kap follow or put through through through through through through You're listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight you're going to hear another one of the lectures from one of our many conferences. Which one doesn't make any difference? Those who attended will recognize it. The rest of you need to hear it. And this is one of my lectures. And it has to do with what this is all about. What this broadcast is all about. What this nation began to be all about. That's being destroyed today. What we all profess to care so much about. So make sure you have pen and paper. And take copious notes, folks. You're going to need to refer to them from time to time. As you're going to hear, some of the people who attended the conference had many varying and widely different views on this subject. When we should have all understood it and been together on a definition. The title of the lecture is Freedom. And the reason we're doing this is we've had many, many requests to do a broadcast on freedom. Now, in the beginning, I'm going to be asking questions of the conference audience. You're not going to hear very well a lot of what they say. But just hang in there. Because as soon as we go around the room and get all the answers from the audience, then we get heavy into the meat of the matter. So without further ado, we take you to one of our many conferences to a lecture by me, William Cooper, on the subject of freedom. Freedom. Freedom. Freedom. Okay. What we're going to talk about now is a precursor to everything else that's going to follow this week. If you don't understand the subject of the next hour and a half to two hours before we break to eat supper, then you're not going to really understand anything else that follows. And I know that most of you don't need this, but it's an absolute requirement that we talk about it. We've got to. And that's freedom. There are so many people in this world who talk about freedom that they haven't got the slightest concept of what they're talking about. For instance, I can ask anybody in any high school graduating class, in any high school in the nation, to define freedom for me. And I'll get some weird off-the-wall statement, well, means freedom of speech. Well, what does that mean? Well, it means I can say anything I want. Does it? Does it really? What is freedom and what does it really mean? And why should we be so concerned about the meaning of that word? So that's going to be the subject of the next hour and a half to two hours. And I'm going to need some participation, some help from you. Because this is really important that you grasp the concept and the true meaning of the word freedom. Let's sort of go around the room. And, folks, I'm not doing this to embarrass you. And it really isn't a right answer, as you're going to find out. Because the definition or the meaning of freedom is subjective. When we talk about society as a whole, it has an objective meaning. A real, definite meaning. If you want to have a society that lives in peace with each other. But depending on who you are and where you're coming from and what your particular moral code is or lack of moral code or your system of ethics, if you will, your definition of freedom is going to be subjective. It's going to be based upon what you particularly have been taught to believe in your life. So I'm going to go around the room real quick and want everybody to give me just a quick, simple definition of freedom. Don't be embarrassed. I'm not going to use you as an example or embarrass you or anything. I just want to get an idea. And I want you all to get an idea of the different concepts of the different people in this room, which represents probably a segment of the very best of the population that really wants to have a good future and live in freedom. Even amongst this group, you're going to find that there's going to be some different answers. Pat, do you want to start off? Well, I think you should be able to do what I want to do without having to worry about like this thing. You know, the life and the brother. To do what you want to do. Without having to worry about somebody putting restrictions on you. Yeah, you know, being a responsible person. You're saying that that would be enough. With responsibility. Without infringing on other people. Okay, without infringing on other people. Okay, Jean? Thank you, sir. I would just say what's your choice? Choice. Okay. Principle the same as Pat, as you, that choice. Freedom is the extension of the word liberty. Freedom is the extension of the word liberty. Now, this is interesting. Because then to understand what he said, we have to define liberty. And if we don't, we really don't know what he said, do we? Next. Next. This is the possibility. This fact that he pays that as long as it doesn't harm my neighbor's name. I will go grab it and do whatever I want to do. I will grab it and just do what I want to do. As long as it harms someone else. I should be free to do that. Okay. So you think freedom is to be able to do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. Right. I gotta repeat that because the camera can't hear and the other people back there can't hear. Who's next? Real quick. Freedom is a universal right for everyone to grow and develop as they choose. Universal right for everyone to grow and develop as they choose. Next. Freedom is like, I have to do what I want to do in my home. They can raise their people what they want in their way. It's not really convenient besides who's like, you know, a lot of sense of trust. So freedom to you means mind your own business, don't judge other people. He can do what he wants in his home, you can do what you want to yours. Next. Freedom is being able to do what you want to do without hurting other people or hurting people's property. Is that correct? Right. Next. I'm sorry, continue. Make my own decisions. Make your own decisions, okay. Next. Agreed with her, participate in making your own decisions and participating in us people making decisions. So you want me to make your own decisions and participate in decisions that other people make that might affect you. Okay. Patty? Freedom is being able to do. Freedom of choice. But I want to do, but I want to do it. Okay. Jay? That would be somewhere between slavery and license. Between slavery and license? Yeah, it would be. You did something similar to what he did. Now we have to define slavery and license before we really understand what he said. And if we don't... It would be total control. Pardon? Slavery is total control? Life is total freedom without moral or ethical concern at all. Okay. No restrictions whatsoever. No concerns either. Next. I think it's being able to believe or read what it was, to own property, to keep profits from my worth, whether to do or not do things as long as you don't hurt the person or property of anyone else. Okay. Do what you want to do. Make the profit you want to make. Engage in the occupation you want to engage in. Read what you want to read. As long as you don't hurt the person or property of anyone else. Thanks. Thanks. I didn't really hear all that you said. You have to do what you want to do without all kinds of rules and stuff, right? Sure. Sure. Next. I think, for you guys, the absence of controls placed upon majority by a minority. The absence of controls placed upon majority by a minority. Majority by a minority. Yeah. I think that's right. Did I say it that right? Did I say what he said, yes? Okay. Up front. Hello? Yeah. Yes, sir? Truth is essential to freedom. Truth is essential to freedom. Okay. Freedom in a nutshell is the responsibility and allowing persons the ability to make their own decisions and to allow them, I have the words, uh, all set out here, to do the... See, I lost this. Ernest? Ernest? Ernest? Ernest, okay. Ernest, okay. Can you sort of say it in a nutshell without... Well, it's the... It's allowing someone else to have an opinion and allowing them to express their opinion and allowing them the freedom to say what they need to say and you the freedom to do what you have to say. Because without being able to express your opinion, you have no proof. Okay. Thank you. Next? Yeah. To be able to live where I want to live, participate in the type of, uh, uh, activities or income-earning situation that I choose to pursue, uh, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else. Okay. Next? The ability to make all kinds of choices that I choose to make. Make all kinds of choices that you choose to make. Rich? The ability of freedom is based in the infelible rights of life, liberty, and property granted to us by the creators. I believe that we have the... Those rights have to be protected and as long as they are protected using the art system, the constitutional republicans' system, of the constitutional laws, as long as we don't hurt the property of another, that that is what we aspire to be is for Jesus. Okay. So basically what you're saying is that freedom to you is based upon the unendomable right to life, liberty, and property under the constitutional law that governs the central. Okay. Okay. Next? The opportunity to live as you want, believe as you want, and live without fear. Live as you want, believe as you want, and live without fear. See, nobody else said that, did they? Next? Uh, on my side, they'd be able to do, uh, your thing as long as you don't, uh, hurt anybody's property or, uh, person. Do your own thing as long as you don't hurt anybody's personal property. Next? Yes. I believe that freedom is a way of life, so I am able to choose, uh, to, to deal with others as I had them to do, and also that, uh, I had a technique called the decalogue. Well, I hear you say the decalogue, right? I'm not going to exercise what's concerned for somebody else's welfare as my life. Yeah, that's the decalogue. You want to know those, you would have them do it either. Is that what you believe? Right. Okay. Next? I believe that the ability to, uh, choose a responsible way of life and to allow others to do the same without impeding or oppressing them. Choose a responsible way of life without impeding on others while they should do the same. Irene? I'm afraid to come in and to come in and to come back home. I know that you said that the responsibility of the responsibility and the ability to do that, to use as far as you were in the sense of the male responsibility and ability to do whatever he wishes as long as it doesn't infringe upon anybody else's right to do the same thing. I found one word. John? Respect. Respect, okay. John? Right to defend myself. Right to defend yourself. Okay, thanks. Limited government without care, the right of property, and the suit of happiness with responsibility. Limited government without fear, the right of property, and what else did you say? And liberty with responsibility. And liberty with responsibility. Next. Freedom is our being allowed to live and have our certain rights, most of which are, I guess, modernist spelled out in the Constitution, ability to go out and engage in the pursuit of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. But then again, it can't work without the golden rule. Okay. Pursuit of your rights. It's spelled out in the Constitution and live by the golden rule. Thanks. It could be a state of mind, body, or