I worked. Not too long after that, people from the Defense Investigative Service came in and confiscated all of my computer disks. They didn't take the computer because it didn't have a hard disk in it, but they took all my floppies. And asked me a lot of questions and searched the house. And later, a man by the name of Jamie Chandrare showed up sneaking around the college where I was the executive director. And it turned out that he had had a talk with the owners, the board and the owners of the college. And pretty soon I found myself in a position where I had to resign or the college was going to lose its federal aid. And so I left. Jamie Chandrare at that time didn't realize that I knew who he was. I recognized him. He was trying to play the sleuth. But Jamie Chandrare was part of a team called Moore, Chandrare, and Friedman, who released these phony documents called the Majestic 12 documents, or the MJ-12 documents. And I told everybody that I'd seen the name of William Moore and Stanton Friedman in documents with naval intelligence. And these people were working for the intelligence community. Nobody would believe me. A man down in Phoenix who ran a bulletin board service called Paranet kicked me off his bulletin board. His name was Jim Spizer. And said, if William Moore turned out to be an agent, that he would kiss my you-know-what. Well, William Moore did turn out to be an agent by his own confession. But Jim Spizer, not being a man of his word, never did kiss anything. But he sort of has disappeared since then. And I had a habit of calling in to CompuServe every once in a while and getting on the Issues Forum, where they had a paranormal board where people would meet, like on the weekends, and discuss things like this. And one of the people who was on there was a guy by the name of Don Ecker. Later, I realized, I came to know, that his name was Donald Francis Ecker III. And he lived up in Idaho, and he began calling me at home. And we had a few conversations. I never did know him, never did meet him, never got to be friends. Then they had the MUFON convention in Las Vegas. And John Lear invited me to speak, and he also invited Don Ecker to speak. So we all showed up there. And Don Ecker gave this unbelievable, I told about the documents that I'd seen in naval intelligence and what I thought it all meant. And remember, at that time, I believed that this stuff was true. And Don Ecker gave up and got up and gave a big talk about aliens mutilating human beings and stealing bodies from mortuaries and all of these kinds of things. Later, he left Boise, Idaho, and went to California to become, quote, the research director of UFO Magazine, end quote. And worked for Vicki Cooper, whom we'll talk about in a couple of minutes. So don't go away. I'm going to tell you who Don Ecker is and who Vicki Cooper is and why you guys are being scammed by these people. Let's go. Thank you. Yes, just a quick question. I'm calling from near Carazozo, New Mexico. Yes. Last night I thought I heard someone say, have you been to Carazozo lately? Did I hear it right or is that somewhere else? Yes, you did. Oh, well then what's exciting going on here? Well, I'm not going to get into that because we covered that on another show and it's not going on there now anyway. Oh, okay. It's all over. You missed it. Okay. You want to talk about the right subject? Well, I won't take up any more time. I assume this was covered on a tape. Yes. Yes. Okay, thank you much. You're welcome. Okay, so anyway, Donald Francis Ecker, all of a sudden, took a different tack and wrote, I think, two articles full of the most vicious lies I've ever seen printed in my life about me for no reason. and I'd never done anything to him at all. And so I began investigating him and Vicki Cooper and I'd heard from a man by the name of Martin Cannon when I lived in California that Vicki Cooper was working for the CIA and was a government agent and I just sloughed it off. I didn't pay any attention to it but he wrote a letter to a friend of mine named Tao and I put that eventually in the appendix of my book which confirms what I just told you he wrote the letter and it makes all these accusations against Vicki Cooper so I began looking into who Vicki Cooper was. What I found out was incredible. Don Ecker has told the world and he is the one that people go to for this expert advice on UFOs. He's told the world that he was a police investigator criminal investigator in the state of Idaho and in about eight other police departments across the country. Now, he never would tell anybody just exactly which police departments he worked for just within the state of Idaho and several police departments across the country. He eventually got a radio show on satellite and I called him one night when he was telling people that they needed to do research into who they were listening to and find out who they were so I called up and said, gee, Don, you're telling us to investigate everybody that we listen to but, you know, you haven't told us anything about yourself. You said you're a criminal investigator and you've been a police officer. What