This is my daddy's station. I'm Pooh, plastic radio like you always wished it could be, 101.1 FM, eager. 101.1 FM is owned and operated by the Independent Foundation Trust as a non-profit community service. This is the Voice of Freedom. The Voice of Freedom. The Voice of Freedom. The Voice of Freedom. The Voice of Freedom. This is the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Ladies and gentlemen, if you love dogs, you're going to love this broadcast and tomorrow's broadcast because it's all about dogs, protection dogs. At our conference on Day 5, the entire morning was spent with Pete and Susie Sherlow, who are the owners of Apache Canine in the White Mountains. And what they taught us and what they demonstrated to us with their dogs and my dog, Crusher, is that you may be a lot safer and a lot happier with a dog than with a pistol. And you may be able to deter an awful lot of attempts to rob you or rob your property or to harm you or your family with a dog than you ever could with any other means because just the presence of a well-trained protection dog will deter most criminals. They don't want to mess with that dog. I'm talking about big dogs. I'm talking about dogs that are well-trained, that don't run out and bite people. They won't bite unless they're told to bite or unless there is an immediate threat to those that they have been trained to protect. So listen carefully. You might want to jot down this number. It's Peter Sherlaw's number. You can either talk to Peter or his wife, Susie. 520-521-5886. That's 520-521-5886. They're good people. If you have a dog question, they might be able to help you. If you're thinking about buying a family protection dog or a well-trained attack dog, you might want to talk to Peter or Susie Sherlaw first. It may save you a lot of heartache and grief. And if you listen to this broadcast, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Day 5, 9 a.m., Peter Sherlaw. Conference 97. I'm kind of new to a lot of this stuff, and I really want to thank you for the opportunity to participate in your convention. I've never been around anything quite like this before. So, what our specialty is, is that we believe in freedom. Okay? And the freedom that I'm concerned about and that I'm really worried about, it's not the philosophical context of freedom, although that's really important. My idea of freedom is to allow my wife to go to the grocery store without getting a house to buy some ducks. That's freedom. I want freedom in my house, that my house is not going to be invaded by some dope-smoking duck, man, who thinks my TV is another town for dope. You know, I just don't want that. You know, I want to be free to go where I want to go, to do what I want to do, not bother anybody, but at the same time, not be bothered. And we found that a lot of people, myself and so, I'm not real comfortable carrying a gun every place I go. My wife is certainly not comfortable with that. I mean, it weighs about two pounds, and it's kind of cumbersome, and, you know, it makes the cops real nervous, too. You know, so, so, I don't, you know, I don't want to look for trouble, but I don't want to be bothered. So, we found that protection dogs, family protection dogs, right, is a great alternative to firearms and personal violence. You know, a bad guy, the reason they're bad guys, we found that the reason that bad guys are bad guys, right, is because they're lazy. I mean, if they weren't lazy, they would go get a good job, go get a good job, they wouldn't have to steal, but you're lazy, right, so, our idea, as he, it seems to work out so far, is that if you present certain problems to a bad guy, out of his own human nature of being lazy, man, he'll go somewhere else, which I can't stop him from doing that, but I'm darn sure interested in, in not having to deal with me, right, so I, I got a dog. Now, you want to deal with me on a violent level, you're going to have to deal with your dog, and then that's real odd, you know, even if the dog wasn't trained, if you're walking down the street with a German Shepard, or a Rottweiler, or any large, any large dog, and, and there's a thug out there looking to make a few bucks, he's probably going to go pick somebody else, he's just, he just don't want to be, you know, he's too lazy to deal with the dog, right, and we count on that. what we found is, is that a dog will deter 80% of any problems that you might normally have to come your way. It's at least 20% of the people, man, that, that will deal with the dog, and, and, and the, the, the first 10% of those people, man, are people that just don't believe that, that you can train the dog, uh, to protect you, and they'll, they'll check them out, and, and, and you give the dog a command, the dog goes to the end, and at least barks a couple times, barks a couple times, and, uh, the bad guy runs out the street, you know, so, you know, the other 10%, man, are people that are the influence of alcohol, which is a mind-altering drug, or narcotics, which also is a mind-altering drug, it really affects your judgment, and, and, and, and psychotics, and God knows, man, out here today, we've got an awful lot of those people, running around, and, and, and so what they'll do, is they'll go up against the dog, after the dog is barking at them aggressively, they will continue on, in, in, in, in the hopes that they could, uh, get past the dog, right, at that point, you need a dog that's not just gonna, nip at, at, at his leg, and, and, and scoot back and forth, you know what I mean, because that ain't gonna stop this guy, right, you need what we call, in the professional therapy world, we call, a man stopper, if you gotta put the dog on somebody, it's like you're shooting somebody, if I'm gonna, if I'm gonna shoot a bad guy, a BB gun ain't gonna do me much good, right, I want a .357 hollow point, that's gonna knock him down, and keep him down, and, and that, that's the way I want the dog to do it, if I gotta put the dog on somebody, I want a man stopper, I want to stop the aggression, I want to change this guy's mind, and if I can, I want to rehabilitate him, immediately, that you'll never do that kind of stuff again, right, you know, and, and