spirit, in which you recognize that God has given you rights, which may and cannot give you, and living to protect those rights for yourself and for others. A state of mind, body, or spirit, realizing that God gave you certain rights that you also gave others that you have to respect as mutually. Is that correct? Did I paraphrase what you said correctly? I don't want to say, I don't want to put words that anybody said. Rights of others. Respect the rights of others. Okay. If I get it wrong, correct me, because I want to make sure I say what you wanted to say. Okay. Next. Right to pursue your dreams. Right to pursue your dreams. Okay. Next. Right to do what you want to do and not have others and not get hassled by other people. Do what you want to do and not get hassled and not hassled. That's pretty simple. Next. That's to be a thing for me. It's actually a state of mind. A lot of people I know that are spirit of our parents. Right now, I actually, you know that's a prison. But I think the Constitution and the first kind of members of the Bill of Rights. You know, I have no idea if everyone's full of the person's image. We can be fairly good right now. So it's a state of mind that you believe that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights defines the limitations and the rights that you believe if they were applied the way that they were written. Would represent freedom to you. I believe freedom is like a gift from the Creator. And only through man does that gift is infringed upon, taken away, regulated. For freedom is the ultimate gift from the Almighty so that you can make responsible choices without hurting anyone else. Okay, I think you said that pretty good. And I think that got on the camera. Denise? Ditto. Ditto. Is this a rush room? Ditto. Yeah. Freedom. Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't interfere with anybody else. It just doesn't. Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't interfere with anybody else. Okay. Yeah. All the way in the back. Larry? Yeah. Now I can be here and then. Any questions to read on? Freedom. What's freedom to you? There's no right or wrong answer. I'm not here, I'm going to get hired to. I don't know if I can. Live and live. Okay, that's good. I would say to be free means to be willing to travel where I want you to pursue happiness. Travel wherever you want in pursuit of happiness. Bruce? I mean, as free of this, the response for that exercise, God-given rights to harm go down. God-given rights is what? The response for that exercise, God-given rights to harm go down. Okay, this is the responsible exercise of God-given rights without infringing on anybody else's rights on their property. That's right. Diane, homecoming queen. It doesn't fit harm. It's a private joke between Diane and I. Diane and I are great friends that go back quite a ways, and she's talked this out an awful lot. So, if you don't understand, leave it be. Yes, ma'am. Well, among other things, I think it's the right to succeed or fail, even if your standard of success or failure is not the same standard of everyone else's. Does it succeed or fail even if your standard is not the same standard as everyone else's? Okay. Good. Dennis? The right to homeschool your two sons the way you see fit, live and breathe without asking anyone's trouble. Rita? Don't you dare say Jim. I really like what counts, but it seems to me that God should appear to live our lives. If people restrict us, we're not able to prove what we're made of, what we're hurtful. Okay, so you basically agree with what it counts in. God made you live your life, and if people restrict you, you can't live up to your expectations or potential, right? Next. You guys want to get into this? No one? Sir? Bob? Freedom comes with the price of freedom. Freedom is freedom to any kind of you wish. But you also have to say that in every country you agree. So you get a problem. You get a bunch of freedom that's what you need anything to do. So we have to agree on something. I have to agree. I guess I want to do it. Like common law is telling you, two basic principles. Do anything you want except for? Do not engross. You want another person or his property. All tort and laws, criminal laws, not about criminal laws, and not about pro laws. It's all based on that. It's based on the principles. The second one. Do everything that you've lost, gave up an agreement with the promise to you. It's called law law contract laws. It's based on that. So you get it. It's a truth. It comes out. Now, we all want the same thing. We all want to forget what we want to do. The only trouble is when we start her teaching, it'll work. If I'm a kid, I start your brother's kid. The other kid's going to be a man. They're going to get at me. So I have to do that. In other words, we can do anything we want as long as what they have said. Okay. If God hurts, I'm going to go to another first church property. And do everything you promised and promised to do. It's no matter. Good. Basically what he said is don't encroach upon other people on the property and do everything that you have promised to do. And, you know, it'd be a much better world if people just did just that one thing. Don't do it. You can always do it. Who's next? Believe what you want to believe. Be what you want to be as long as you don't infringe upon those same rights as other people. Jackson. I'm sorry. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. And I think that as long as we treat other people, we're doing the treatment. And for others, the person who may have this right, so people, as you have to be higher. I just want to be higher. I can't hear you. Basically what you're saying is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Is that correct? Okay. Next. I think the freedom of the God you might know. God-given right that no man or anybody else can take away from anyone. General? I have two representatives here from XL. I invited to come and see what we do. They'll be here for a couple hours, I think. This is Nolan Udall. This is a neighbor of mine and a good friend. What's your definition of freedom, Nolan? Well, to me, freedom is the ability of a wife to be able to dream and to seek to accomplish those dreams without interference from others. You can see them parameters that are on their shoulders. You know, to be able to accomplish what I want and to help others. To be able to dream, accomplish those dreams, and help other people without stepping on anybody along the way. Is that basically? Right. I just want to be saved from the good guys. You want to be what? Saved from the good guys. Saved from the good guys. I just want to have that freedom to be what I want to be into life. Saved from the good guys, the freedom to be what he wants to be and do what he wants to do. That's a... I've never heard that before. Be saved from the good guys. But isn't that... Yeah. But isn't that what they really believe about themselves? They believe they're doing what's best for all humanity, even if they're doing it bad. They rationalize their actions. The end justifies the needs. We've got to make a better world by telling everybody in this barn today it's okay to do it. So, you know, basically what he said is right on the money. All right. Saved from the good guys. Carl, where are you? Yeah, there you go. He snuck in. Carl, what's your definition of freedom? I think it's basically what everybody owes us. As long as we're not, and close to anybody, and anybody owes us. Carl, you know that you can't cop out at my snack. Stand up and tell me what you really think freedom is. You don't see everything I mean. Okay. Everything. As long as we're not hurt, we'll pull through anybody else. Wonderful. Okay. Carl, freedom is everything to him. As long as he's not approaching on anybody else. Yes, sir? I have a tendency to mind. Freedom is a gift you give to others. Freedom is a gift you give to others. That's very good. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, the point I wanted to make by this is not pinpointing by saying you're wrong and you're right. What I wanted to, for everybody to see, is even in this group, that's a pretty sophisticated group when you're talking about freedom, there's some pretty different answers in this room, isn't there? Yes, sir? No responsibility. If you have no responsibility, you're in an institution. Then you have no freedom. With no freedom, you're in an institution. You have no liberty. On the other side, you have total responsibility, and then you have total freedom. So responsibility goes with freedom. Okay. Now, let's explore this from a real-world point of view. Let's look at freedom. Now, let's look at it every way we possibly can, because I think, by applying it to the real world, we can pretty much come to a real definition of freedom that everybody in this room can agree upon. Now, the reason that this has to be done is you look out across this country, you read this newspaper as compared to this newspaper over here, you listen to Ted Koppel, Dan Rather, you listen to a Sunday morning evangelist, you listen to somebody who's a spokesperson for some group that calls itself a militia, you listen to another group that says they're the constitutional, rights activists of America, you listen to the Greenpeace people, and what you find is they're all trying to practice a form of freedom that only they understand. Okay? So unless we all agree upon a definition of freedom, and we find out what that is by applying it to the real world, then we really can't talk about freedom. And when we say, you know, they're encroaching upon our freedom, who are we talking about? The Greenpeace people? The Christians? The Mormon church? The Catholic church? The Baptists? Are we talking about the atheists? I mean, what are we talking about when you say, they're encroaching upon our freedom? Who is that? The Greenpeace people? The Greenpeace people? The Christians? The Greenpeace people? The Greenpeace people? Okay, if we could start with one premise, we have to have a premise before we start, that the Founding Fathers came to this country to escape religious persecution in the old world. Would everybody agree on that? Is that pretty much a true statement? Yes. And part of the great battle of building this country was people striving for religious freedom? Yes. Yes. The Founding Fathers came from the old world to this country to escape religious persecution and then set up religious persecution of their own in the colonies? Correct. Right? And then people striving for their own religious freedom were persecuted by the people who came here to escape from religious persecution? And isn't it still going on today? Of course. What happened to the branch of the Greenpeace? Murder. Didn't they have freedom? Yeah. Why were they so vilified? Because they practiced a religion that was strange to everybody else. So freedom has its roots basically connected to religion, doesn't it? Or, if you want to put it another way, escape from some religions. Okay? At least in the beginning. You see, in the beginning, freedom was a concept that was strange to the world. Strange to the world. And we find that all through the history of the world, no matter which civilization you're talking about, you'll find books that say that the Roman civilization or the