The End The End Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome once again to the Hour of the Time. I'm your host, William Cooper. Now as you can hear, my voice still isn't back to normal, so tonight you're going to get another interview. And this interview is with one of the giants of aviation. You're going to like this, I believe. And I would also caution you that he could be one of the biggest agents of disinformation regarding the presence of extraterrestrials visiting this earth. But to his great credit, he is the first person who will tell you that, as you will find out during this interview. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But he fell out of his tracks And I couldn't believe what he'd seen Ran on the ground And I shook him for caring for his life And he ran on away And I was dreaming And he came out of the sky And he fell out of the ground And he tried to stay With my heart, yeah And he came to make up the beat Of the raising the Lord And he fell out of the ground And he came to make up the beat And he fell out of the ground And he ran on away And he fell out of the ground Yarn Lear, welcome to the hour of the sun Thanks, Bill. Nice being here. As you can hear, my voice is not too good So I'm going to keep my participation In this interview to a minimum And I'd like to start out, John With give us some background Tell us who you are And where you came from And what you've been doing All your life up to this point In as short a period of time as you can I'm going to keep my voice up to this point Well, Bill, I'm an airline captain I'm 50 years old The big 5-0 I've flown about 160 different types of aircraft In over 50 different countries I'm presently chief pilot For a cargo airline here in Nevada We fly worldwide I held 18 world speed records in the Learjet Including around the world speed record in 1966 And I'm the only pilot to have ever earned And held every airman certificate Issued by the FAA And among these certificates are The airline transport rating Flight instructor, ground instructor Navigator Flight engineer Dispatcher Mechanic Control power operator Parachute rigger And I hold the BATCO award That's the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Association award For outstanding airmanship for that in 1968 As you know, I flew missions worldwide For the CIA and other government agencies I flew in Southeast Asia I flew there between 1966 and 1973 And I've had a lot of experience in flying in Europe The Middle East, Afghanistan The Far East, Africa And both Pacific and Atlantic Ocean I flew experimental test flight For the Learjet Corporation And other companies But I really like airline flying And as an airline pilot I was what they call a non-sketter Which means the pilot that flies for non-scheduled airlines And I've flown for about 20 of those Over the past 25 years Of my flying, commercial flying career Which extended over 32 years I went to college And studied industrial design But I didn't complete the full course I went on to aviation as a career And I was the youngest Boeing 707 captain To flying commercial service when I was 28 I ran for the Nevada State Senate here in Nevada I was unsuccessful in my bid And as you know My dad was William P. Lear's senior Who designed, developed the Learjet Executive Aircraft The 8-track Stereo And was the founder of Lear Corporated Which is now Lear Steeper Corporation A large defense contract I've done a lot of writing I've written about airplanes And other subjects I was Middle East correspondent For Combat Illustrated Between 1975 and 1977 When I was stationed in Beirut With TMA, Transplanetarian Airlines And you know My dad was really interested in UFOs And used to discuss it a lot The great concern of the Pentagon Because he was a defense contractor But my interest didn't come around Until oh, about 1985 A friend of mine Who I had flown in love with Came through Nellis Air Force Base He was changing from the regular Air Force Into the International Guard And he called me up Came over And we had a few beers And started talking about Where we've been Since we've seen each other And I asked him Where all he'd been stationed And one of the places He mentioned was Bentwaters Now Bentwaters As you know Is an Air Force base About 70 miles northeast of London In which we have a few planes And tactical wings stationed at And this was supposedly a place Where a saucer had supposedly Landed in 1980 And I had heard about the incident So when Greg said You know Bentwaters He said Oh that's supposedly Where that saucer landed in 1980 He said No John That supposedly it did He said I didn't see it Because I was confined in quarters But I have You know I know the guy that did see it And he gave me the names Of General Gordon Williams And Major Chet Conrad And Colonel Chuck Hawke And I looked at Greg I said You mean this stuff is real There are saucers and aliens He said Well apparently so So I kind of I thought I knew a lot About secret things And secret goings on But this one I completely missed So I spent the next two years Kind of researching around Writing letters Taking field trips Trying to find out If there was such a thing As flying saucers and aliens And my trips took me to Arizona Colorado New Mexico California And this was towards the end of 1987 And when I got back I wrote what became known As the infamous John Lear hypothesis And released it to a couple of friends of mine And they released it on a PBS And it was