police departments did you work for? And he rattled off about eight and then he said, oh, this is Cooper and he shut me off the phone real quick and then he wouldn't say anything else and never did reveal anymore. But he gave us enough and we have it on tape to go on and we've called and written to every one of those police departments and Don Lecker has never worked for any police department in the United States, period. Never. Not as a police officer and not as a criminal investigator. He did, at one time, work for the Canyon County, Idaho, Sheriff's Department for a period of six weeks as a narc deputy trainee, a narcotics deputy trainee. He was fired after that six-week period because he was doing things that sheriff's deputies are not supposed to do and I won't go into that because it's not my intent to crucify the man just to reveal to you that you're being scammed. The only law enforcement career that Donald Francis Hecker ever had was he was the lowest-ranked prison guard at the Idaho State Prison where he worked as a prison guard. He had to leave the Idaho State Prison when during a training exercise he accidentally shot his leg off with a 12-gauge shotgun. This is the expert that Larry King calls to be on the Larry King show when he talks about UFOs and other people. Larry King has never investigated Don Ecker or would never have attached his name to this scam artist. So, the next time you see him on television purporting to be having had a career a long career in criminal investigation a long career as a police officer on police forces across the United States just remember that he was the lowest-ranked prison guard never received a promotion who shot his own leg off with a 12-gauge shotgun during a training exercise was fired from the Canyon County Sheriff's Office after working there for six weeks for cause when he was a narcotics deputy trainee. We then began to look into why he left the state of Idaho and folks he left the state of Idaho because there were two warrants out for his arrest. I'm not going to tell you what the warrants are for we know but like I said in my estimation a man is not guilty until he's proven guilty in a court of law. But he did flee from the state of Idaho which tends to indicate a certain degree of either guilt or a lot of fear of being found guilty. One of the two. And he has stayed out in California and sent for ventures off to speak at UFO conventions and things ever since. Well when we found this out about Donald Francis Ecker and we began looking into the identity of Vicki Cooper what we found was even stranger than you can even imagine but we'll go to the phone because somebody's holding they've been holding for a while and then we'll get back into the story. Good evening. You're on the air. Hello Bill. Yes. Hello Bill. It's good to talk to you and I've been enjoying the last two nights' programs and very fascinating to say the least. Last night you were mentioning something I found interesting that Orson Welles was related to H.G. Wells. I'm fairly positive about that. As far as we can tell. They're not close relatives but they are relatives and they also belong to the same secret society group too. Both of them? Yes. Mason? Yes. Oh is that right? Yes. Is that right? Didn't H.G. Wells write War of the Worlds which was also made into a movie? I don't know if he wrote it or not. I think he's attributed to having written it. He was responsible for the airing of War of the Worlds on the Mercury Theater. Orson was? Yes. Oh yeah, right. I know about that. That caused quite a bit of panic. But that's just a fascinating item. Also, are you aware of a film that came out just about 10 years ago with some fairly big names in it called Capricorn One? Yes. About a staged fake moon Mars landing? Yeah. Yeah. Bill, have you ever heard any rumors to any degree that the 1969 moon landing may have been staged? Have you ever heard anything at all about that? Well, from our research it's not a rumor it's a fact. Because I've got a real question. Now let me explain to you what I'm telling you. Okay. Whether we went to the moon or not I don't really know. Uh-huh. But what we were shown on television and what NASA gives us as official photographs of the landing on the moon and the astronauts on the moon and the things that they did did not occur on the moon. Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. You know, I've... I can also tell you that all of the original astronauts were Freemasons and all of the Apollo astronauts were Freemasons and that comes directly from the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington, D.C. They've also had... They've also wed rather strange wives after this so-called landing, haven't they? Yes. A lot of New Age stuff. A lot of them went into politics and are pushing us into the New World Order. And if you go into the Council of the 33rd Degree in Washington, D.C., you'll see a case there with photographs of the astronauts on the moon and one of them is holding a Masonic apron in front of his space suit. And you said, just that God. Yeah, you didn't see that on television, did