Roman society was a democracy where everyone was free. Is that true? You're going to accept that or reject it, but when you actually say out of the history of the Roman Empire, you find that there was an elite group of people known as the original citizens of the city of Rome, who were the only ones who were free that could participate in the government. If you didn't belong to that particular group of people, no matter where you lived in the Roman Empire, you weren't really free, were you? Were those people really free? Even the elite who belonged to that select group that were the original citizens who set up the empire, the families, were they really free? Did the government of Rome recognize unalienable rights and doubt upon individuals by their creator? No. So freedom was something that was granted by the state and could be taken away by the state. It was a capricious will of the Senate that said whether you were free or not and how free you were. Is that correct? In the Greek civilization, were the people free? No. Not on your line. Throughout the history of the world, folks, if you really study the history, and you don't get caught up in all of these idealistic, philosophical questions, but look at the reality of the time, you'll see that no people on the face of this earth ever were free until this country was founded. And what was the premise that made people free in this country that had never existed before in the history of the world? Unalienable rights. What is it? Unalienable rights. So something has to go before that. The property is like God. There is a God. Creator has been in the face. Without God, there are no unalienable creator and downrights. So if you reject God already, you reject the freedom. Because God says you have unalienable rights. If God is the ultimate authority in the universe, who can take those rights away from you? No one. No one. Period. No one. That's the premise upon which this nation was founded. One, there's a God. Whether you believe in God or not, it doesn't make any difference. Our founding fathers said, for this to work, there must be a higher law that man must answer to. Otherwise, liberty and freedom is that the capricious will of whoever rules, whoever is in office. Therefore, there is a God. Without that, there is nothing in us. I've said it on my radio show many times. How many of you have heard me say this before? Whether you believe in God or not, you better start if you want to be free. How many of you have heard me say that? How many times? About half a minute? It's the truth, isn't it? You see, man, if he doesn't have the answer to a higher authority, is subjective in everything that he does, isn't it? Where does moral law come from? That's from God. Without God, there could be no moral law. Everything else is subjective. Now, I'm not telling you you have to believe in God. I'm giving you a lesson in freedom as it was created by the founders of this country and as it existed for the first time in the history of the world with the creation of the United States of America. You know me, I'm a straight constitutionist. I believe that you have the right to believe in whatever you want to believe. And I'll fight for your right to do that. I'll even die for your right to do that. Even if you believe in Satan. Or if you believe in nothing. Or if you believe that you've got to chop down six trees a day to worship your God. I'll fight and die for your right to do that. And I'll do it the first moment that I'm called upon to do it without hesitation. Because I know that I have to do that in order for me to be free. Now, that's a strange concept, isn't it? I can't be free unless I'm willing to die for your right to be something that I might hate. How many people really understand that concept? How many people out there in the world do you think really understand that concept? Not too many. But that's exactly what this country was founded upon. The founding fathers knew that they had to create a nation that recognized unalienable rights granted to each individual by his or her creator. Only by doing that they took the capricious will away from the man leaders and said, hey, you can't touch this area because you haven't got the authority to do so. They established a limited government with limited powers. they did not establish a democracy. They established a constitutional republic. Part of the effort to destroy this country is to convince you that it's a democracy. Why do you think they want you to believe that this is a democracy if it's not? Why is that so important to these people? Rich? You don't need the unalienable rights if you can depend on You don't need God. You don't need unalienable rights. All you need is a majority vote, right? Yeah. Yeah. Now, B.I. Linden, the founder of the Soviet Union, said, democracy is indispensable to socialism because they know the majority will always ultimately vote themselves everything. everything, which ultimately becomes communism. Okay? So one of the first steps of destroying freedom is to destroy a constitutional republic by convincing you that it's really a democracy and that once you're convinced of that, you will make it happen and you will slide into socialism and ultimately into enslavement under communism. And that's what's happening in this country today. So freedom, basically, based upon the reality of the history of the world, depends upon whether or not you believe in God. If you believe in God, you believe that God gave man unalienable rights. What's unalienable mean? It comes from the root word lean. cannot be leaned against. Now, you hear people say all the time, inalienable. What does inalienable mean? It means you can be leaned. See, they're trying to fool you. Where is the definition spelled out? Where is the precedent set for which word you use? Who is the attitude? Who is the Declaration of Independence? Read the Declaration of Independence. That is the first document at law in this country. The very first. As a nation, there are documents that have effects that go back farther. But the first document at law in this country is the Declaration of Independence, which says that man was endowed by his creator with unalienable rights. Is that correct? So how come every time you see somebody on the television or somewhere else, they're talking about inalienable rights? Because if they convince you that that's true and you use the word inalienable, what you're saying is your rights can be leaned against and taken away. The Greek word is unalienable. It cannot be leaned against. It cannot be taken away. No one has the authority to do it. So by the clever use of words, they trick you into giving up your freedom. First, there must be a God. Second, God must have granted man certain unalienable rights which can never be taken away. And third, the Constitutional Republic is set up to protect, recognize and protect those rights. Those rights define freedom. Little government define freedom. And basically, what they set up was a place where people could live and do and flourish and reach the ultimate of their capabilities as long as they didn't hurt the person or property of any other human being. And that was flawed in the beginning because here was the nation that first set man free in the entire history of the world and said, there's a God. And God gave man unalienable rights and at the same time turned around and said, this man's my slave. man's my slave. But it's that same document that allowed those slaves to ultimately be set free and granted the same privileges and rights, because there are some privileges connected with this, as every other person or every other living human. We have to be careful with that word person, don't we? Okay? Would everybody agree with what I just said? Absolutely. Okay. So, there was a lot of different definitions here, and there were some that connected freedom to the creator, and some that did not, and some that went this way, and some that went that way. basically, every one of you got it right in some aspect. But you've got to understand this. Even though the founding father said there is a God, who is a doubtful man's certain unabitable rights which can never be taken away, and created a constitution and a bill of rights that recognized that fact and protected those rights, what is your ultimate freedom or imprisonment or enslavement depend upon? The will to defend it, your will. Your holy will is right. Who said the will to defend it? Because that's the right answer. The will, and more than the will, the resolve to defend it. Because governments change. Bureaucrats come and go. Men are elected and leave office all the time. don't they? And what is the ultimate character of the government? It's the character of the men who occupy the offices within that government. That's why the constitution is built right. You will not see any reference to God anywhere or Jesus Christ or any other religious entity of any church whatsoever. ever. Because they set the government up to recognize one thing only. There's a God. And God endowed men with unaimable rights. This constitution recognizes those rights and protects them and limits government. Even though God is not mentioned in there, it is implied through the writings and the actions and the intent of the framers of the constitution. But they were very careful to establish a secular government which because of the religion of the early enforcers of this government, occupiers of the government office, bureaucrats, presidents, vice presidents, senators, representatives, the government reflected the morals and the ethics of the Christian community. But was the government itself Christian? No. The government never went to church, did it? The government didn't say prayers, did it? But the men who occupied the offices did. Now if you understand that fact, you might understand now why things are changing. Are the people who occupy the offices of government now Christian? No. Are they, for the most part, Mormon? No. Are they Buddhist? No. What are they? Secular humans. Secular humans. They're atheists. Aren't they? So, the reason you're seeing the government and the application of government taking the changes and doing the things that it is doing is because government always reflects the morals or lack thereof and the ethics and the beliefs and the attitudes of the men and women who occupy the offices of government. If these people have no moral code and no ethical code, they have no restraints, everything becomes subjective. Doesn't it? Subjective is dangerous. Because in my subjective viewpoint, you might be expendable, and I really don't care what you think about it. I'm in charge. Now, I don't care what that 200-year-old document that those old doddering old men wrote who didn't understand the modern complexities of the new age wrote. You're out of here, bud. Pull him off and chop his head off. That's what happened. So, folks, when we talk about freedom, these are the elementary things that we have to understand. Freedom did not exist for the common man in this world ever in the history of the world before this nation was created. And the only reason the common man became free is because the founding fathers said, there's a God. That God endowed upon man certain unalienable rights that no one can take away. And