apparently downhill from there on But essentially What I thought I found out Was that the government Had been dealing with extraterrestrials Since 1964 And that apparently We did have an agreement with them In which we would trade We would help them keep their secret Of their existence In trade for high level technology And that was the basis Of the hypothesis I'm not sure whether In fact That is What is happening One of the things I've tried to do Is file everything But not believe anything As you know Robert N. Wilson Says you are a prisoner Of your beliefs And I've really found that To be true That if you get stuck In any one single belief You're imprisoned That everything Everything seems to To orient towards that belief So I've tried to keep an open mind On this Whether in fact There are aliens I don't know that for a fact Whether in fact There are extraterrestrial vehicles I don't know that for a fact But some of the evidence Points that way Well we know for sure That UFOs are real That can be proven By a short trip Of about 140 miles North-northwest There's no question about that The question is Whether they're extraterrestrial Or not That's correct What kind of credence Can you put into the sources Of your information John I mean Who are these people Well you have to realize That it's very difficult To establish Whether somebody Is telling the truth Or whether Is a disinformation agent Disinformation agent In my particular case Since I am relatively High profile And have a famous name I'm not sure Whether that's a help or not But I'm an easy target For disinformation So to say that I have You know The best of sources Would not be accurate I might have the best Of disinformation sources But I do have A variety of sources Some tell me There are in fact Extra-perfect Vehicles Up at the test By Some tell me That there are not So what I say Is you know I try to file everything And believe nothing Well my listeners Are certainly Used to hearing that Because my admonition To them Is to listen to everyone Read everything Believe in nothing Until they can verify It for themselves That's very sound advice That's advice That I try to file Well in a period of time When there's so much Disinformation And manipulation In an effort To tear down The sovereign status Of nations And bring about A one world government It's difficult At best Even if you Spend all of your time Digging for the truth To really know When you've reached it And I think everybody Had better begin To understand that John What are What are some of the The more memorable Moments In your dealings With this UFO business That you can Remember Some of the characters Or some of the stories Or Maybe we can inject A little bit of humor Into this Before we get A little more serious Yeah Well I'm trying to think I think one of the More memorable times Was when I first got into this And had read A book called Communion And it was Very interesting As a matter of fact I read it on a flight That I flew from Las Vegas to Cleveland And when I got to Cleveland I couldn't put the book down And after I did Put it down I couldn't go to sleep But for some reason I felt this was Something real That was going on And I heard of this guy Bud Hopkins And I was based In New York at the time So I gave him a call And he said Yeah, come on down And I went down to his Apartment in Manhattan And we sat around For about three or four hours Listening to some of the tapes That he had recorded Of people who had thought That they had been abducted Now whether these were true Or not I don't know But the people who were talking Certainly felt it was true And some of these stories They told Were so poignant And so essentially horrifying Of some of the things That happened to him It just made a real impression Of me When I first got into this This was the first time I heard of these These kinds of stories And sitting there with Bud Was I can't say it was memorable It sure was And it made an impression on me Another of the times I was acquainted with a scientist Here in Las Vegas His name was Bob Lazar Who claimed to work At the test site And one night He took us out To see one of the Alleged test flights Of these vehicles He said it was going to Lie just after sunset This was March 22nd, 1989 We went out there Parked our vehicle And sure enough About 15 minutes later This orange glowing disc Rises up from behind The mountains And performs a few maneuvers And then goes back down I thought that was Pretty spectacular Bob said it was Extraterrestrial Because I had no way Of knowing Whether it was Extraterrestrial Or man-made I can't really Comment on what it was It was just spectacular That this thing came up Made no noise And flew around At tremendous speed And then went back down And that was Pretty memorable Well I can I can vouch for that And it is It is memorable When you see it I've been out there Many times And I've actually Spent weeks In the desert Filming these things And I've made Two video documentaries Of these craft Actually in flight Over the The test site And it is amazing To stand there And see them And know that This is a technology That's been completely Hidden from the public And it's in the Possession of secret Agencies of the United States government And who cares Whether it's Extraterrestrial Or man-made I tend to think That it's man-made Myself But it represents A different science That could possibly Benefit mankind Greatly And I think That it's a crime To keep