you? Thank God. Well, you know, I have a friend in Hollywood who's been a cameraman for 30 years and I've heard from him what I always thought was a rumor concerning this Disney soundstage that supposedly is behind... It's no rumor. Well, yeah, but I had nothing to go by until I heard it from you. And, you know, I've also heard funny things about Walt Disney even going back these World War II records. Have you ever heard anything like that? Yeah, but we're not on that subject. That's true. Well, keep it up, Bill. I mean, this is truly fascinating and enlightening. Yeah. The truth to what may or may not have happened on the moon lies in the photographs. The truth about the anomalous material that's on the moon and Mars lies in the photographs. It also lies where the photographs come from and the stuff that Hoagland's putting out about this sacred geometry that matches the geometry of the pyramids in Egypt is absolutely incredible. It's all the Pythagorean geometry from the mystery schools. And what's really bad about this is the sheeple can't check any of this out. They don't know anything about photography, so they can't check the photographs out. They don't know anything about how to get to Mars or to the moon, so they can't go up there and see if that stuff is really there. They've been taught all their life to believe what they're told. You see, if they can't prove that extraterrestrials exist, if they can prove to us or make us believe that extraterrestrials have built things on the moon and Mars, that's just the same as extraterrestrials exist, which means we've got to have a one world government. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I think you're hitting the nail right on the head, Bill. But Bill, you know, when Kennedy made that speech in 61 or 62 that we were going to go to the moon, was he sincere? I mean, did he actually believe that it could be pulled off in eight or nine or ten years or was he part of the dupe also? I don't know. Kennedy's the only one he knows and he's sleeping under an internal flame. Yeah. It's a symbol of the ones that killed him. Well, you know, you know, Walter Cronkite and CBS and all of them must all be in on it because they... No, no, no, no, no. That's true. No, no, no, no, no. Walter Cronkite and all of these people that you see giving you the news at night, they don't have a brain. They sit there and they read script off a teleprompter and they smile and they look pretty and they do it convincing and the public believes them and that's why they're paid two million dollars a year. And even if they did have a brain and even if they could think and even if they wanted to tell you the truth, they wouldn't because they'd lose that two million dollars a year. It's... This is truly sad stuff. It really is. It is. The next time you watch them, they're not thinking the stuff that they're telling you, they're reading it off a teleprompter and if you watch their eyes, you can see it. Bill, I once heard about a year ago a statistic that CBS paid Dan Rather more than the BBC paid their entire staff, their entire army of reporters in the field. Well, I don't know if that's true or not, but it certainly sounds like something that they would do. That's how you control people. That's how they bought most of the people in this country. See, most people in this country who are elderly are being supported by the government or a government retirement check or a military retirement check. They can't go against the government. They can't say anything. It's like my dad. He made me so mad I won't even talk to him anymore. I'm just so angry at him as far as I'm concerned. He can go fish. He told me right to my face. He said, I've known about this all my life, but I can't help you because this Air Force retirement check is the only money your mother and I get. Yeah, well, I suppose you could multiply that by a few million, too. Well, what he told me he was lying all his life. He was a hypocrite and a liar. He told me he was in the Air Force to protect and defend the country and the Constitution. And when he told me that about his retirement checks, what he was really telling me is that he had lied to me all his life. He's a miserable hypocrite. Oh, he's not the only one, that's for sure. No, he's not. There's a lot of them, but they're going to be real sorry when they're in the chains of slavery under socialism. They're going to wish they'd thrown those retirement checks in the toilet and flushed it. I've got to get back to the subject. Thanks a lot, Bill. You're welcome. Bye-bye. Okay, back to the story. We began researching Vicki Cooper and what we found out was incredible. We found out when she first came to Los Angeles to start UFO Magazine, she didn't like UFOs, didn't know anything about UFOs, didn't want to have a magazine of UFOs, and made no bones about it. Everybody who knew her then said that she just didn't understand what all the to-do was about UFOs, and she didn't know anything about UFOs, and she felt that the whole thing was government-controlled anyway. Nevertheless, she opened a magazine called UFO Magazine. It's a