we have set up a government and a constitution and a bill of rights that recognize this and protect those rights and live at the power of government so that our posterity may enjoy this freedom. What's the difference? Well, let me ask you this. Is liberty freedom? No, I don't. Why? People are always talking about liberty when they shouldn't be talking about freedom. Freedom is too much. And restrictions is too much. Liberty is somewhere in between. Is that correct? Liberty is within guidelines. When I was in the Navy, I had to sail aboard the ship unless the captain granted liberty. Liberty is granted by man. Liberty is a privilege granted by whoever is in charge. So, when you're talking about freedom, don't get it mixed up with liberty. Liberty is good. We should give people as much liberty as we possibly can. If they can handle that liberty and they're not going to hurt anybody else by giving them some more other than what they have as the freedom that they've been granted by their creator and respected and honored and protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, why can't we give them some liberty? liberty. We can, can't we? Sure we can. And that's good, but it is not the same as freedom, is it? See, I was free before I joined the Navy. When I joined the Navy, I got the liberty. Okay? Does everybody understand the difference? And you don't really begin to appreciate that until you're in something like the Navy. And if you're a low man on the totem pole, you still may not appreciate it. I didn't really appreciate it until I was made a patrol boat captain in Vietnam and given a crew and given this patrol boat that cost probably a million dollars and all these weapons that I could have destroyed any place I wanted to with. And I was responsible for these men. Then I understood why there had to be liberty instead of freedom on that boat. Because if I gave those guys freedom instead of liberty, I might have been on patrol by myself. And things might not have worked. See, in his freedom, the gunners may have decided not to clean the guns. But in my saying, you can't have liberty until the guns are cleaned, I made sure that it got done. So liberty is sort of a judicious responsibility. If you're not a despot, if you're a despot, you can turn liberty into something horrible, can't you? Something promised and never granted. Who saw Mr. Roberts? I'm glad when I was in the Navy, I wasn't on that ship. Because those guys didn't have any freedom and they never had any liberty. And the only time they ever had any liberty, all hell broke loose. It was sort of a lesson in what can happen if you restrict the population too much. When they finally went on the beach, what did they do? They tore the hell out everything. And let Mr. Roberts hold them back. Because he was the good guy, always sticking up for them, right? Right? Okay, have we sort of clarified that word, freedom? Does anybody in here have any questions? Because if you do, if you think I'm wrong, if you want to explore this a little more, we can do that. Yes, sir? I don't know if I can get to the scripture which is, but there's a concept, the doctrine that's slightly revealed in the letters to researchers about Nicolaitism. that's generally not understood by anyone. And it's all about freedom, about liberty. You know, right, James, that's every capitalist, that every man is recaptive. Pardon me. Every man is recaptive. So what boils down to Nicolaitism, that is the that permeates all civilization. It's the very basis of civilization. that word is a transliteration of a people or a people say it. Two words put together destroying other people. It was, it was religious, relevant, it's the distinction between clergy and laity. And it's in everything. It's in government, it's in business, it's in commerce, it's in. And that's the thing, that's the attitude that says that you have to pay your dues, the mysteries are different. Totally. You have to pay your dues, you have to bring your worship to believe with this, and then after you've paid your dues with them, teach people a degree or whatever, then you're better than those hungry of you. You're better than them. And then because you're better than them, you can make their decisions, and they have to delegate and afford their responsibility and their authority as leaders. And that's, that's what's wrong with the world. That's, that's enough for all of what's wrong with the world. Well, I go a little bit farther than that. I don't think that's what's wrong with the world, but I could be wrong. What I think is wrong with the world is man is flawed. Man is flawed. You see, when I finally recognize that in myself and in others, I determine I don't ever want to be a king. Because if I'm a king, I may get the power that will tempt me to be despised to my fellow men, and I don't ever want to be that. You see, I've learned something in my life. You can talk about the devil and Satan all you want to, or any kind of aspect of this evil entity, typhon, set, I don't care what you call it. All you want to. But you see, I have a tendency to look at the real world, and I have a tendency to test philosophy just like I would test anything else. If it doesn't stand up in the real world, it goes out. It goes out of my life. And what I found out in the real world is this. If you take man completely out of an area, evil ceases to dwell there. The laws of nature operate flawlessly the way God intended them to operate. If you put man into that picture, you bring evil into that picture, because evil dwells in the heart of man and nowhere else. And that's where evil must be confronted and controlled. And good people confront evil within themselves on a daily basis and come out victorious if they're lucky and if they're diligent. And even the best people are hiding some skeletons in their closet because somewhere along the line, they gave in to temptation and committed some evil act, either against themselves or somebody else. The best people in the world, I don't care who they are, have some of those skeletons in their closet because they're human beings. And when they stand in front of me and tell me that they don't, I know I'm talking to a liar. Same when I meet a couple that tells me they never argue. I'm talking to two liars. They're liars. Somebody tells me their children never lie. Oh, brother, that's a real big lie. And that's probably why their children don't lie. You know what I'm talking about? They talk their children to lie. By lying like that. The real world, the real world, if you look at it, will point you in the right direction. Always. When you get off on these flights of fancy and all this kind of handy-pandy good stuff and niddly-didly airy flight velocity crap, you're going to get lost. Stick to the real world. Test what's right and what's wrong in the real world and you'll be pointed in the right direction. And that's the truth. How many people do you know that say, I don't have to get involved in real world things. I'm going to be raptured. How many people do you know that say that? I'm a few. I like that. What kind of people would allow evil to prevail without confronting it and battling evil? When they have children or grandchildren. And they know that if they don't confront this and defeat it, their children are going to be subject to it. What kind of people are those people? No will. Right. they're escaping from the problem and having to confront the problem and solve the problem by convincing themselves or rationalizing or subscribing to a belief that someone else teaches that says it's okay for you not to be responsible. responsible. You see, it's a human thing for people to fall into that because we spend a good 20 years of our life trying to get to a position where we can be responsible, leave home, sign contracts, get out of the real world, make our mark. And then when we find out how tough it is, most people spend the rest of their life trying to find somebody that will relieve them of their responsibility and take care of them. And that is the biggest attraction of socialism. That's what socialism says to you. I will take away the responsibility that you have. I will put it on my shoulders. The state will assume that responsibility. You have to give up your rights and liberties and freedoms. You have to do what we say. But we're going to take care of you. We'll change your diaper. We'll give you a job. We'll give you an income. We'll even tell you what job you're going to have and we'll give you that job and we'll furnish you with recreation and all kinds of stuff and we'll take care of your medical bills. And a lot of people find that very attractive because it says I don't have to be an adult anymore. I don't have to be responsible. I don't have to look at the problems or solve them. All I have to do is go along to get all. Right? I went and talked to my father. I would have been an air force officer all his life. Retired as a colonist. He was a pilot. And I was weird on air force bases all over the world. I looked up to my dad. I thought my dad is defending freedom. He's defending the constitution. He's fighting for the underprivileged of the world. My dad is a big hero. Then he retired. And I went to recruit my dad to help me in what I was doing. I said, Dad, you got to help me. I mean, you bring a lot of credibility with you. When you stand up and you talk, having done what you've done and being who you are, people are going to listen to you. You could really be a great help in our crusade to keep this country on the right track. My dad said, Son, I've known about this all my life. But I can't help you. Because I get a retirement check from the government. And if I help you, they might take this check away and solve all of your mother and I have. You know, it hurt me deeply, but I told my father goodbye. And I've never been back. Because my father betrayed me and my children. He sold out for a measly $1,500 a month. You see, freedom of my children, his grandchildren, you can't put a price on for me. The government could come tomorrow and offer me $500 million and I'd spit in their eye before I would sell the freedom of my children and my grandchildren. So I still love my father, don't get me wrong, but I can't go talk to my father anymore. Because he sold my children. G. Okay? And he did it because he's a human being and human beings are weak. My father has a brain. He's one of the most intelligent men I've ever met in my life. He doesn't have to take that check. And even at his age, he could make a real good living doing anything that he decided to do because he's smart. But he decided to sell my children. And me, his own children, my brother and sister, for their retirement check. And all of a sudden I realized my father was not defending the Constitution, was not defending freedom, was not standing up for the oppressed people of the world like I thought he was as a boy. He was not the hero that I saw him as. my father was sacrificing 20 years for that retirement check. That was his whole goal. And then I sat down and really looked at the military service and it suddenly dawned on me. This is an indoctrination in the socialism. And anyone who stays in the military for 20 years gets a retirement check is a socialist. There's no doubt about it. If they weren't, how