this This kind of Thing Hidden And they are Disshaped And they do Things that are Incredible I don't know If you ever Witnessed this John But I've Literally seen Them disappear From the sky I mean they're Not there anymore And then reappear Sometimes seconds Sometimes minutes Later Sometimes in the Same spot And sometimes Several miles away Have you ever Witnessed that Type of Bediction No I've never Seen that myself But I've talked To enough people Who have seen Those kinds Of disappearances And I hardly Agree with you That we don't Know whether That particular Disque that I Saw was manmade There certainly Are manmade ones That perform With equal Speed and dexterity And I have Reason to believe That we were Much further ahead In the late 50s And the public Was led to Believe when Vanguard was Blowing up Every flight On the Canaveral Pad I think that We were very Advanced In our Modes and Method of Travel I recently Believe that We were on The moon In the late 50s And you know One of the Interesting things That Dr. Wernher von Braun Said at his Retirement party In the late Or in the Middle 70s Was he made A cryptic Statement He said It's too bad Vanguard had To be the Scapegoat And I think What he was Telling us Was that he Was part of A program That was so Far advanced But his name Was associated With Vanguard And all people Remember is that Thing kept Blowing up on the Path And going up 20 feet And exploding And toppling Over And I think That's what he Was referring to Well I think That was to Keep the Public's Attention It's well Known amongst Those who Really do Real research Most researchers Are people Who call Themselves Researchers Don't even Know what The word Means But there Are several References And several Books and Texts That are not Well known To the public That disclosed The existence Of a secret Space program That even had A director of Space And was Administered Mainly Under the Navy Department of The Navy Through DARPA The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency And the public Of course Was told That NASA Was the only Space program When in fact Eisenhower Had established A secret space Program By executive Order In the early 50s What have you Learned about That John Along the Similar Similar lines As a matter of Fact to keep It secret I think that Between 1955 And 1958 It was illegal To mention The word Space In any Publication In the United States They were so Afraid that the Public would find Out how Far along They were And only With the advent Of Vanguard Network These horrible Examples of Our technology Were being Shown to the Public So that they Would think That there Was no Possible Way That we Could have Advanced Like we Did So I Agree With you There certainly Was a Secret program Going on At that time What brings The development Of technology Really home To me Is my Great grandmother Who Was no longer Living but I remember As a boy She would tell Me stories Of her trip Across the United States From the east Coast In a covered Wagon And her First home In the west Texas prairie Was a Dugout With a Sod roof And she Told me Stories of The Indian Wars And all Kinds of Things And she Lives to See the Development Of the Plowing 707 And all The modern Accoutrements Of our Society Today And I Was always Dumbstruck By this I just Could not Imagine how People who Went through That much Of a Transition In technology In their Life Could even Keep their Sanity Much less Understand what Was happening Your father Made a lot Of references And I Understand that He was on A television Show or Something Was it in The 60s John The late 50s In a Press conference I think it Was from Columbia It was from South America That flying Saucers are Real and They were Piloted by Highly Intelligent Beings And who's The one You're referring To Well that's One but The one I Was more Specifically Referring to Was the Statement he Made on Television Someone Asked him And I Think it Was on Television I'm not Sure John Correct me If I'm Wrong But someone Asked him On television Since he was Involved in the Defense industrial Establishment Just exactly Where was the State of Technology And what Could we Expect to See within The next Five or Ten years And the Quote that I have Is he Said that You would Be able To get Into a Phone booth In Los Angeles And step Out in New York City Yeah that's Correct I think That happened In the Late 50s Was the Television Or radio Program I can't Remember What Isn't that A lot of People don't Pay any Attention to That but I know That this Man your Father was Was on The inside Of the Inner circle Of the People who Were developing The state Of the art Of the Technology Of the World And I Think he Made that Statement He was Talking about Something that Was either In the State of Preliminary Development Or may Have already Been a Reality But of Course Those of Us who Served in The intelligence Community I was in The office Of naval Intelligence And you've Been connected With the Central Intelligence Agency And the Joint Chiefs We know That in Secret They're at Least 50 To 100 Years Ahead Of anything That the Public sees As the State of The art Of any Technology No question About it No question About it And that's Why when People tell Me that we Don't have A laser Scalpel That can Make Surgical Cuts Like they Find On these Mutilated Animals That's Portable I just Laugh At them I don't Know that I'm laughing At them They think I'm just Laughing Because it's Funny But I'm Laughing