these dogs do that, there are, uh, certain types of dogs, that are more, prone, for this kind of, uh, uh, training, than others, there's, there's Rottweilers, that, that are excellent dogs, uh, uh, Dobermans, German Shepherds, uh, there, there's some exotic breeds, uh, like, uh, Boutiers, which are the big black, curly looking things, man, they're just wonderful dogs, right, and, and, and, and there's four or five breeds, that are really good boxes, you can use, right, but what you have to understand, is that if someone, if a family is looking for a protection dog, even though he picks out a breed, that will fit into his lifestyle, there's one, the National Irish, is one in 10,000 dogs, that will take to the training, it's a lot, it's a lot like being an airport ranger, in the service, you know, there's a lot of guys in the army, a few of them, get, get to be airport, and a few of them, get to be airport ranger, and a few of them, get to be, airport ranger, special forces qualified, and it's to take away the dogs, this dog, in that context, is an airport ranger, special forces qualified, you see, sure of yourself, one in 10,000 dogs, with the right trainer, and the right training methods, will qualify, they're hard, hard, hard, get a hold of them, so, since this is the 4th of July, and it's your hour, or two, or whatever, however long it's going to go, those, what I figured, that I would like to do, is I would like to open up the floor, to find out, what it is, that you folks, would like to know, about dogs in general, that I know, maybe, and, and, and training dogs, and, and stuff like that, I need to know, what you guys want to know, so, so I could, I feel that I could be helpful, so what we're going to do, is we're going to open the floor, and, and, and, and, just find out, what it is you guys really want to know, about these things, do you have a strange dog, the same way, is it just a family, in that home, could it be like, the expenses, and I think, my grandchildren, that don't listen to me, my daughter, that doesn't listen to me, the study asks, if you have a protection dog, is it applicable, to be used, also for the extended family, grandma's rank is, and stuff like that, absolutely, absolutely, the dog works on commands, the dog does not make a judgment call, the dog does not decide, when to attack, and who to attack, you decide that, so if you walk down the street, with your grandchildren, and a boot man, jumps out of the bushes on you, right, you just tell the dog, to attack, and he does, your grandchildren are there, or whatever, if you train, your grandchildren, your mother-in-law, or your grandmother, to handle, this dog, what the commands are, when he is, and stuff like that, the dog will work, as well, this is my personal dog, Paul, and he will work for you, in fact, he will work for you, against me, because the dog, works out of command, the dog doesn't, the dog doesn't, right, but will just, you need to pieces, if you tell him to, if you've got the leash, and you know, how to work this dog, the dog will, the dog will buy me, it's a case of guns, right, gun doesn't care, a full skirt, the same way with gun, the dog, would be safe, around the end, the children, the children, absolutely, that, that's part of the weeding out process, there are a lot of dogs, there are a lot of dogs, that are biting, you know, there's a lot of beer bites, out there, you know, right, and so, we test the dog, extensively, before we accept it for training, and one of the things, that we look at, is temperament, and, and we will not, because it's not our sole, vocation, we have the ability, to be very, very, very, very careful, and juicy, about the dogs, that we train, we turn more dogs away, than we accept for training, simply because we have, temperament problems, courage problems, or drive problems, you know, you can come to me, with $10,000, and a mean dog, and say, train my dog, and I'll tell you no, I don't need your money, you know, because I know, that if I train that dog, and you've got a bad temperament, sure, later, man, there's some kid, going to get bit, and, and, I don't want to be responsible, for that, so, I try to be, a responsible dog trainer, is anybody, thinking about buying a dog, for personal protection, are you, are you, do you know, what kind of dog you want, I don't know, you know, a shepherd, probably, a shepherd, do you live in a rural environment, or an urban environment, very urban, very urban, what you need to think about, is, is the environment, that, that this specific dog, is going to live in, right, in, in choosing a greedy dog, some dogs, really, really need, a lot of exercise, and, Rottweilers, for instance, if, if, if a Rottweiler, doesn't get to run, and work, and exercise, he's going to get fat, and lazy, it's a breed thing, and, and, God knows, I've seen a thousand of them, you know, somebody said, I've got a Rottweiler, and some cheese, I've got a shit, and then you look at it, and, and it's just a tub of guts, you know, you're a big, you're a big, you're a big, you're a big, that only looks like a Rottweiler, you know, you know, so, when, when you're thinking about buying a dog, look at your environment, you know, what dog, what dog will fit, in a limited exercise environment, you know, and, and still do, and still do what you want them to do, you know, you need a low energy dog, you know, if you buy, like an Australian shepherd, right, wait, because the dog can't exercise and run, and, and do all this stuff, what you're going to wind up with, is a highly neurotic dog, because the physicists can't, they can't get out and do its thing, so it's going to, do its thing in the living room, you know what I mean, and, and, and pretty sure it goes to the ground, you know, well, I would suggest, I would consider a pit bull, you know, for instance, that gets a dirty word these days, you know, because of irresponsible breeding, let me, let me assure you that, there's nothing wrong with pit bulls, they're very friendly, they're very good dogs, they're a little dog aggressive, you know, but they don't require a lot of exercise, and if you have a responsible breeder, and, and, and not a puppy mill, somebody just