come the VFW and the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars, which is the VFW, and the AMVETS and the Vietnam Veterans Association, how come they're not all up in arms against what's going on in this country? How come they're not up in arms against what's going on in this country? They've been bought and paid for. That's why. Bought and paid for. I went to the VFW once. I was in a joint. I went for several days and I found out it was just a bunch of old guys sitting around and getting drunk on beer and telling lies. How great they were when they were in service. Now not all of them are like that. But that's generally what goes on in most VFW calls. And that's the truth. So I left and I'd never been back. And they every once in a while would say, hey, you've got to come down and join the VFW and say, no things. If I want a beer, I'll go down to Safeway and buy a six-pack and drink at home with my family. Thank you. And continue my work. And I won't tell no lies. Because by and large, from my experience of war, there aren't any heroes. War was not glorious. And it was a big rush sometimes. That adrenaline can do strange things to your body and to your mind. But it was a terrible thing. And none of us ever ended up really fighting for what we thought we were fighting for anyway. And in the heat of battle, who are you really fighting for? No. Yourself and your buddies. Yes. You're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA. This is the hour of the time. I'm William Cooper. How do you think about getting yourself and your buddies out of there with an ass in one piece? And that's the truth. That is the truth. It boils down to that. It's me and these four guys against the world. I can verify that. I'll get to that. But we want to make ourselves feel good, don't we? So we invent all these other things that go on with it. If we really want to be honest, what we should be saying to ourselves is, we were silly and got to make sure this never happens to our children. That if we got to fight a war, let's fight one last war for freedom. And let's make sure that our children never have to fight another war ever again. or anything. You get right down to it, folks, I'm as anti-war as anybody. But you try to take my freedom away and I'll pick up a gun in a second. When I came back from Vietnam, I promised, I promised myself, I took an oath in my own mind that I would never, ever kill another living thing in this world. I was an avid hunter before Vietnam. I haven't been hunting since then because I went on the ultimate hunt. there is no fun. There is no hurt that can make me happy. Just sad. I was killing any animals or any person. But if you try to take my freedom away, that means you're going to take my freedom away and enslave my children. And for that, even though I hate to do it, I'll kill anyone who tries to do that. I believe this. With my whole being, a man or woman without principles and ideals for which they are ready and willing to die at any given moment that they are called upon to do so, are already dead that are of no use or consequence to anyone, not even themselves. you can achieve only that which you are willing to go all the way for. And once your enemy senses that you're not willing to go all the way for, he'll take it away from you. Isn't that the truth? Didn't you learn that with the bully on the school ground? Isn't that a law of the universe? Isn't that true in business? In competition? In sports? You're on a football team and you're not going to hit that guy with everything you've got in your body. You can bet your butt he's going to put you in the hospital in the very next play. Isn't that true? What makes you think it's not true in politics? In the world today? Why are people so eager to not understand the definition of freedom, profess to love it and be so willing to give it up all at the same time? Can anybody answer that? I can't answer that. I struggle with that all the time. But that's what's happening, isn't it? Yes, sir. You're not. I can see that people today are afraid to die because they don't know what happens after that. You really think that's the answer? Yes. That can only happen if you don't believe in God. I think it's not a problem where we have a true doubt in Jesus' name of what God is depending on what He is God in reincarnation, on karma, and people are afraid to die. Well, you may be right about that, but let me go a step further into that same direction. I know people who tell me that they're Christians. I'm a Christian. I'm an avowed Christian. I believe in the Word. I believe in Jesus Christ. He's my Lord and Savior. Don't do it. I can't help you because I'm afraid to die. I look up right in the eye and say, then you just lied to me. You can't possibly be afraid to die if you're a Christian. It is impossible. It is impossible. It cannot happen. If you tell me you're a Christian and you tell me you're afraid to die or you demonstrate fear in the face of evil, you are not a Christian. You are lying to yourself and you are lying to me. Lying to me is forgivable. Lying to yourself is unforgivable. And I'm not saying you have to be a Christian. I'm saying that this is what's happening and it is incongruous. I'm a Christian. I'm up here because I'm not afraid to die. I'm on the radio because I'm not afraid to die. President Clinton called me the most dangerous radio host in America because I'm not afraid to die or go to prison or anything else. that is the first time he has to die. Yes ma'am. Yes ma'am. Is it death that you're afraid of or the pain associated with it? You're talking about the pain. I'm afraid of cheating. Okay. Irene is telling me that she's not afraid to die but she's afraid of death. I think what she's trying to say that she knows where she's going to go after she dies and she's not afraid of that. What I think she's trying to say is that you dread the transition the painful transition from life to where you're going to go after you die. Is that correct? A lot of people are afraid of pain. And I can tell you this from my experience in war there's nobody who can withstand pain. There's nobody who can be tortured and not talk. All these POWs that say they were tortured and they never talked they're not telling you the truth and that's why they take them to these intermediate places for debriefing and psychological evaluation and treatment before they're allowed to talk to the public so that they will not go make admissions that the government doesn't want made. This is true. I can tell you absolutely unequivocally it's the truth all POWs who were tortured talked. I know this because I was a member of the Office of Naval Intelligence and I saw the reports. I helped brief the Admiral on homecoming POWs and nobody can withstand pain to the point that they will not do whatever whoever's administering the pain wants them to do. So pain is a terrible thing and it can cause you to do despicable things that you might condemn yourself for. You should not do that because no one can withstand pain to an ultimate point. No one can. Everyone can be broken. Pain can make you suffer. It can make you hurt. So I can understand why people would dread the transition from life to death if there is a tremendous amount of pain connected with that transition. But that's not being afraid to die. That's being human. That's understanding the nature of pain. But not all deaths are painful, are they? Yes. I think that a lot of it is that if a person believes in God and they believe in any kind of afterlife and they believe in Jesus Christ and what he's talking about on the cross for us then really what they're afraid of is to look at their own life to be out of God. Judgment? And that is not it, does it? And again, I don't want to make that commitment. Yeah. If you say to me you're a Christian and you fear death I say you're not a Christian. If you say to me you're a Christian and you fear judgment I say that's very wise. Yes. You dare you. Yes. Very wise. I'm talking to a wise person and probably that person will not have to do that judgment because the fear of the judgment of God will cause them to lead a good life. You see but a good person would never say they are beyond judgment. Am I helping anybody here? I hope so. I always help myself when I do this believe it or not. It's the trigger. Yes, Rich. You know, when you talk about like they want to be like a leader or a king or whatever I can understand what you're saying but the way we view I just want to say one thing the consistent set of values that you have is me and a lot of us mark up a leader and because you can turn on that radio if you miss three weeks or three months or a year and you turn it on and there you are and the same value system that was there three years before is there three years later and that to me I mean that's I think that's why a lot of us are here. there's a leadership character in you that allows that consistency but you know what we draw we draw straight from that consistency but I do want to say that so I don't know what I understand what you're saying and I thank you for that and it's not always easy to do that because I'm human like everybody else but you see I'm not a leader because I really want to be a leader I'm not doing this because I want to be I think you all know that I'm doing it by default nobody else is doing it and for my children to be free and be handed the heritage as the posterity of the founding fathers I have to fight this battle I can't turn my back on my children and walk away I can't turn my back on you and walk away I can't turn my back on America and walk away I can't watch the only freedom ever given to humanity in the history of the world be destroyed and walk away I cannot do that I would much rather be doing a lot of other things I'm a leader by default because other well is that it evil evil prevails because good men do nothing I don't want that ever said about me I want my children to be able to look at me in the way I used to look at my father always I want them to say you know my dad was a human being and sometimes maybe I didn't think that he did the right thing maybe he punished me once and maybe I really didn't do it but he thought I did but he was a just good man who fought for our freedom and because of what he did we have what we have now or if we don't have it it wasn't because he let us stand that's what I want my children to remember about me and I'm like Jeff you know if I think something ought to be done I'm just going to go do it I don't care what regulations they say I don't care how they come after me I don't care what they threaten me with you know I'll deal with the permits later that's the way it is Clinton decided I was the most dangerous radio host in America because I told the truth I wouldn't knuckle under so he sent the FBI and they couldn't find anything they sent the IRS after me some of you have been visited by the IRS asking you all kinds of questions about me yeah what did I do Connie when they came after me I sued them didn't I who's waiting you are that's right you see I learned something in Vietnam there is no defensible position that cannot be overrun what is the best defense attack attack identify your enemy and attack and attack and attack and attack these are paper taggers the law does