Because they Really tend To believe That what they See is the State of the Art in the Public sector Is really The state Of the Art of Technology And it's Not At all It's Way Behind Well Certainly If my Dad Wasn't And of Course Neither One of Of us Will probably Ever Know Whether He was Directly Involved With that State Technology We certainly Had friends That were Specifically Hoit Vandenberg Who was Original Director Of the CIA He used To be Around The House All The Time Jimmy Doolittle Who was Definitely Connected With the SOCRA Program He was Sent over To Sweden To investigate The Ghost Rockets And he Had a Very Heavy Involvement In the Later Years With The SOCRA Program The People Vowed To me If my Dad Was Involved In Antigravity Research Of course If So far In 1942 And we're Talking about Like 55 Which would Make me 13 or 14 years Old He certainly Wouldn't Have Told Me Anything So I Would Have No Knowledge Of That Talking With My Mother He Used To Make Trips To Fort Huachuca And it Seems That Fort Huachuca Was The Central Area For Some Very Classified Technology Research Possibly Had to Do With Antigravity But That's As Far As I Can Trace It Now If I Had Become Interested In The Subject That's A Few Years Earlier I Would Have Been To Talk With Physicist At Lear Incorporated Who Was A Guy Names Nielsen Eklund Scandinavian And A Very Competent Guy Is Still Alive Joe Unfortunately As They Say He Died Just Before I Got In Research Or I Would Have Been Able To Find Out From Him Some Really Good Information You Asked Away I Believe In 1982 Or 3 Well I Know That You Had Some Contact With Some Of The More Famous Or Infamous Depends Upon Which Way You Look At It People In The So Called UFO Community Which I Think Is A Misnomer Um And A Lot Of These People Call Themselves Ufologists Which In Every Case Is Self Appointed And Requires No No No Requirements No Education That's Right Right What Can You Tell Me About Some Of These People What Can You Tell Our Listen Well It Just Seems That There So Many Self Appointed Researchers Who Skew For So Much B.S. About So Much Stuff That You Know I Trying To Kind Of Dock Out Of The Field Myself To The Extent That I May Give One Or Two Lectures A Year That I No Longer As I Did At One Time Believe The Public Should Be Told Because I Don't Think They Would Understand The The Basically Religious Realifications Of What's Going On Might Confuse Them As To What Is Really Going On I Don't Think They Can Sort This Out Or Need To Sort It Out On A Daily Basis Well That's Assuming That Extraterrestrials Are A Reality Which They May Not Be They May Not Be Who Knows Who Real Who These Are Many Stories Well I Used To Think That They Were Real As You Well Know I Saw Documents When I Was In The Office Of Naval Intelligence That Said They Were Real But There Is All The Stories Of People Who Have Been Abducted Who Have Caught Their Supposed Alien Taking Off Masks Or Helmet And Or Helmets Turning Into Military Personnel Yes I Have Also Run Into Those People Also And I Look Into The Possibility That The Public Of The World The Mass Consciousness Of Humanity That The Earth Is Being Threatened By Some Other Species From Some Other Planet Which Ronald Reagan Stated In Six Of His Speeches During His Administration Which Is Way Too Many Times For Me To Believe That It Was Real It Is More Like Putting It Into People's Mind I Look Into The Development Of Mind Control Techniques And They Are So Far Advanced That Mind Control Is No Longer Experimental It Is Fully Operational And From What I Understand From My Context And From What I Read And The Documents Released Under The Freedom Of Information Act That No Part Of Mind Control Remains Experimental Anymore And That They Can Literally Remove Sections Of Memory As If It Never Occurred And Put In Its Place A Different Memory As If They Are Running A Movie In Your Head And They Can Actually Put In Suggestions Or Orders To That This Will Not Come Up You Will Not Remember This Until Some Outside Stimulus Is Encounter And The Mind Is Overwhelmed By These Incredible Memories That In Actual Fact Never Happened In Particular I Remember Reading And Studying Mind Control Projects By The Office Of Naval Intelligence Where They Were Actually Putting Together And Ran An Assassination Bureau For Many Years And These People Who Were Actually The Assassins Were Ordinary People That They Would Pick According To Some Standard Formula Put Them Through The Brainwashing Experience Where They Would Implant In Their Mind The Ability And The Desire To Kill Upon Order And They Would Go About Their Normal Everyday Business Not Even Knowing That They Were Part Of This Until The Stimulus Was Given To Them And They Were Given An Order To Carry Out An Assassination And They Would Go And Do This What Do You Know About All This John Are You There Yeah What Can You Tell Us About These Mind Control Programs Well You Are 100% Correct It Works Just Like That I Was Reading A Book Called Operation Mind Control Just The Other Day Which A Guy Asked For People Military People Who Felt That They Had Been Subject To Mind Control Experiments And There Was A Air Force Officer Who Felt That He Was Having Some Problems In Later Life After Retired And It Evolved From The Fact That His Whole Career Or At Least The Five Years That He Was Stationed In Guam Running A Weather Station When He Retired He Was Discharging He Was Shown A Whole Raft Of Commendations And Medals That He Had Earned And There Was No