spitting puppies out, and if you're, bucks, can't crop, you know, if you have a responsible breeder, and get a good, and get a good one, right, they're wonderful dogs, they're wonderful dogs, they don't need a whole lot of exercise, you know, it's, it's real, nice, hang around the park, and that's fun, you know, something like that, smaller dog, that, that's, that's really a low, a low kind of energy dog, right, I wouldn't get a doner, right, or, I might consider a German shepherd, but, but, you know, if you're living in close quarters, an apartment or something, you know, this is, it'd be kind of hard to have a dog, you kind of have to watch out for hip dysplasia, with the German shepherd, because the dog can't exercise properly, you know, so it has a tendency to, for his hips to go down, even, even if you got a good one, right, you know, so get a smaller breed, there's, there's a lot of smaller breeds, that, that have low energy, that have the courage required, to do what you want to do, basically, it, it seems to me that, that what you want to do is, you want to be able to go to a safe way, and then feel safe, you know, and one of the things that really, really bothers me, is that, I'm 58 years old now, right, I never, I never really thought I could get this old, I didn't plan for it, you know what I mean, but, you know, I'm too old to fight anymore, you know, I mean, you know, I get a couple of thugs, man, jump on me, you know, I run out of gas real quick, man, you know, right, and I used to think I was pretty good, but, you know, I'm getting too old for that anymore, you know, I'm really upset about the fact that, that women, and older people in general, have become the victims in this culture, you know, and we all know that the justice system is broke down, I mean, it's just absolutely frustrating, call a cop, why, you want to buy a cup of coffee, you know, what are you talking about, you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about, it's like you got to handle it yourselves, you know what I mean, you got to handle it or something, and it really bothers me, I, I, you know, I'm for freedom, man, you know, I've worked and paid my taxes and done my thing, you know, and, and I don't want to be restricted, you know, I want to go where I want to go, I want to do where I want to do, and I don't want to be bothered, you know, I just want to be, I just want to be at peace with myself, and with my God, and with my fellow man, that's all I want, you know, I just want to live out the remainder of my life, without a lot of nonsense going on, and that's hard to do these days, any more questions? Is it better to have a pure-free dog, or say for instance, if you went to the Humane Society, and you picked up the dog, if you were a man, is it harder to train the dog? The lady asked if, if she went to the Humane Society, and then got a dog, is it a harder job to train the dog? Generally speaking, she's got some general point of view, no, it's not harder to train the dog, right, but it's like, it's like going to a used car lot, you know, and, and buying somebody else's problem. But if it's a mixed-free, there's nothing wrong with mixed-free, nothing, nothing wrong with mixed-free, some of the best dogs in the world are mixed-free, you know, there's nothing wrong. The reason that, that, that most of us choose, what we call pure-breds, right, is, is, is that they have certain characteristics, that, that we try to mold, to our own use. With mixed-free, you're not quite sure what you get, you know what I mean, what the characteristics are, what the gene pool really is. We depend heavily, uh, on a gene pool. You know, if the dog has, has aggressive genes, then we want, we want to bring those out. You know, and if I don't know, if I don't know a dog's background, I, I don't know if it has, if it has aggressive genes, or, or submissive genes, or, you know, much about it. You know, I have to, I have to deal with, you know, you know, I got what I see, and I'm not sure what I see, you know. But generally speaking, there's nothing wrong with mixed-free dogs. Um, I always heard of the rule, that you go, you got a pup, okay, the pup comes to you, you'll get a nice and dog, and you'll talk your back to you. Is there a chance to get a rule? I'll give you an example. Okay, you go, you see somebody, you see some puss, okay, and you go over there, and you just find a puss there. The one that comes close to you, is there a chance to get a number? Is there a chance to get? Uh, yes and no. Yes and no. You know, I mean, it's one of the things, uh, there could be several things going on, right? You know, it could be that the pup is hungry. It could be that the pup is just curious. You know? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things going on there. You know? Uh, the pup, the pup that comes closest to you, you know, when you're looking at puss, right? Uh, generally speaking, uh, has a certain amount of courage, because, because you're a, uh, a stranger there, right? And, and, and, uh, that, that, that's a plus. You know, a pup that, that sees you and runs in the backyard, you know what I mean? You certainly don't want it, right? But, you can, there, there's a lot of theories about choosing puss, right? And, and, and, and there's, there's all kinds of, of, of puppy tests that you can give a puppy to try to, to try to pick a puppy. But I've been doing this for 35 years, and, my experience tells me, that for the most part, it's a gratitude. You know, puppies change, so dramatically, from day to day, from week to week, that you can have, what you consider a really aggressive pup, this week, and next week, is incredibly shy. You know, I mean, so, what's really required here, when you get a pup, is the imprint process. You know, if, if you know that the dog's, genetic lineage, is one of a working family, of dogs, right? Well, what you try to do, is you try to excite that, in a dog, in a puppy. And, that's called imprint. Like, for instance, right? Most people, most people get a puppy, and, and they're petting the puppy, they're planting the puppy, and the puppy bites them, right? You know what they do? No. What do you tell the dog? Say, that's not cool. No