Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The Voice of Freedom. You're listening to the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network. The Voice of Freedom. The Voice of Freedom. The Voice of Freedom. I'm William Cooper, and you're listening to the Hour of the Time. Ladies and gentlemen, when I awoke this morning, my voice was gone. By taking it easy and doing the right things today, it has come back. But believe me, I'm forcing it right now to sound better than it really does. And so tonight we're going to go back to the conference, and specifically the date of August the 21st. And you're going to hear the beginning two hours of Michelle Moore's lecture following the field trip to the desolation that is the site where the Neuro Federal Building once stood. We are back in the conference room now. We are back in the conference room now. And if I were you, I would pay very close attention to the next two hours. And if I feel like it, we may go another two hours on satellite. 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Any other questions? Okay. All right. Well, I've had one presentation planned up until about midnight last night. But I've been talking to a lot of you here and realized that I needed to kind of change my approach. Because I've got a lot of people who were here last year and some people who weren't here last year but wanted to be here last year. And now they want to know what I said last year. And I mean, so we've got to kind of find a balance. There are several things that you will immediately notice when you see the bomb site if you were down there. First of all, with the tremendous compassion of the people, how they feel about the event and how they identify with it. You know, all the different states and countries. You know, you go along and you see the stuff from Australia and Kentucky and Tennessee and all these different places. People come from all over to go and be sad. And it's difficult to determine what they're really sad about. But it's an oppressive place. It's a very spiritually dark and heavy place for me to be there. And I know that when we were out there and I was trying to answer questions, I had this really strange moment when I heard the sound of my own voice coming back. I don't even know who I was talking to. And I just thought, boy, you really sound fishy. But it's just that I can't be there anymore. Okay. It's a, I can't be there anymore. So it's difficult. And then the other thing you notice when you're down there, when you look at the, the fence decor is a tremendous amount of propaganda surrounding the event. All the stuff about wouldn't it be wonderful if there was no violence in the world. And everything for the sake of the children will give up our liberty so the children can have peace tomorrow. All the Masonic stuff we saw. I guess I talked a lot of you and went and looked at a lot of the stuff on the fence. See, the evidence has been removed. The building's gone. And one of the most obvious things is that the Murrah building is gone, but the Journal Record building, the Water Resources Board, the Athenian restaurant still stand. And if you went over to the fence and looked close up, you know that if you crossed over the fence and got in there, you'd be instantly hurt. Something would take in on you. Something would take in on you. I don't know what's holding those things up. They're just in crumbles and wrinkles. There's a wrinkle still. And yet for some reason, they had to get rid of the Murrah building real fast. But those things are still standing, unrepaired. The reason that they gave for bringing down the Murrah building so fast was safety. Please. Yes, did you have a question? Oh, it looked like you were raising your hand. If anybody, that's kind of a rough part of downtown, especially after dark. And there are guys and gangs and homeless people and drunks and prostitutes and stuff that walk the streets of downtown in that area. And if anybody got over the fence into one of those areas, they would undoubtedly be killed. But those buildings didn't need to be bulldozed for safety's sake. You know, it's just very, very strange that that's not being addressed. Because obviously, neither one of the Athenian restaurant or the Water Resources Board building could be restored. Okay, they couldn't take what's there and make it back into anything habitable. That's obvious. The only solution to fixing those two particular buildings in question is to just scrape them, get rid of them, and start from the ground up. That's all they can do there. So why they're still standing, I don't know. They can bicker about the $39 million from now up until eternity. Right? But the remains don't need to still be there. But they are. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. It's a big point of contention. My understanding is that you really could have been fixed to the Murrow building. That's what James Loftus said, that they could have, you know, he was the head of the design team. He did say at one time in the paper very early on that he thought the destroyed part of the Murrow building could have been taken away and what was left standing could have been built upon. Yes, Jane? And tornado. Right. And isn't it interesting that four weeks later he changed his opinion? Yeah. He was quite certain that it could be restored. But that was also a real emotional thing, too, because folks didn't want it restored. And the people who lived and were going to have to go back to work there didn't want to go back to anything that reminded them visually of where they had been and what had occurred. So there was a lot of psychology playing in on this thing. The propaganda about the right-wing extremism, it has really, really gotten out of hand. And I'm not sure what we're going to do to counteract it. But this particular book is called Criminal Justice and Right-Wing Extremism in America. It's published by John J. Nutter, Ph.D. by the Conflict Analysis Group. This is a handbook that was given to law enforcement trainees at a special seminar that was held earlier this year dealing with counterterrorism measures. And it goes through here and defines the profile of the terrorists. We all fit it. Okay. And in listing right-wing extremist dates and anniversaries, we have, of course, 1995, April 19th, right-wing extremists blow up Alfred T. Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, killing 169 people in the worst terrorist incident on U.S. soil. This is now facts. This is what they're teaching the police force. Typology of current right-wing extremists. It goes through neo-Nazi, Ku Klux Klan, Christian identity, skinheads, militias, sovereignty movement, constitutionalists, wise youth movement, county movement, tax protesters and resistors, second amendment groups. All terrorists and all these terrorists blew up the murderling and they're teaching this as truth. It's nuts. Criminal justice and right-wing extremism in America, John J. Nutter. Pardon me? John J. Nutter and the Conflict Analysis Group are teaching it to law enforcement. Is Danny back? Danny was at, was he at the seminar where this was taught? When he was doing his detectives? No, he wasn't. He got the, yeah, he got the copy for me. Counsel on Law Enforcement Education and Training, Oklahoma Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. That's who this is for. And he's doing these seminars all over the country. Can I get copies of this? Can I get copies of this? Well, mailboxes, et cetera, has three-cent copy sales for the rest of the month. We could probably do it. It's not for a set. The page is not numbered. But you do well to have a copy of it. Coordinate with Brett on that, okay? Would you see what needs to be done on that? The facts that we're looking at about the event. Two explosions. The interior explosion first. The fascia blown outwardly from deep inside the building. The survivor elm that you all saw is directly in the path of a blast, but it survives. Those lampshades that we looked at in the photographs, they're unharmed. And the crater evidence. Okay. Cal, would you put up the black and white seal for me, please? We need to focus. Oh, I better check this with me. It's upside down. No. Whoa. Okay. No? It's still not right. Well, put the crater down at the bottom. Take it this away. No. Turn it up. Yeah. Now turn it around. Yay. All right. This is a transparency made from an Associated Press laser photo, burial photo. And this was taken on the day of the bombing before they covered anything up. This, right here, is the crater. So you can see it in relation to the building, but you're looking at it at an odd angle. Because it looks, when you're looking at it, like it's way down here on the east side of the big cut-out part. When we... That magazine that you brought me yesterday, when you go back to the table, there's a book or something with a lot of colored photos in it. You can see the crater from a different angle, but still in front. And it's really like in this area here. I don't know what the angle is to make it look like this. But it wasn't at the right corner. And we all know that. It was not at the right corner. Just an odd angle. But the reason this was an important photograph was because it gave us our first indication of what the diameter of the crater was. Now put that colored one up. That's the photograph. Let's see. Flip it over. There we go. This is the crater. This bucket. All these yellow buckets. Yellow buckets. It's hard for me to see up close. Yeah. Right. All of the... Well, there's over here, too. There's more yellow buckets. They're 14 inches tall. Okay? This is hardly a 30-foot crater. It's also not 8 or 12 feet deep. This was the first, honest to God, crater photograph close up inside the perimeter we've ever been able to get. And it was taken by one of the guys that works for Midwest Elevator Company that went in and did the elevator work and told us that none of the elevators free fell at all. So the BAPF guy who was supposed to have fallen in the elevator five stories was lying. Then the elevators fell. But he took this photograph. And I know Bill has measured and I have measured 100 different times bucket width across it. And depending on where you measure it from, it's anywhere between 18 and 23 feet maximum. Maximum. And that's being really generous to get 23 feet out of the crater. Now think about your 22-foot cargo truck blowing up. The cargo truck would barely fit in the crater. Just barely. And if it's going to do a gigantic blast, big enough to take down the whole front of the building and pancake nine stories, surely it would have made a much bigger crater than that. But that's the crater. And when you saw all of the plywood, you know, the photographs of the plywood that said the crater's underneath the plywood. The crater's not underneath the plywood. The crater's to the left of the plywood and you can see it. And the crater just kind of got filled in as they went along. It wasn't so deep that they couldn't get across it. Nobody was in danger of falling in and, you know, headlong 20 feet down or 12 feet down and getting really hurt. As they moved the rubble out, it just kind of felled. So it was real interesting. They'd had the plywood over the crater all those weeks. The weekend before the building was imploded, Stephen Jones for the defense team takes his independent investigators inside the perimeter to do their one-hour trip that they were allowed to look inside. And the crater that was supposed to be underneath the plywood was miraculously filled. But there never was a crater underneath the plywood. So all of the talk about, you know, Stephen Jones saying, well, if they filled it in after I filed my motion, I'd be very disturbed. I'd be a little upset about that. That was never the point. The public in their mind had the crater in the wrong place all along, and I'm not sure what the point of the deception was. If they had plywood over there, it's just to ease ingress and egress because it was really lumpy. You know, lots and lots of debris and broken glass and dangerous stuff to walk across just makes it easy to get in and out for the rescuers and