Explanation For That And He Said Could I Have Those And They Said No These Will Be They Can Remember They Can Remember What They Did The Mind Control Is So Advanced That They Have It To The Point Where It Doesn't Bother People When They Come Back Say To Las Vegas And They Interact With Their Children And Their Wives And Lead A Normal Day Of Their Lives They Don't Question That They Can't Remember What They Did It's Highly Advanced We Were Working With An Engineer A Female Engineer Who Worked Lockheed Who Was Having Just A Little Bit Of Problem Because She Couldn't Remember A Lot Of What She Did During The Day And I Think That They Were Not Too Successful In The Mind Control Program There Because She Did Realize That There Was Things Going On But It Is Highly Highly A People Would Be Just Shocked To Know How Far Advanced It Has Be Well It's Time For Both John When I First Started My Crusade I Guess That's What You Can Call It To Try To Wake People Up I Had A Tremendous Faith In The American People That All That Had To Happen Was For Someone To Open Their Eyes And Show Them That The Normal Everyday World That They Live In Is Really A Fantasy Land And Then They Would Sort Of Take It From There And A Lot Of People Are Wakening Up I Have To Give Those People Credit Because Back In 1988 1987 When I First Was Looking Around In 1988 When I First Came Public With What I Knew Sometimes I Would Travel A Thousand Miles To Sit In The Living Room And Talk To Three People If I Could Find Three People That Want To Sit In The Living Room And Listen To What Is Happening But When You Consider How Many People Are There And How Many People In The City Are Interested And Don't Want To Know Then It Doesn't Look Like Such A Big Accomplishment Do You Think We're Going To Wake Up This Country Do You Think We're Going To Affect Any Kind Of Change At All I Don't Think So Bill But I Applaud The People Who Go Out There And Try I Don't Try Anymore Because I Found That People Are Satisfied With The They Receive Reading The Paper In The Morning Listening To Dan Rather On The News At Five O'clock And Then Watching Wheel of Fortune At 730 And Most People Are Satisfied That They Get About All They Need To Know From That Kind Of Information That's Discouraging Because There There's Some Great Human Beings That Would Like To Make A Change But I Just Have To Say That I Am Not An Optimist At This Point Well I'm Slowly Getting To That Not An Optimist Point Also But I Have To Keep Trying Every Time I Look At My Little Daughter I Can't Stop Trying To Make This A Better World Because I Know That If I Fail She's Going To Be Somebody's Property And That's What's Coming I'm Convinced Of It Everything All The Research That I've Done Shows Me That Instead Of Going Forward In All Man Striving Throughout History Where With The Establishment Of This Nation Man Actually Became A Sovereign King In His Own Right Able To Walk In A Divine State Of Grace On This Earth That God Gave Us And No Time In History Had That Ever Been True Before And It Still Isn't True Today In Any Other Nation On This Earth Except This Country The United States Of America And What I See In The Future Is A Step Backward Back Into Slavery In A Totalitarian Socialist World Government And All Of These Things That Are Happening Around Us I See Leading Us Right Into That Including The Election Of Mr. Rhodes Scholar Clinton Here Is Just A Continuation Along That Path I Wish There Was Something To Do But I Not Sure What It Is I Certainly Applaud Your Effort To Continue On And Try And Do Something But I I More Or Less Given Up Myself If You Could Show Me The Path Of How We Could Affect Cosmembers Of People We Would Have To Do In The Short Time We Have To Make A Difference I Would Certainly Rally Behind You Well Time Time Is Short It So Short That People Call Me And They Write Me Letters And One Woman Wrote Me A Letter And It Was About Six Pages Long And It Was All About Her Being Upset With Me Because I Had Said That Most Americans Are Stupid Over The Radio And I Use That Term Quite Often Because I Found That Most Americans Are Stupid And The Definition Of That Word Is Mentally Crippled In Many Cases It's Not Their Fault That They're Stupid But Nevertheless They Are And She Was So Upset With That Word That I Knew That I Had Reached Her And Had Made Her Angry Enough That Maybe She Would Begin To Look At It Even Though She Was Voicing Great Displeasure About It You See It's My Theory That If I Say Americans Are Stupid Over The Radio Only The Stupid Americans Will Get Angry When They Hear It Well It Goes Far Beyond Ignorant Ignorant Is When You Don't Know About Something You Never Had An Opportunity To Learn Nobody Taught You That's Right Stupid Is Where You Have The Information And You Don't Know How To Put It Together You Don't Know How To Think Originally You Believe What You're Told All The Time Without Question And That's Where Most That Is Really Bothersome To Me They Believe They Have A Democracy Most Of Don't Even Know The Difference Between Democracy Or Public That's Correct And They Don't Understand That The Increased Use Of The Word Democracy Is Leading Us Into Socialism Because Democracy Is Just Another Word For Socialism It's Where Everybody Has A Vote And The Majority Get Their Way And They Always Vote Themselves All The Benefits Until There's Nothing Left And A Dictator Rises Up To Take Over And Clear Everything Out And That's Always Where Socialism Leads And That's Where We're Going Right