not give them the authority but they are intimidating and threatening people into allowing them to get away with but most people don't know that because they do crack a law book I do they start a criminal investigation on me I send them a letter please send me the written authority in the law or the delegation of authority given to anyone who allows them to conduct a criminal investigation on me other than that listed in the delegation of authority and I listed it which says that they can only conduct criminal investigations against foreigners who earn income in this country who are supposed to pay income tax I'm a citizen of the United States of America they have no authority to conduct a criminal investigation on me for income tax which doesn't apply to me because I'm not a foreigner making money in this country and guess what they can't produce it can't produce anything doesn't exist and the judges ordered them to do it and they still can't do it now they're in contempt of court so I filed a motion well first they filed a motion to dismiss the judges order and ladies and gentlemen there that's better and ladies and gentlemen we'll complete the rest of the broadcast with your calls you can make whatever comments you wish about what you just heard the number is 520-333-4578 and the outcome of what you just heard concerning our battle with the Internal Revenue Service for those of you who don't know about it is that we filed I don't know how many a lot lots and lots and lots of Freedom of Information Act requests over the years asking them to produce document their authority under the law to do what they do all the time to people they can't they never have and they won't and so we sued them took them to court and they would not produce it for the court and in order to to get out of it in the only way that they knew how instead of allowing the case to run its course they would have lost they knew it they lied to a grand jury obtained indictments against my wife and I are against fictional people spelled all with capital letters which represents a trust which in reality doesn't exist and obtained warrants from a judge for our arrest and we challenged their jurisdiction published a long challenge to their jurisdiction with all the points in law gave them 20 days to answer it and the law says where jurisdiction is challenged it must be addressed well they defaulted they did not address it they did not prove jurisdiction they didn't answer it nothing they are in default and according to law once it's published three times in a newspaper and as a public notice and that public notices were given to them which they did not answer that it becomes presumed fact under the law and we can act upon it as if it is fact because their failure under the law to answer or address our challenge our statement of fact means that they can't that they're admitting by default that we're right and so it's sort of a standoff they have not retracted the warrants but neither have they sent anyone to arrest us and we have told them that we will defend our rights and our freedoms if they do with all means at our disposal including but not limited to the force of arms if necessary the number is 520-333-4578 if you'd like to call in and discuss what you just heard for the last hour and 20 minutes that's 520-333-4578 we'll be taking oh boy I forgot to turn that off didn't I let me do that right now okay good evening you're on the air hello well whoever it was didn't want to talk 520-333-4578 is the number and we will of course take your call good evening you're on the air well it's another chicken plucker nothing but chicken pluckers tonight 520-333-4578 has two phone calls where the person who called would not speak I wonder why gee the number once again is 520-333-4578 this is Captain Glenn Miller speaking for the Army Air Force's training command orchestra and we hope that you soldiers of the allied forces enjoy these V-discs that we're making just for you and well i Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I feel it sounds like maybe POA is transmitting on top of the yellow cuts. Music and full music. 40s music on you. Just came up about three minutes ago. I'm playing that. I'm sorry? I was afraid it was POA again. No, I'm playing that. I was playing that. I don't mind it if it's yours. If it's them, I don't like it. Yeah. Well, what do you have to say about what you heard tonight? Well, I didn't hear all of it. I've heard some of your programs in the past. I've been listening to you for a number of years. It's more of the government trying to overstep and run over the sovereign. I don't know. All we can do is fight them on every front. Well, it's not the government. That's a misconception. Okay. Drew, it's a private corporation acting under color. No, it's not even a private corporation acting under color. The government is the Constitution for the United States of America. Sure. And all of the lawful elements and agencies of government under it, which are adhering to its limitations, restrictions, and is respecting the rights of the individuals and obeying the law. Right. What is destroying this country are people within government who have an agenda to destroy it and bring about a one-world totalitarian socialist state, a humanitarian world. Yeah. With them as the elite who know best for everybody else. Well, they think they do. That's why they call it a humanitarian world. It's secular humanism with the goal of eliminating all existing religions other than theirs. And their religion is man is God. Right. And there is no transcendental God who is above all of us. Yeah, that's right. And therefore, they don't have to answer to anything above themselves. So whoever is in power gets to decide what the rules are. But it's true. And that's dangerous. That means everything then becomes subjective, and there no longer is any objective rules subservient to a higher source. Right. And so we have the rule of man rather than the rule of law. Yeah. How would you like to be ruled by your neighbor? Well, by Bill Clinton, either one. But how would you like to be ruled by your neighbor? Not at all. How about by your preacher? No. How about by your children? Definitely not. How about by Billy Graham? No. No. How about by Walt Disney? Especially not. No. You see, if there's a God and we have rules dictated by God that we all must follow a higher source which we must answer to and cannot disobey, then we're in pretty safe hands. Sure. But if all of that is flushed down the toilet and all of a sudden Joe Smith becomes the king of the world and he gets to make the rules and we must follow whatever rules he makes because he also gets to decide the punishment for breaking his rules. Isn't that a little scary? Oh, certainly so. We have a monarchy instead of a republic. Scares me to death. Oh, certainly. What if Bill Clinton could really have the power that he wishes he had? Well, he believes that he can, you know, accomplish that through his executive orders. Yeah, he's trying, isn't he? Certainly. Yeah, it's scary. I mean, in my perspective, I don't think we've had a president that was good for the last 80 or 100 years as far as standing with the Constitution entirely. Uh-huh. So, we've been on dangerous territory for a long time. Have you ever heard a group of people in your life who profess to believe in freedom ever sit down and discuss what that really means in your whole life? Oh, I've discussed it with friends myself, but, you know, I'm sort of inclined toward the concept of do no harm to your neighbor and obey the laws of God. Well, it all boils down to one thing, really. They do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Certainly. Now, where does that come from? Scripture. Of course. That's right. It comes from religion. Now, I'm not saying that one religion is the only religion. I'm not saying that other religions don't do good or can't do good. What I'm saying is without a higher source that man must answer to, we're going to be in big trouble. Isn't that what the Soviet Union was? Of course. Isn't that what Cuba is? Certainly. Yeah. We're in deep trouble right now. Yes, we are. And getting deeper all the time. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what you think on the whole issue of the... I need you to talk louder right off the bat. I don't know what you think on the issue of what they're setting up for us as far as plans to eliminate the red list. But I'm afraid it looked pretty close when they called the most recent operation Last Dance. Well, that's kind of indicative and prophetic, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, what comes after the last dance, folks? Not good. Not good. No. So, I don't know. We're on a narrow slice of time, I'm afraid. Yes, we are. And it's getting narrow all the time. I've been warning people about this for years. And I can't understand why they wait until the last minute before they begin to take it seriously and then complain that they don't have time to get ready. Yeah, well, I've been listening to your admonitions to prepare for a long time. In fact, I was preparing even before that because I looked at America and said, this looks like the fall of the Roman Empire. You know, we're a civilization going into gross immorality and it can't help but be judged at a point in time. Going down the tubes on a roller coaster. Yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that that vision of George Washington may be valid at a point in time where, you know, after some serious destruction that we finally can repent and turn back to God and bring it back, you know, recover the nation. Let's hope. Well, I think we can. There are enough good people who refuse to do nothing and will stand up and do whatever is necessary to restore constitutional Republican government. Not engage in revolution. Right. Not engage in overthrow of the government to establish some other kind of system, but to lawfully restore constitutional Republican government. Aging strictly to the Constitution. Yes. And letting everything else go. Yes. Yeah, we're... I'm afraid we're in a really strong, a serious storm here. Well, we're in for a bumpy ride. But if we're doing the right thing, if we're fighting on the side of right against the side of evil... We can't lose and they can't win. We can't lose no matter what. Right. If I die in that fight tomorrow morning, I have won and I am free. Absolutely. Yeah. And when they serve the devil, there's no possibility of ever winning. That's correct. We have that hope at least. They will lose. Right. And ultimately, they will find out that their whole philosophy was wrong and they will condemn their souls to eternal damnation. Yeah. Perdition. Yeah, well... They will just cease to exist. That's what happens. They will die and cease to exist. Well, God bless you, dear Bill. I appreciate your efforts in waking people up and informing them. Well, God bless you, too. And thank you for calling. Thank you, Bill. I just can't understand. You know, I know a lot of people who say they believe in God who think that when they die, that's it. It can't be it. It's impossible. You see, folks, if all there was in the beginning was God, then everything in the universe that was created by God had to come from one source and one source only because it