biting. Right? So, then they bring the dog to you, a year later, and say, I want my dog to be trained as a protection dog. The dog won't bite. Why? Because it's been imprinted, not to do that. So, you can't do that. So, when you, when you go to buy a protection dog, man, you need to buy from somebody, you understand it's about imprinting. How to take a dog, and, and let him know, that it's okay to bite, to encourage that. Dogs react to stress, in two ways. Puppies. And they learn this at a very early age. One, is submission. You put stress on a puppy, and, and he's going to, he's going to run away, he's going to go into avoidance, distress stops, he's learned something. He's learned that if he, if he becomes submitted, distress goes away. All the dog is interested in doing, is relieving the stress. Does not care how it does it. If you allow that to happen, if you allow a dog, a puppy, to relieve stress through avoidance, that dog will always do that for the rest of his life. Anytime you put stress on a dog, the dog will go into avoidance. If you take the dog, and, and it puts stress on a puppy, and puts stress on it, and it goes into avoidance, and you continue, to add to stress, the dog will turn around, immediately, even as a puppy, will see that whatever it's doing, it ain't working. And we will turn around and go, ah, just a little bit, ah. At that point, you run away. You relieve the stress. The dog has learned an incredible thing, that it can relieve stress, through aggression. And then you work on that. You build that. That's called inquiry. Does that help you at all? What is the best age? Is it very time? It's too late. About 20 minutes after they come out of the oven. What temperature? She's had to start to cool off. We work with our dogs, right? As they come out of the oven, we're right there. And we begin the first phase of imprinting, that it recognizes my smell. Now, when a puppy's born, it can't see, it doesn't hear very well, right? But his nose is working over that. You know? And so, what we try to do, we try to intermingle human sense, with the mother's sense. So that the dog can relate to us, feel safe with us, with people. If you let a bitch have puppies, and don't go near the puppies, until they're eight weeks, and you finally show up, and want to handle one of the puppies, puppies are just going nuts, man. You know? I mean, you're just scared. Right? But if you imprint that, if you imprint your very first experiences, with your smell, and calmness, and you just kind of hold them, and touch them, and just be real, real, real gentle, and nurturing with them, then they'll intermingle, and be able to be social right away. You know? There's no such thing, as teaching an old dog, new church, man. That's an old wives' tale. So, you know, you can habituate a dog. I don't know if I can pronounce that right. But you can get a dog that's 10 years old to change his whole, his whole pattern of life by putting him in your environment. The dog will adapt to your environment. You know? You might not be able to get him to climb a tree, or bite somebody, or something, but he will adapt to your environment. No matter how old he is. Which means that, you know, you can't get a dog from town, and he will be adaptable to your environment. But he might not work. You know? But he'll... Dogs operate from pack law. Their survival depends on a pack. A dog is not an individual entity. It's not a solo entity. It's not like a worker. A dog... A dog needs other dogs. And it's pack-oriented. And for its own survival, a dog has to adapt to the demands of the pack. Whatever they are. And that's why a dog will go to any length to please you. It's not necessarily going to please you, right? But it wants to please the alpha... the alpha dog in the pack. And hopefully, that's you. You know? Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Dogs are incapable of love. They don't... They don't... They don't have that ability. What really happens is... I know people just go nuts when they do. Oh, my poof is in love. No. Just... That's your interpretation of it. I'm glad you're happy with it, but that's not really what's going on. You know? A dog will come up and lick you in the face. How many people have been licking the face by a dog? You think that's affection? The dog is trying to get you to throw up so it can eat. That's exactly what it's doing. You watch the wolf back. Watch the wolf back. Turn in the dash or two grab some time now. Watch the wolf back, right? Here comes the mother back from a hunting trip, right? And she comes into the can and all the puppies come out. And they all greet her and they're going like that and they're licking her in the face. And that's... The dog learns immediately and essentially that when you're licking at a dog in the face, man, you stimulate regurgitation and the dog shows up and the puppies get lunch. You know? So, that's what's going on. That dog don't love you. You know, you don't even taste... You don't even taste good. You know? You know? You know? It's probably hungry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What we like to do with protection dogs is... Most people, it's been our experience, that most people have never been around a protection dog at all. You know, the closest they've been around a protection dog is some monster in a movie, man, that's got six Dumbermans that denoured a guy in terrible insurance and they think, oh my God, you know, I don't think I want my head. Or they walk past a police guard one day and the German which ever keeps going to die, you know what I mean? It's just scaring out of everybody, man. And they think, oh God, that's a protection dog. That's not a protection dog, man. That's a police guy now. You know? And what you see in the movies about dogs, man, is generally, generally nonsense. You know? Thank you, Walt Disney. But it's mostly nonsense, man. It's got no basis in some facts at all. At all. So what we like to do is we like to familiarize people with a real, honest to God, protection dog. And this one here is probably the best protection dog in the state of Arizona. His temperament is fine. A little children come up and stick your fingers up his nose. You