Now John What Are You Engaged In Now What Kind Of Projects Are You Doing Now Really No Project I Have A 727 Cargo Airlines We Have A Contract Out Miami And We Run Fertilized Chickens To Valencia Other Than That I'm Working On My Garden As Usual When You're Here I Like To Have The Greenest Lawn On My Block And I Like To Do All Kinds Of Gardening Projects Other Than That I'm Quite Heavily Involved In Computers I Got Involved In Computers A Couple Years Ago And I Have A PC Mostly To Write And Also My Wife Had An Actor And Actress Casting As We Cast Textures Here In Las Vegas For The Moons That Come From Hollywood So I Computerized Your Business And I Miss Around With That But That's About The Extracurricular Active Well What Do You For See For The Immediate Future You Got Any Predictions For Us In Fact I Have To Agree With A German Interviewer Who Came Over Here And Said I Was A Great Researcher But A Horrible Prophet Several Times And Absolutely In A Year Some Information Is Going To Come Out And It Just Never Seemed To Happen Well Some Information Is Always Coming Out Something Big Something Big I Quit Making Any Kind Of Explanations I Just Sit Back And Watch With Great Interest Well I Don't Think Anything Like That Is Going To Happen Until They Ready To Actually Put The Chains On Our Legs And Then They Will Cause So Many Things To Happen And So Many Revelations To Come Out Most Of It Will Be Deception And Lies That Everybody Will Be So Confused They Will Be Totally Deactivated They Won't Even Be Able To Think Much Less Act That's What I Think Is Going To Happen Well I Just Want Enough Time To Call All My Friends And Say I Told You So I Want To Be One Of The First To Go Because I Want A Lower Bunk And I Want To Get The Blanket Concession Well I Understand They Already Got My Name On The Door So That Is If They Let Me Get That Far John I Want To Slip One In On You Here Who Is Lars Hansen Lars Was A Supposed Researcher Who Came And Was At My House As Was A Carpenter I Did A Lot Of Project Around My House In About 19 Eight Spent Three Or Month Here And I Left I Think He Was In Florida Now He Was Greatly Interested In The Kennedy Assassination He Had Made A Tape Which Purported To Show That Greer That William Greer The Driver Turned Around And Shot Kennedy We Showed That Tape Quite A Few Times I Went Back And Actually Paid Robert Grodin $200 To See The Original Of That Tape Which Then I Since Found Was Not An Original It Was A Copy Of The Time Life Film I Went Back And Actually Paid Robert Grodin $200 To See The Original Of That Tape Which Then I Since Found Out Was Not An Original It Time Time Time Time Life Film And It Didn't Make It Any Clearer Anyway Lars Promoted That Tape And Then Maybe The End Of 1989 Changed His Mind That He Didn't Feel That Greer Did Shoot Kennedy And Retracted All His Statements And I Think He Goes In Florida And Back Lars I Have A Great Deal Of Respect For People Who Change Their Minds Based On New Input And Are Willing To Admit That They Made A Mistake I Can't Remember How Many Times I Done That What I Disagree With Is People Who Change Their Minds And Say That They Never Believed That For Those People Who Really Said One Thing Like A Particular Aspect Of Alien For Real And Blindsocks For Real And Who Have Come To Believe That Maybe That Is Not The Case Or Have The Guest And The Moral For To To Get Up And Say Yeah I Was Wrong Here Is What I Believe Now I Think That Takes A Great Deal Of Courage Well I Don't Know How Much Courage It Takes But That Certainly What I Think That I Was Intentionally Shown Documents When I Was The Office Of Naval Intelligence That Convinced Me That Extraterrestrials Were Real And I Really Believed That And When I First Came Public Of Of Of Of Of I Told Everybody What I Saw In Those Documents And I Told Them I Didn't Really Know The Reality But That That Really Began Doing Real Research And Quit Believing What I Saw And What People Told Me And Really Started Digging Into It The First Thing That I Found When I Did A Computer Search Of Documents In A Library For Anything About Extraterrestrials Or Other Species From Other Planets Or Anything Like That It Popped Out A Document From 1917 Which Was The Text Of A Speech Given By John York City And The First Thing Out Of His Mouth The First Sentence In The Speech Was And I Printed This In The Appendix Of My Book Was Someone Once Told Me That The Best Way To Unite All Humanity In A One World Government And Do Away With Wars Forever Is If We Were Attacked By Some Other Species From Some Other Planet Un Quote And That Was Like Somebody Hit Me Between The Eyes With A Sledge Hammer And I Felt That All Through My Body I Was Just Shaken To The Core And Here I Was Looking At The Evidence That Somebody Had Thought Of Doing This As Far Back As 1917 And I Knew Instantly They Had The Technology To Make Us Believe It If They Want To And Then I Been Going Back And Looking At When White John It Started The Minute That President Truman Signed The United Nations Treaty And The Senate Passed And Truman Signed The UN Participation Act And The First Man Who Reported Flying Saucers Was An Ex-Intelligence Officer Flying In A Plane Up In Washington Who Saw Or Says He Saw Nine Disc Shaped Craft Come Out Of Canada And Then Go Back In The Same Direction And He Described And Of Course The Press Picked This Up And Called It Flying Saucers Now If You Go Back Like I Did And Research The Newspaper Headlines Of Today They Were All Talking About