was the only thing that existed. And that was God. God cannot die. You can only die if you reject God and cease to have that spark of God within you. We are all, everything that exists, a piece of God. God created everything that there is. God was the only thing that existed to create it from. Therefore, everything that exists in this entire universe, including people, are little pieces of God. Man cannot become God because no part can ever become equal to or greater than the whole. So all you people who think that you're going to become God someday, you are wrong. It will never happen. The best that you can hope for, which is the greatest thing that could ever happen, is that you return to the source from which you came. Good evening. You're on the air. Hello, Bill. How are you? I'm fine. How's the weather out in Arizona? Well, it was just a beautiful day. Sunshine and a little partly cloudy in the morning, but in the afternoon it cleared up and it was really nice. Well, you know, it's nice back here in central Missouri. I'm calling you from up here around Springfield, Missouri. Uh-huh. And, uh, Bill, you know about every year down here south of Springfield, they have a big shindig. The American Legion does at Branson, Missouri. I'm sure you've heard of it. Yes, I have. And they go all out and they more or less honor World War II veterans, but they don't honor the Vietnam veterans or the Korean veterans like they should. And my own personal opinion is I think that the boys who fought in Korea and Vietnam were really the heroes because they were fighting communism. But down here it seems to be like we never let this thing die between Germany, England, and, uh, the United States. You know what my opinion is? I'm listening. Who cares what they do? It makes a difference when, uh, when our young men get slotted and they mistreat them like they do even around the, uh, veteran hospitals and everything else. Well, you can't get slotted by, well, you should never be slotted by the veterans' hospital because the fact that you served and were injured in the line of duty entitles you to benefits at the veterans' hospital if you so desire to accept those benefits from Big Brother and give up a portion of your freedom, which is exactly what you do when you do those kinds of things. But, uh, you can't be slighted by the VFW unless somewhere in you there is a sense of insecurity that means you must be accepted by those clowns. And that's what they are, clowns. Why would you want to be, or feel a need to be accepted by a bunch of clowns who are letting this country go down the tubes while they belong to an organization with an agenda which is self-serving, and basically all they do is pay dues and sit around and brag about how good they were in the war and don't do anything else beyond that. Well, Bill, I agree with you 100% and that's why I'm not in the Vietnam in the veterans or any of these organizations anymore and I don't contribute to them for the very reason that you was talking about here tonight. Well, good for you. Now, one more question I want to ask you. Have you ever went to your library and got a book? It's called Our Glorious Century and it's put out by Reader's Digest. No, I don't think I've ever seen it. Well, it's a very interesting book and it's a silver-like book but it says Our Glorious Century and it takes you from the turn of the century up to 1994, I believe. Uh-huh. It's just full of pictures and captions and everything in it. I mean, it's very interesting but on page 77 it talks about the overthrow of Russia in 1917 by a gentleman by the name of Alexandria Krasinski and it shows their pictures and everything in here but what this book don't tell you that Alexandria Krasinski was head of all of the Masonic lodges in Russia at the time. 42 lodges he was in charge of. Yes. And they're the ones who overthrew Russia and set it up so the Bolsheviks could go in there and do the slaughtering of the Christians. Well, that's exactly correct. And I certainly hope that some of your listeners and I will go down to their library and check this book out. It's got many interesting pictures and stuff in there especially on the investigations in 1952 on communism. It'll really give you an enlightenment of what's taking place in this country. And another thing I don't know whether you've ever read it or not it's a book by Bill Still it's called On the Horns of the Beast have you ever read that book? William T. Still? I believe it is. No, I haven't read that book. I've read his other book though the first one. This book that he's put out it's a pretty recent book I'd say five, six, seven years old but the point is it talks about how during this Lindley scam in the United States here out in Montana I believe there was a big base out there how the Washington D.C. was shipping all of this stuff through this big base into Russia but what this thing doesn't tell you that all of these guys that were shipping this stuff through there especially nuclear fission material and everything these raw masons that were shipping it through there Sure well they're they're So that's another book that a lot of patriotic Americans needs to get and read Their belief Whoa, whoa, whoa Whoa This is my show Okay You don't take it over when I want to say something you're going to have to let me say it Okay Okay The belief of the Freemasons is that they cannot allow one side to totally win There must be always a conflict going on Correct And out of these conflicts comes a social synthesis eventually Yes You notice that of the major powers in the world there's never any major confrontation between those major powers ever All the confrontations and all the wars are fought in third world nations and there's never ever any gain of territory by either side This was agreed to at Yalta by the three major powers then who were called the allies fighting for the new world order for the United Nations In Russia the reason that Stalin outlawed all of the secret societies and the sonic lodges is he knew exactly the source of revolution and he knew that's the only way he could protect his dictatorship and so he outlawed Do you think he outlawed the Masonic Order in Russia? After all he was a nation himself He absolutely outlawed it because he knew the source of revolution He knew that if he would be overthrown it would come from the secret lodges from the secret societies That's the only place where these seeds are sown and where these things can foment and become a reality without discovery by the government and being able to do away with them The French Revolution was brought about by the same force The the the the Popper's Revolution the Popper's Revolt in England was brought about by the lodges of the secret societies and it's not just the Freemasonic Lodge it's all of the sum total of the secret societies where in at the highest levels of their degrees resides that group known as the Illuminati which is the source of all revolution in the world Yes I agree with you but I'll tell you what if more people would take the time to go get some of these books and read them we'd be a lot better off than maybe in this country we could make a change but as long as people don't read and let someone else tell them it's never going to change in this country Well that's true but you have to understand that people are weak and they're selfish and they try to get away from doing as much work as possible and one thing that they consider to be work is reading so if it's not on videotape or on television most people will never see it will never hear it will never know it and that's a reality it doesn't do us any good to sit around and say well if they did this or if they did that or they should ought to the fact is they don't and they ain't gonna that's why we have our television project and that's why we're gonna give them what they will watch television we're gonna give them videotapes that's true I don't sit around I make people aware of this thing you know one person can only do so much and fortunately we have radio programs like yours but we also well I know there is a bunch of these dudes on here right now that strictly lead them down the wrong path yep but you gotta understand I'm only one person you're right and I got a family and I got a family to feed and I don't have time to do all this stuff and I don't have the money well let's hope your fortune will rise a little bit maybe maybe things will change I think people are really waking up though because when you get out here and start talking there's more people knows about what's going on than they used to Bill well that's true but it's been nice talking to you well thank you for calling thank you and I appreciate your input 520-333-4578 folks I want you to call and I want you to say whatever you want but I want you to have a discourse with me and with the audience don't call with the idea that you're going to take over the broadcast and just have a monologue that's going to last for 10 minutes because I'm not going to allow it not ever good evening you're on the air yes good evening Bill I caught part of your broadcast earlier I didn't catch the beginning do you have your radio on turn it off and then call me back 520-333-4578 is the number you all know better than that when I hear that echo and the level of the of the caller is way down and I start getting feedback in these earphones I gotta let you go you know if you can't reach over and turn it off instantly I gotta let you go good evening you're on the air good evening Bill this is Bob from New Jersey hi Bob I've been fighting the good people at the IRS three or four years now and I'm kind of holding my own good for you but it's a sad thing to say but I believe that this country has turned us back on the good lord and we're going to go down no matter what happens well that's kind of a defeatist attitude don't you think well not really no it's just that what we need basically is a good kick in the ass well morally we went down to I'll tell you if that's what you need come on up to my house and bend over and I'll be more than happy to give it to you if that'll get things started I'll do it okay now could you imagine if the founding fathers thought like that you see most of the people in the colonies were against the revolution they were solidly on the side of King George yes I understand that but I think a little bit you're misunderstanding me I want this country to survive I want it to become the greatest country in the world like it used to be then we can we have to do it but we've got to stop glossing all these things over and doing a patchwork kind of repair on the thing and rebuild it like it needs to be rebuilt that's what I'm saying well that's you're absolutely correct but most people you see are afraid of that scares them to death people want to watch TV and get a paycheck every weekend and I know where I work God forbid if anything threatens that paycheck they'll do anything they'll tell their mother to anybody just to make sure that paycheck still comes in I know because we're going through cutbacks now and it's like whose throat can I cut next yep and I can't live like that I just got to put my hands in the good Lord and do the best I can well we must remember a couple of things number one there must never be a revolution it