know, he bite his ears, man, crawl all over it, man, you know what I mean? A youth come up and approach me and talk to me and then interact with me on any level. He'd come over to my house any time, you know, and this is what he got. Right? You've got the same camera as a cop standing. You know what I mean? Just like here. You know, everything's cool. This dog is super aware. Okay? If somebody from the audience approached me in an aggressive manner, this dog would immediately alert. Immediately. If somebody's in my home, if I invite a sawing machine to something into my house, right, and he's sitting on my couch, and all of a sudden he turns out to be a burglar and a rapist or something, you know what I mean? And, and, and, he, he bites him, right? But, but he'll immediately come, come right into you and just bark real aggressively and then, and then I take charge as a handler and I say, don't move or your dog will bite you. And if you do move, guess what? You're going to get bit. You know? And what I'll do is I'll, I'll make you raise your hands and I'll search you in case you got a gun or a knife or a bomb or something, you know, right? I'll search you and I'll tell you, stand still, I'm going to go call the police. And if you move while I'm gone, this dog's going to take you down. And if I ain't here to call him down, you're in a lot of trouble. You're in a lot of trouble. We, yeah. You don't really need the police coming, man. You need a meat wagon at that point. God forbid that you should ever, you should ever have to put a dog on somebody. God forbid, man. It's like, it's like sticking your hand in a meat grinder, man. My dogs are guaranteed, absolutely guaranteed to deliver a hundred stitches a minute. That's what I call rehabilitation. You know, you don't need, you know, we all know if the justice system is broken down. You don't need the justice system when it stops, man. You will absolutely, I guarantee you, rehabilitate somebody whoever intrudes in your home or tries to intrude in your personal life. You'll absolutely be rehabilitated. You don't need to spend $100,000 keeping a person for 20 years. You know, that's ridiculous, right? He will never, ever, ever do that again. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. These dogs are trained, my dog has, I'm just going to throw some numbers out here. These are not accurate numbers, you know. But let's just say that the dog delivers a thousand pounds of pressure per square inch. Naturally. Right? What we do is we build on that. We have, we have a, a toy that's called a con, which is, which is a hard rubber ball that the dogs, you ever see them weight lifts squeezing those little hard rubber balls? Well, he's got one in his mouth, man. And that's what he does. And he does that for years. So when my dog bites you, the first thing that's going to happen is you're going to have a broken arm if he bites you on the arm. He's going to bite you on the forearm and he's going to snap, he's going to snap the bones, sever the muscles. And the only thing that's going to happen to you to keep your arm in place is the tendons, the two tendons going up and down your arm, right? And he's probably going to try to pull that mouth out of your shoulder. So, I don't know what you started to do, right, where your head was at when you started, but I can guarantee you, man, it ain't going to be in the same place when we're finished. I don't know. You know? And that's got to gammish. That's kind of damage that these dogs do. These are not toys. They double as a pet, as a companion, but they are not toys. They are tools. Different word. Different word. You know? And they're used for specific purposes. This dog doubles as a pet. He's about a half-assed friend of mine. You know? But he's more interested in working than he is anything. You know what I mean? And that's the way it is. It's a lot like a gun, man. A lot like a gun. What we'd like to do is, is, uh, we'd like to, to, to, uh, present this, this owning a protection dog, right, to the victims of the world, uh, who are women. And, and, and, and, and for that, uh, I'd, I'd like to turn this microphone over to my wife and let you know what a protection dog has done for her in her life. Suzy? Hi, everybody. I've never done this before, so bear with me. Um, I was watching Oprah one for the other day and somebody was saying she belonged from, came from a dysfunctional family and Oprah said, doesn't everybody? And, uh, I came from one of those families like most of us and, uh, I was, hey, excuse me. Um, and so I was kind of raised as a professional victim and, uh, anytime I perceived anything as violence, I would just freeze. So, um, when I fell in love with this old cowboy about six years ago, um, he said, we're going to buy a protection dog and, uh, we went and bought Hulk when he was two years old and he looked at me with this really loving look in his eye and he said, this dog is going to save your life. And what I thought he meant was that we were, we had some land that we had bought to start a recovery center down on the border of Mexico and Arizona and there was some cocaine traffic going through there and I thought that's what he meant and that was true. Um, a couple of times people would drive up on our property very close and look very suspicious and they'd just see the dog and they would drive off. So, I think a lot of violence is alleviated just by having the presence of a large dog like this that's obviously trained. Um, but what really happened for a personal experience for me about this dog changing my life is that I had to learn how to handle this dog and this is a lot of dog. Um, and this is the first dog that I obedience trained and handled as Pete agitated for the dog. Um, the first time that I was holding a dog and he bit the agitator and I had to give the commands I got so scared that my throat just shut and they were yelling the command to release from the perpetrator is out and I was trying to say out and nothing would come out of my throat. So that's where I was coming from when I started this and they were all looking at me like do something and I said out and nothing happened. And so, uh, we went home that day