The United Nations Being The Salvation Of Mankind And That All Man Would Come Together In One World Government And There Would Be No More Wars And Then You See Hollywood Begin To Crank Out All The Flying Classic Of Classics And It's About A Man From Another World Who Comes Here With A Message Of Peace And He's Surrounded By Guns And He's Shot And The Message Was Simply That We Have To Have A One World Government And Do Away With Guns And Arms And National Boundaries And That's Been The Message Ever Since Have You Ever Attended A Stanton Friedman Lecture I Have I Have To Send You A Tape In His Lectures Now He Includes A Portion About How The World Has To Come Together And Unite As One And We Have To Get Rid Of All Weapons And That The World Should Be Ruled By A Council Of Wise Men It's The Same Old Utopian Story That The Illuminati Has Been Preaching Throughout The History Of The World And It's Impossible To Bring About Because Man Is Flawed What Do You Think About All This I Think You're Correct I Just Disagree With The One World Government I Just Not Going For It Well It Can't Be Good Because We're Being Manipulated Into It Instead Of Being A To Be A Participant In What It's Going To Be Or How It's Going To Come About We're Being Herded Like A Flock Of Sheep Or Cattle Which Reminds Me I've Stopped Calling People People Anymore They're Sheeple In My Vocabulary At Least The Ones Who Aren't Awake Yet The Ones Who Are Awake Are Heroes In My Eyes I Laud Them I Appreciate Them All My Efforts Are In Their Directions And Hopefully If We All Work Together We Can Wake Up More Of The Sheeple And Turn Them Into Real People I Hope John If There Were Something That You Would Well Let Put It Another Way Inside Each And Every One Of Us There Is Something That We Want To Do More Than Anything Else In The World What Is That For You Bill Before I Die I Want To Be Able To Go To Carl's Jr. And Drive Up There And Order A Carl's Original Hamburger And Not Have Them Ask Me If I Want A Piece Of Cheese On It Not Bad Not Bad What Do You Think About The Cattle Mutilations John Well If You Know Linda Howe Who Wrote Alien Harvest For The Cds Affiliate Denver And I Did A Few Field Trips Together And Was Able To Talk To Her Quite A Bit About It And Thought I Knew A Lot About It It Has Been Very Interesting Going On For Quite Some Time It Is Obviously Possible That We Have The Technology To Do That I Suspect Everything And Everybody Who Is Really Doing It I Don't Know Why They Are Doing It I Don't Know I Kind Of Suspect That A Comes Into The Question Somewhere But The More I Find Out The More I Find Out That The Less I Know That Is Exactly What Has Happened To Me Every Question That I Have I Have Answered That I Have Found The Answer To There Been 20 More Questions To Post But I Almost Hesitant To Have A Question Answered Because It Just Raises 20 More Questions Well You In The Country Were You Aware Of That They Actually Build Apache Helicopters Down In Southern Arizona And There Many Times In Arizona You See Flights Of Helicopters All Different Types Of Helicopters Recently There Been An Offal Lot Of Black Unmarked Helicopters With Dark Windows You Can Even See In The Things But They Are Apparently Able To Change The Density Of The Windows From Light To Dark At Will Because You Can See The Same Helicopter As It Plies The Windows Will Either Become Opaque Or Clear I Don't Know How They Do That But I Guess It Could Be Done With Some Pigment That Changes Color With The Stimulus Of Electricity Or Heat I Don't Know But Coming Back From Visiting My Parents In Texas We Were Driving Up Route 666 Near The Roosevelt Reservoir And My Wife And I Both Witnessed Two Helicopters Flying That Couldn't Have Been More Than 70 Or 80 Feet Above The Ground And They Were Bobbing Up And Down According To The Terrain In Other Words They Obviously Had Terrain Following Radar And They Had The Helicopter On Automatic Pilot So It Was Following The Exact Contour Of The Terrain It Was Amazing To Watch This And They Made Not One Sound No Noise Whatsoever Now I Had Heard Rumors That There Were Helicopters That Made No Noise And This Was The First Time That I Had Ever Seen Helicopters That Made No Noise But These Were Helicopters They Were Military Helicopters And They Made No Noise Whatsoever So I Know That The Rumors Are True That We Do Have Helicopters That Make No Noise And At Night Could Configure Themselves To Look Like UFOs And Fly Around Fields And Could Pick Up Cattle Without Leaving Footprints Or Signs Or Tracks And Could Mutilate Those Cattles And Cop And Cop And Now It's Funny That Not Too Long After These 10 Or 15 Cases Of Animal Mutilation Mostly Cattle Had Been Reported We Began To See Stories In Newspapers About Cow's Blood Being Used In Emergencies For Transfusions For Humans And We Began To Read All These Experiments That They've Been Doing With Cow's Blood But Yet We Can Find No Research Facility By The Government Or Anybody Else With Enough Cattle To Have Performed Any Of These Experiments To Come Up With The Conclusions That They Have Reached So I Don't Know The Answer And I'm Not Saying That That That's The Answer And I'm Not Saying It's The Government Doing It But I Am Very Hesitant To Believe That It's Extraterrestrial Simply Because No One Has Ever Been Caught Mainly Because Of The Nature Of The Organs And The Tissue That Is Taken All Of It Points To Somebody Wanting Large Amounts Of Blood And Number Two Tissue Samples That Would Tell What Kind Of