must be a restoration under the law correct number two whoever fires the first shot loses probably also correct I know absolutely it is correct for instance if they come up here and fire a shot to try to stop me from broadcasting or arrest my wife and I or to take our children away from us we will be justified in doing whatever is necessary to defend ourselves against them however if they come up here and I fire the first shot or shoot one of them guess what they are justified in doing whatever they have to do to eliminate me now I put myself in a position where they can't do anything without the whole town seeing it and so they will fire the first shot and once they do that they will be so sorry they will pay a tremendous price even if in the end they kill me and my whole family they will pay a price that will haunt them forever and that's what every American has to understand we have a right to defend ourselves against tyranny in whatever form it takes and we must have the resolve to do it and we must be willing to die for freedom but that's true also but god willing even in your case something like that I'm just using that as an example because everybody knows the situation I'm in that's true I get very close I know the situation very well but what I'm trying to say is I don't think the people in our community would allow another Waco to happen don't bet on it people like me and you and others of like mind will not allow it to happen but most of the American sheeple will do nothing just like they did when Waco happened and when I was down there and Linda Thompson was down there and there was about four or five others of us of like mind we were the only ones in the nation who gave a damn the only ones I understand that and what I heard from most people was just the opposite they should do something about it because they're a bunch of religious wackos they're bad people and they should just go in there and waste them yeah what I heard was they're just a bunch of religious wackos they deserve what they get that's basically what was going through the American sheeple's mind yes yeah boy you know it seems to me that the Mormon church should have been the first ones down there en masse I would think so yes because of the persecution that they went through they should have been defending the Branch Davidians but they weren't you know what they were thinking of well if we go down and defend the Branch Davidians then the government's going to come against us again and so we won't do anything just like all the rest of them and I'm not picking on the Mormon church I'm just using them as an example because they were really persecuted at one time yes they were they were driven from four or five different states and they should never have allowed it to happen to any other religion but they did yes they did because everyone's running scarce the nation of cowards you know a funny thing when I first started doing battle with the IRS I sat down I looked over all my documents I decided what I knew to be the truth I said a little prayer and I said Lord can I do this and he said go for it and I've been battling with them for four years and it's like right now it's I'm in your situation basically it's they're on their side of the fence so I'm on my side of the fence the only thing that matters is that we're doing the right thing under the law and they are practicing tyranny coercion and extortion this is true well you have a good evening Bill thank you for your call I'll be talking to you 520-333-4578 is the number I hope that everybody got a good feeling for what freedom is all about tonight by listening to the first part of this broadcast good evening you're on the air hello this is Chuck from Atlanta hi Chuck welcome yeah there's some of the people out there that really aren't paying attention to what's going on I did get that movie Panama Deception yes sir the most interesting part was at the end where they showed the people living in a hangar because their houses were destroyed and they had nothing to do with what even happened that's right but they didn't have enough brains to have the guns and to fight that's right and they weren't just living in that hangar that hangar was a concentration camp where they took all those poor people who had been whose homes and neighborhoods had been destroyed and were holding them prisoner in those hangars they could not leave yes I noticed that because in one section of the tape that I got the only reason that it got on tape was because the people were in the hangar realized and they surrounded the news people yeah got the military to push back yeah and it's the people need to realize if you yourself are not willing to fight and not willing to realize what the purpose of that gun is for you're going to be sitting in a refugee camp that's right which I think is the most disgusting thing in the world wasn't it significant that there were none of Noriega's soldiers in prison probably there were all civilians and all from the poorest neighborhoods of Panama which the the American military had totally destroyed and they're holding these poor people prisoners the ones that they didn't kill prisoners in concentration camps also the people in the tape that I watched they showed the military going around breaking doors down looking for people in I don't know how you say in like in society that were like teachers yes newspaper people yes and these were American troops right and that was yeah that was our troops that was just a practice for what's coming here right and this this is to those people out there to think that you're in a position that you're going to be saved they killed those people yes they did because those people let them come in allowed them to have the power that they had and then when the military did come in they had to kill them so that they didn't rally the people up yes absolutely correct I wish all these Marxist dodo head college professors who think that they're going to have a good life when socialism takes over I wish that they would study what happens when socialism really does take over reporters members of the press the intelligentsia college professors doctors lawyers they're the first ones assassinated correct that's what I've seen in a movie and I remember that from years ago that's what Hitler did yes everybody that got him his power he killed yeah actually assassination is a kind word it it uh it means that you know something you at least have a chance they were executed is the correct term yes that that and the mass graves they had that on the tape that I watched that you know the military was hiding mass graves said oh we didn't do this and even that tape was what maybe seven eight years old and the government our government the people that rented they kept saying democracy this and that and that just oh you know six years ago when they really didn't notice that they kept saying that in front of me and then once it was brought up to my attention to notice that's all they ever say democracy that isn't even in the declaration of independence it isn't even in the article of confederation or constitution that word doesn't even exist in any of the documentation that's right that is absolutely correct and if you'll read article four section four of the constitution for the united states of america you'll see that the constitution for the united states of america does not guarantee us a democracy it guarantees us a republican form of government it's in the constitution read it when you bring that up to people and then they see it and they're like you're right and it's like well they're just saying that no they know what they're doing they're playing games with you games with us and you know when you really don't know because i didn't know and then once they started noticing what to pay attention to then you just shake your head i've talked to people and i've talked to some people work about the black helicopters and they says well what are you worried about i've talked to guys in the rec military because i where i work and they're like i did that as you were to tell me you flew over scraping the shingles on people's houses with your skids and you didn't think there was anything wrong with that and they said no well they'll find out one day and and frankly if they were if they were very old they're lying to you because this is a a new type of exercise that just started really in this in this decade right well they they just started they uh they're usually 20 years ex-military and well i've been working for where i work for six eight months yeah so they may have been some of the guys that did that no not if they're 20 years only young people fly those helicopters and only young people engage in combat those older dudes sitting staff jobs somewhere yes you gotta figure the the older game when you get older you should be in a different position and be flying around out there doing any of that wild stuff yeah but uh if you look okay i'll let you go and somebody else call okay thanks for calling thanks yeah if you'll look who's participating in all these exercises folks you won't see any people 40 50 years old uh you see a lot of young gung-ho nazi stormtrooper types that are chosen because they won't question orders and uh they think they're doing the right thing little do they know good evening you're on the air miss cooper yes sir yes sir i want to first thank you for uh for your website and all the research you've been doing i really appreciate it very hard to get a lot of this information until you start to get that out there yes it is well i wanted to uh comment on uh or make a give you an observation that i made um with regarding you're speaking about all this subjectivism um i'm a uh a scientist actually i'm a student in a combined degree program uh medical school and graduate school and uh one of the things that really turned me on to science was a professor who started the class by saying um to really begin to even do science first you have to realize one thing that part of what he's going to say and what he's going to be teaching is fact is in reality going to be wrong and he says the problem is that he didn't know what part of it was going to be wrong and he didn't even know how much of it was going to be wrong that's right but there are two important things implicit uh or that implied and and what he said there um number one is that there is an objective reality an objective truth that uh is totally independent of what any of us think that's correct whether anyone understands it or ever will the reality is going to be the same and the truth is going to be the same that's correct number one there's objective truth and number two the best way to understand that and to get to that is uh is through humility you have to say well i'm i'm very uh limited in my ability to understand the truth yeah and uh and those are that's the fundamental epistemology of uh christianity basically that's true um and we're out of time okay thank you very much for coming all right good luck and thank you an awful lot for for your comments that's it folks good night and god bless each and every single one of you and to the youngس praise the lord Praise the Lord, that's the ammunition, and the law stays free. 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