very small magazine, very small subscription base, maybe about 5,000 or 6,000 subscribers, and so most people in the country never heard of it, never read it, don't know anything about it. But nevertheless, it holds a lot of sway and a lot of weight in the so-called UFO research community, if you want to call it that. They really don't do much research, and they certainly don't look at all sides. They're not objective at all. And she holds a certain degree of control with this publication of UFO Magazine. What I found out about Vicki Cooper was astounding. I found out that her uncle was the lawyer who defended Sirhan Sirhan and has solid ties to the Johnny Roselli mafia gang, and that there are people who know these people make all kinds of insinuations and tell all kinds of stories, which I'm not going to repeat here because I never investigated any of those stories. I don't know if they're true or not, so I don't get into speculation. But we know there's that connection. We know that before Vicki Cooper came to Los Angeles, she was, in fact, an employee of Sidney Biddle Barrels. Now, if you don't know who Sidney Biddle Barrels is, let me enlighten you. She was also known as the Mayflower Madam, the blue-blood prostitute, who ran a ring of prostitutes for big-money politicians and foreign dignitaries and rich people who came to visit Washington, D.C. and the East Coast. Vicki Cooper was one of her employees. Well, when they busted this prostitute ring, they got Vicki Cooper and they threatened her with life imprisonment and every kind of despicable thing that you can think of, so Vicki Cooper sang as she squealed on Sidney Biddle Barrels and all of her friends and fellow workers, and she was the state's witness that put Sidney Biddle Barrels behind bars for a lot of years, and if you'll remember, she just got out not too long ago and wrote a book. Now, we know that after she turned state witness, she had to leave that area. We know that somebody, we don't know who, gave her some money because she didn't have any money and sent her to Los Angeles. When she got to Los Angeles, she didn't know anybody in Los Angeles, but a man by the name of Barry Taft met her, picked her up. He had already purchased or not purchased, but rented an apartment for her, and his apartment was directly either above or below. I forget which. I have to look at my notes, but his apartment was either directly above or directly below hers. Now, this sounds innocent enough, but she didn't know anybody in Los Angeles, so who sent this guy to meet her? It gets even more interesting, folks. It seems that Barry Taft had worked for Louis Jollyon West of the Neuropsychiatric Institute of the University of Southern California Los Angeles, and he had participated with Jollyon West in many of the clandestine Central Intelligence Agency and Office of Naval Intelligence and Army Intelligence G2 mind control programs. Isn't that interesting? And I also have a friend who had some information on UFOs, and Vicki Cooper visited him at his home. As she was leaving, she told him that UFO magazine was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency. He wasn't the only one who heard that. There were two people there when she made this disclosure. So, those are just two of the people involved heavily in disseminating all of this bullshit information on UFOs to an unsuspecting and very gullible sheeple public who don't question anything, don't look into anyone's background, don't seem to care if they're being sheared and led to the slaughter. Good evening, you're on the air. Hello, Val? Yes? Oh, I just wanted to mention that I recently read a book called The Myth of Repressed Memory, False Memory, and Allegations of Sexual Abuse. And in that, Dr. Elizabeth Laustis, it's a rather new book, mentions how these psychiatrists are in case after case are creating people Implanting these stories in their minds. Inventing the story of the being abducted and being treated by these space aliens, as well as creating false memories of sexual abuse. Mm-hmm. And she had case after case of that, and they're doing it through a combination of hypnotism and also the techniques they used in the Mind Control Ultra Program. Mm-hmm. And so these people are actually, they believe that they've been abducted by aliens. Oh, yes. I've interviewed many of them. Or real to them. I've interviewed many of them. They believe it with all their heart. They believe that what they think they saw and what they heard was a real experience and that they were really abducted with aliens. They were really subjected to all kinds of sexual abuse, if you want to call it that. Well, again, it ties into the same way they do the serial killer thing, the same way they do the sexual abuse thing, and the same way they do the alien thing. Yes. There's one thing the government is good at. It's scamming. Yep. They just do an excellent job of scamming. Absolutely. Okay, well, thank you, Bill. Thank you for calling. Bye. There are a lot of interesting characters and scouts in this UFO thing who write books and claim to be scientific investigators. One of the