and, um, this summer and all the house that went up in the house were open where we were living and Pete said we're going to learn how to take charge and how you can learn how to speak like an army sergeant. And he said I want you to count to ten like you're in the militia and I said one, two, three, four, five and he made me stand there until finally that little kid like a lot of us have experienced as kids who I was a little kid I just closed the closet door and said I don't want to play thank you very much and finally out it came where I could say one, two, three and I couldn't believe it. It was like a release for me of understanding there was a person inside of me that really was not a victim. After learning how to handle these dogs when I walk in front of a group of men like that now and I walked by them before and I would just shrivel and of course they'd sent the victim in me and they would whistle and make uncouth comments and feel like I was getting undressed with their eyes and I just hated it. And after training these dogs when I walk in front of a group of men like that now I just give them a look like don't you even think about messing with me and they don't. They look at me like woo they can just tell. So this has been a transforming experience for me not only feeling safe because I can go anywhere with these dogs but because it transformed me as a woman it really changed my life. I trained Casey from the very beginning we bought her eight weeks and this is the first dog that I obedience trained. The advantage of having a female dog for me and maybe some of you women will relate is that she just doesn't have the bulk. She weighs about 80 pounds Hook's about 120. It's a lot easier to handle. For me to handle Hook I can do it but I have to really work at him because he's just he's what is called an alpha dog. An alpha dog is a dog that if he was at the head of a pack of dogs pulling a sled he would kill the other dogs to get to the top to the front of the line. They come out of the oven like that. That's just an alpha dog. There's alpha personalities the same way we all go. So it's very important. It was important for me and it's important with the people especially the women that we work with that I can demonstrate to the dogs that a woman can handle these dogs because it's really fun and also to match the right dog sometimes a female dog is my point is really an excellent dog for a woman just because she has less mass. There's no question in my mind that Casey would defend me as well as this big dog. The EPS drivers in our driveway are more concerned about this one because she just loves to work because genetically that's what she's spent for centuries to do. And so she but Casey is just real serious about her. You'll get to see how that works. Female dogs are more sensitive just like female women. Emotional. We are more emotional than men and when she when you go to train a female dog it's a touchy business. You've got to have a professional trainer that really knows what they're doing because if you over correct a female they'll just fold and they won't come back. With a male dog you can put more pressure on. That's why most hard dogs are used for canines as are males for that reason. They're just easier to train and they're harder. So after we train a pup and first we work with obedience so that they're safe and controlled. my concern was I just didn't want to have a mean dog on the property. These dogs will not bite unless they're told with one exception. With female men also but especially females if someone jumps out of a bush at me when I walk in the dogs most likely even with all the training that I have it's a physiological reaction to the fear is my body will be slated with adrenaline and I may or may not be able to give a command. That's why most rapes happen with women because they just freeze, can't even yell, can't even think because it's a biological flooding of adrenaline. So at the end of training after all the control is put in, the obedience and taught to bite and out which is to release then we do scenario training so we can train a dog specifically for the family. so if you want the dog boundary trained so no one can come in your yard we can do that. There's a thing called guardian training if there's a small child that might be at risk from some perpetrator we can train a dog to stay between the perpetrator and the child and whatever radius you so choose. So you choose 50, 20 feet the dog will protect the child and if the perpetrator comes over that line the dog will automatically bite. We can car train a dog we don't do that with ours because we never underestimate the human power of human stupidity people have stuck their babies right in front of Hulk's face and said look at this beautiful dog and so we don't we have not car trained our dogs because the risk of people's stupidity scares us so much. By that I mean if someone tried to break into our car they would bite. So we have not trained them to do that. We do scenario training such as out in the field wherever you would be or your workplace or your house after we're finished with training a dog we'll come to your house rattle the doors and run away telling you ahead of time obviously that we're coming if you want the dog trained for that. So it's exciting to specifically train a dog or your family specifically. The main difference that's important to me between these dogs and the canine cop dogs is the control. I want this dog to go into a kindergarten classroom with me and be able to lick every child's face and be absolutely sure that even if the kid moves fast nothing's going to happen and I've done that with Casey. Up here we have a fall festival and we demonstrate the dogs and the first thing we do is walk right along the edge of the people and all the little kids get their faces washed and everybody pets the dogs. Then we walk out into the middle of the field and it's absolutely astounding because then they turn into a man's stopper. So it's really exciting. One thing that Pete started to touch on that I think is really fun and interesting to talk about just briefly is about choosing a puppy. As Pete was saying this is just a general feel. In