Pollution Has Moved Up The Food Chain Into Large Animals Specifically Radiation What Do You Think About That Yeah That Is A Definite Possibility And There Is No Question In My Mind That They Have These Silent Helicopters I Don't Think As Some People Say That They Are Just Very Quiet I Think They Are Absolutely Silentäsident at all. Most rural people don't care if they see helicopters, but these things made no noise, John. No noise at all. I had an interesting thing happen in April. I parried an L-1011 from Morana, Texas to England and they had occasion to stay at Morana which as you know was an ex-Airport base and then supposedly an ex-CIA base and I had never been there before. But I was there for two or three nights and every night about like 12 or 1 o'clock it would be the most massive deployment of helicopters. It was just like being in Vietnam and I spent several years over there and I get up in the morning and I go where in the hell did those things come from? And the second night I finally asked somebody and they said oh they've got an underground facility that they use and it comes out of the middle of the runway and it was very nonspecific but apparently there is quite a large underground base under Morana and that's the first I'd heard about it but I never believed it until I stayed down there. There must be something underground because there was nowhere else for these things to park and I was quite familiar with the field that had fallen in and fallen out. We have those things here also. While I was out filming my last documentary at the test site north of you there filming these craft in flight we spent one day, usually we were out there all night and slept all day but we spent one day and some of our party climbed up to the top of the mountain and while we were filming a helicopter came out from the about the area where the road disappears and goes into the Groom Lake area, the Groom Dry Lake area. It came out and flew around the valley and we didn't know what it was doing but a part of the mountain on the side of the Tickaboo Valley as you're looking from that little turn out there where we filmed toward the Groom Lake facility, part of the mountain just opened up and this helicopter flew right into the mountain and the door closed and it didn't even look like a door. I mean it was desert land. I was on the same mountain and I saw the helicopter fly into what appeared to be a mountain but I didn't see a door open but it definitely disappeared. Yeah. And I usually on a map exactly where I saw that happen. It was probably the exact same spot. The people up on the mountain, they all thought it just disappeared. They didn't see the door open either and if I hadn't have been looking directly at that spot, I don't think I would have seen the door open either. But I managed to see the door open and this helicopter flew in and it just closed back behind it. And it was incredible to watch this. It was like watching an old Flash Gordon movie. I don't know if you ever saw those old Flash Gordon serials but they had a part where this spaceship is flying along and it goes into this mountain and all these cowboys are chasing it on the horseback and they just go up to the cliff and there's a cliff and they don't know what happened. I remember that from when I was a kid. And the reason I remember it is because all of these things about underground bases and flying saucers brought that memory back to me. John, I think that people have better start paying attention to this and have better begin to do something, at least think. I mean thinking is a starting point, I believe. But we're out of time. Maybe we can do this another night, do this again because there's a lot of things that maybe we should have talked about that we didn't get to. Would you consent to come back on another day? Sure, it's terrible. I can't believe the time has passed this quickly. But yeah, I think there's a lot of other things that we could delve into. I sure wish I shared your optimism or I don't know whether it's optimism or realistic thinking, but certainly people have got to wake up and there's no question about that. Well, I think that our forefathers had the right idea, but I also think that they did this as an experiment. And I think that through reading their writings, it's clear to me that they were well versed in human nature. And they knew all the way back then that we would probably lose our republic through our own abdication, ignorance, stupidity, whatever you want to call it. But I think the experiment's not over yet because it's not gone yet. And I think we can take it back. If people just could be brought to understand what it is that they're going to lose, then maybe they would be willing to do something about it. But all throughout history, I see that even our own revolution was only carried out by less than 5% of the people who lived in the colonies. The rest were either solidly on the side of King George or frankly, my dear, just didn't give a damn. So we'll just have to see. I don't know what my frame of mind is, except that I just absolutely refuse to give up. And every time I get down or think about it, I just have to look at it. I just look at my daughter. And that's the end of that thought. I mean, I'm back on track again and clear sailing. John, thank you so much for being our guest tonight. And thank you to our listening audience. Good night and God bless you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.