biggest, Jacques Vallée, has written several books. If you read all of his books in a row, you'll be more confused than you were if you'd never touched any of his books. And maybe that's what he's trying to do, confuse everybody. He claims to be the only person really conducting a scientific investigation, yet none of his methods are scientific. In fact, there's no one who is conducting any kind of a scientific investigation whatsoever. There was a woman who wanted to look into the abduction phenomena, and she began a series of conferences called the treat conferences. I'm not going to tell you who she is, because I think she's a victim in all of this myself. And she got all of these luminaries from the UFO community and the scientific community to come to these treat conferences where she proposed that they conduct a real scientific investigation into what was happening with these abductees and stop this namby-pamby baloney pretend investigations that were going on. Well, immediately, there was a hue and cry from all of these so-called UFO scientists because they thought she was attacking them. Well, she wasn't. She didn't really know too much about them except that they weren't using scientific methods. In fact, nobody had investigated this phenomenon using any kind of real science and no objectivity whatsoever. Now, the strangest thing happened not long after that. a general from the United States Army G2 intelligence who had retired showed up. He had a specialization in mind control operations and specifically in remote viewing techniques. That's where you get somebody in a room and they close their eyes, go in a trance, and tell you where the enemy is and how many rifles they have and how many tanks they have and how many bullets they have and all that kind of stuff. By supposedly astral projection of the soul. out of body. And he wooed this woman and the next thing you know they were married and the only thing that's come out of her mouth since then has been new age, over the hill, garbage crap. And she has made no attempt and neither has anyone else to do a real scientific investigation into this UFO abduction thing. I didn't mention their names because I don't want to hurt these people. I don't think that she is a willing participant in this, although I think the man who married her is and I think he married her to keep her from pursuing that scientific investigation thing, although nobody could ever prove that. But I think it is absolutely incredible that at a time when the only woman in the world, the only person in the world was calling for a real scientific investigation into the alien abduction phenomena. A general, no less, a retired general who had worked in Army Intelligence on mind control operations, showed up, swept her off her feet, married her, and the only thing you hear out of her mouth now is senseless babble. Incredible, you say? I say, folks, you ain't heard nothing yet, because I know so much about these people and so much about what's going on in this phenomenon, that if I were ever to tell it all, you'd probably hang them all from a lamppost. And maybe that's what ought to be done, but it's not for me to decide that. I think everybody's entitled to trial by jury of their peers, and I've just recently been told that that's the wrong thing to say, and I'm looking into that, whoever wrote me that letter. So, don't forget, folks, beginning, and I'll tell you all the frequencies and all the satellites tomorrow night, beginning Monday, October the 31st, we will be broadcasting three times a night on two different satellites, and four times a night on three different frequencies, one of which is the frequency you're listening to right now at the same time you're listening to it right now. another one is 7.315, 7.315 megahertz, and if you tune over there tonight on the east coast or wherever you're at and see how that sounds, you might find it sounds a little better than what you're listening to here. And another frequency out of Hawaii, which I don't know yet. Also will be on Galaxy 3 channel 17, 5.8 megahertz wideband audio, and another satellite which I will tell you about tomorrow night. So tomorrow night we're going to talk about this same subject again. We're going to keep talking about it for a little while because I'm tired of getting phone calls and letters asking me why I don't talk about this stuff. I don't talk about it because in first place most people won't get off their butts to go check into this stuff. So if they don't believe what I say they never have any method of finding out whether it's true or false. And I think most people really have made up their own minds already and already know what they want to believe. They don't care what the facts are. So I really don't know why I'm doing this but I should have learned my lesson a long time ago. But we'll talk about it again tomorrow night and then we're not going to touch it with a 10-foot pole for a while because I get sick of it to tell you the truth. This is the biggest indicator of the sheeple factor in the country. 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