about eight weeks you can take and you can sit in the middle of a litter of pups and you can do several things. You can drop or bang a pot together and make a loud sharp noise. Some puppies will flee and some will just kind of look at you like what was that? That was kind of a different sound. That's to test for courage. Sociability like you mentioned to see if a dog actually will come up. There's what's called a pinch test. You can pinch the dog on the plank until he yelps and see if he's forgiving because you can't train a dog if he can't be corrected. If you want a dog for protection and gunfire, pups can be tested even when they're that small under gunfire. This is just fascinating to me because genetically if one dog and the pup and the whole litter is gun shy, the other ones might be too. You never want to take a pup for protection if you think it might ever be in a situation with gunfire, which it certainly could be if you're using it these days. Let's see. Oh, and pray drive is really important. The way we train our dogs is all in pray drive, which is chase a rabbit or if you take a towel for a little puck and wiggle it on the floor and roll so it doesn't hurt their necks, the puppies have to be able to chase that or you can't train them because we train our dogs totally in pray drive. They think this is fun. The perpetrator doesn't know that but they think this is the biggest game. When we go outside you'll hear Hulk start to cry when you see some flames come out because this is his most favorite thing in the whole world to do. He just loves to work. And so in choosing a puppy that might be helpful if you take him for a walk out in the field and the dog walks the head and comes back and checks on you, that means he's probably very human oriented. That's an excellent sign. If you want a double dog as a retriever, say a lap, that would be a protection dog and a retriever, he can throw a ball and say he can bring it back. Most labs will do that. What am I for doing? Anchor puppy training? Puppy? It's a fascinating business and each puppy is as individual as your kids. They're all a little different. If you take a dog that has been bred for centuries like Rottweilers were used in the Roman times as war dogs and if you have a dog like them and don't have a take-charge personality where you can be the alpha person in that pack, the dogs will walk right over you and you have an unsafe dog. So choosing a dog is just absolutely critical to get the right dog for the right people. Anything else you want to talk to Pat? Go. You want to take over? Yeah. So is there any with this you touched on, is there any questions? No questions. Oh, okay. One. I just want to tell you guys from the standpoint of being returning and working in the urban environment. A lot of things we have are lost. They're not trained. Absolutely. And if you're in an urban setting and a lot of rights and a lot of state laws, you're going to talk about the other thing towards your house. So you have to be careful as if it's trained properly though, if you're a stress factor, it's an absolute offense. But it's a lot of the police while the dog comes out the front door, comes it up in the front driveway, you're a big problem. I think the dog is a serious thing. So a dog is like a weapon and I have to do it that. It's not trained properly. It can be a real danger thing. It's like being loaded with pistols that are not accountable. And your family, you're worse. You don't know this. The Supreme Court of the United States has declared in a ruling that the use of a train protection dog is an alternative to deadly force. The same rules apply to using a dog, deploying a dog, as deploying a pistol. If somebody comes up and tweaks your nose and turns around and runs away, legally you cannot send a dog after him. You can be sued. Right? A dog is used as deterred. That's the theory of it. Once the aggression is deterred, the dog has to be called back. You cannot chase the perpetrator with your dog. Legally. Legally. You know, it's all stopping. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If I walk up to you and slap you upside your head and turn your wallet, right, and caught you off guard, and you had a dog, and I was running away, right, and you sent the dog after me, right, when the cops got there, right, you'd be working for me. I would be in jail. This is really true. I would be in jail for stealing your money, right, and I would have a judgment, like a million-dollar judgment against you, right? I'd be getting rich in jail. But there's another side to that, folks. I can tell you from experience that with these dogs, you're not going to tweak my nose. And I don't have to give the dog the command. If he sees you go like that toward my face or Annie's face or one of our children's face, Crusher's going to eat you. And Hulk would, too. So it's not a question of sending the dog after the guy when he's running away. He's never going to get that far. He's not going to get that far. Yeah. Most peace officers, you know, are pretty reasonable. You know, they understand that you're working for a broke system. You know, they understand that. I mean, they see that every day. You know, right? And if a couple of thugs confront you and your dog disquades them, you know, right? Then, you know, they just say, yeah, okay, you know, right? That's cool. Right? You were saying that Rottweil's needed a lot of exercise. Well, how about the German shepherd? How much exercise? Well, they need to run a lot, you know? I mean, a lot, right? You cannot have a German shepherd, lock him up in an apartment and let him exist. What's going to happen is you're going to create hip problems, you know, skeletal problems, muscle problems, you know? The dog needs exercise. You've got to exercise the dog, right? A lot of people buy dogs for protection and then just kind of shine them up, you know? The dog's in the house, they feed it, they pat it, and turn on the TV, you know? One of the things, man, that I've noticed through the years is that as a people, as Americans, we get some really strange attitudes about dogs, right? We have a tendency to treat our dogs like children and we have a tendency to treat our children like dogs. You know, somewhere along line, we got all screwed up here, you know? And, you know, a dog, it has to be exercised properly, you know? It's the same way with a kid. You would take a kid and lock them up in an apartment and keep them there, you know what I mean? You got to really run them out, you know, really run them, you know, and really exercise them. It's a lot of responsibility, man. It's a pain in the butt, man, to come home at night and work with your dog. You know, jeez, I work all day in the machine shop and, you know, I come home and my legs cranky, man, and my kids ain't doing well in school, man. I got to work just damn time, man. You know, I don't want to, you know? And, that's the way it is. Yes? I said that, I thought, I was just growing up on the issue, and what would do the dog come down? I probably agree with her. A dog, a dog generally puts a real camp around domestic violence in the house. You know? I mean, if you're prone to kick your old lady in the butt, man, don't get one of these dogs. She's not a good idea. You know? I had a guy come in my house one time, you know, we work with alcoholics a lot. And, and acts, and, and we, we have a specialty in that field, is that we like to work with acute crime, alcohol snacks. And that, there are people that just can't seem to get it no matter what, you know? And some of these guys think they're really tough, you know? Especially guys who have lived down the street for several years, you know? And they might have been in prison, and somebody one time or another man told me you're a tough guy, and they believe it, and, you know, been acting that way ever since, you know? We had a guy in our house one time that we were working with men decided to get tough, you know? And you ought to see me as a doctor. I hit the guy, you know, because he got a little rude. I hit him, and he fell back into the opposite chair, and my dog just sat up on the chair and just looked over at him. You know? One of the things the guy found out, man, I don't think he found out much about staying sober, but he found out he wasn't tough, you know? I don't know if that was helpful to him or not. What we'd like to do is we'd like to go outside. Does anybody have any more questions? Yeah, that was a near-death experience. Who? Oh. I'm 16 with a second. I'm moving out to the dog, rubbing my hands, laying up the back and checking me. But I didn't know. But I was wondering about dog for protection of law, so I'm sure that they just take care of me. Yes, there are dogs like that. What are they called? They're called handy dogs. There's several organizations that deal exclusively in those dogs that will answer the phone, open the door, get your stuff out of your refrigerator, just do amazing stuff. Just absolutely amazing stuff. deserve whatever needs that you might have. And at the same time, be protective. At the same time, dual purpose. It's a lot like having a protection dog that sniffs drugs. They're dual purpose dogs. It's probably a really exceptional dog that will do that. But yeah, that is available. That's certainly available. How many carloads of dogs would you buy a week? A lot. I had to call up the dog booth down there and tell me you're breaking my back. They sent me some certificates for discounts. Yes? In the urban days, the silence is a good idea. No. It's more of a rural tool than it is anything. Mostly it's for people who aesthetically don't want offense, number one, or two, financially can't afford offense. You know, it works really well in an urban setting. It's not real good. It's not real good. I mean, it works real good in the rural setting. It's not real good in the city at all. It just don't work. The fence won't hold my dog that you almost covered. You know, these dogs, man, have got such high drive that in a city where they're getting stressed a lot by a lot of people being around. You know, they'll go right through that barrier. That's not a really strong return for a dog. I don't think. I bought one and gave her away. You know, I don't worry to. I don't know. I don't like it for you, but what I found for a while, your friend is in English that is somebody else who wants to even if they're not mean to me, it's dogs, it's a sort of practice. I want a dog that feels friendly through everybody in the room, but if somebody just trying to fix it, it would happen. Yeah, yeah, sure, I've said it. I don't want to pretend. Yeah. Why don't you do me care? Why don't you come over here? Come on down here. And that's it for today, folks. We'll continue with this same program tomorrow. And you'll hear the end of the lecture portion, and then you'll hear the outside demonstration, the actual demonstration of the use of the dogs. That was incredible. You won't be able to see it on the radio, but you'll be able to hear enough to amaze you, I think. And I may even describe what's happening for you in the portions where you need to see but can't. If you need to contact Peter or Susie Sherlaw about obtaining a dog, and folks, they just retired from that business, so they're not selling dogs. I don't know if you can entice them to train your dog, but they can give you advice. their number is 520-521-5886. That's 520-521-5886. That's Peter and Susie Sherlaw, spelled S-H-I-R-L-A-W. They're great people. They trained our dog, and our dog gives us the greatest sense of security that we have ever known. And as you all know, we've received some pretty terrible threats because of what I do. And this is the first time in my life that I've been able to go to bed without taking my 45 automatic with me. We are just, you know, we have no fear while that dog is here. But if you were to visit, I guarantee you might under the wrong circumstances. So, that's it for tonight. Good night, folks. God bless each and every one of you. And remember, the hour of the time is rebroadcast every night at 8 Pacific, 11 Eastern. This is my daddy's station. I'm Pooh, classic radio like you always wished it could be, 101.1 FM, eager. 101.1 FM is owned and operated by the Independent Foundation Trust as a non-profit community service. This is the Voice of Freedom. 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