clean up. But they weren't covering up any big old crater that anybody was going to fall in and get hurt because that's the crater. Sir. No, no official. No official ever did say the crater was under the plywood. Well, now, wait a minute. In the FEMA footage, Mike Shannon, a firefighter, was asked by the cameraman, and where is the crater? And what he said was over there and gestured toward the plywood. But he didn't say it's under the plywood. So that's about as close as we got. Brett? He's bringing your money, and that's another reason why he's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. Right. He's doing it. He's doing it. Right. So that's the crater story. Now, I want to see. I'm not going to spend the whole day talking about the bombing. We've got training to do. But these are some things that I wanted to touch on that we didn't get to deal with last year and things that I think are important. You can take that one down now. I'm done with the crater. Talk about Gary Hunt and accomplice. We've now confirmed from four eyewitnesses the presence of Gary Hunt at the Grand Continental Hotel for the entire week prior to the bombing. And also seen in the company of someone resembling McVeigh and somebody resembling John Doe II, which means we now have McVeigh in two different states at one time and three different cities at one time. We've got lots of McVeighs running around. But the Gary Hunt issue is particularly interesting to study because it kind of reveals who the bad guys are. Now, I don't know why they're trying to keep Gary Hunt out of it when we can prove that Gary Hunt was there. But they're still trying to do it. And they will be exposed. But what I'm going to show you now, I'll run it a couple of times. It's just a few seconds of footage from the KFOR video. And you'll see Gary Hunt and his friends walk around the bushes, come right in front of the camera, kind of look at us, and then move off. And I'll run it back and let you see it a couple of times so you see who this guy is. Gary Hunt is the one that's here in this video. And you'll see they both have a little kind of a spooky, spooky look on their face. They'll say, uh-oh, he walked right into a camera. Now what is it? Gary Hunt is a guy who's been posting his papers for quite a while. He's publishing a paper in Florida. He was at Washington's Carefully. He was at Waco. He caused us a lot of problems at Waco. And he tried to see what an incident between the friends and the police and the Connecticut. I think it's true. Those are some kind of either electronic communication devices or detonators or something. We don't know what they are. But they have antennas. They have to see what they are. This is the day of the bombing. You can still see the smoke from the fire that was made at about 930. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the car is still smoking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go to the military. Was that area restricted at that time? No. No, it was too early on. No crime scene take up yet. Everybody's still being rescued at the three hours of the rioting. I mean, this is like 30 minutes after the bombing, or less, I would say. I mean, you still got smoke hanging in the air, and you have the car fires out, mostly out by about 9.20. It's close to 9.30. They don't look good at that, do they? They don't look good at that, do they? They don't look good at that, do they? Oh, no. Of course not. It's on the cross, most of the evidence that we have gathered from the actual on-scene video footage that has not had time to be censored or controlled by the Ministry of Studies and Media. So all of the reports that we initially get in some kind of incident like this, any kind of a major disaster or confrontation or law enforcement action, the initial reports are always usually the most factual and contained the most usable information. And after that, when the news becomes controlled, all of the truth begins to disappear. And we reach a point where nothing is the truth from that point of view. Yes. What's interesting to me is that the Discovery Channel did a special about survivalists of militia and brought the bombing in, and this footage was in it, and CNN did a review of terrorist incidents not too long ago. This was after the Olympic bombing or a trap racially Olympic bombing, and this footage was in it. And threw it in our face. And I was trying to hide it. We know who this guy is, and it's showing up in mainstream propaganda media now. Where did you go with this? K-F-O-R, tell them. Oh, this is okay. Yeah. This is the unedited stuff, and they edit it down to make the reports out of it. But of course, this little chunk never made it into an official report until, you know, a year after. And I don't know if CNN knows what they put in the news news, but they're sure in here. Yeah. Remember the other guy? No. I just told you who you are. What was the problem? He said, try to throw something in the hand. Yeah. And those accomplices, Gary Hunt, who's been with them elsewhere, I don't know how to throw up his things. He has to take a look at him there. Now, the reason Gary Hunt is important is because of John Cash's reaction to Gary Hunt being revealed as being on the scene. 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Last October, Gary Hunt came into Oklahoma City for a secret press conference that was held in the home of Glen Wilburn. The president at the press conference were Glen, John Cash, Pat Riley, Arnold Hamilton of the Dallas Morning News, Bill Jasper of the New American. And that's all of the media that were there. At this press conference, Hunt was asked why he was here, why he was being brought in, and why he was meeting with the defense team. And his sort of flippant response was, we're going to try to embarrass the government because they should have interrogated me since I look so much like the man in the KFOR video. Well, he is the man in the KFOR video. Okay? We knew that he was the man in the KFOR video. But this was his story. While he was in Oklahoma, John Cash drove him to and from Elohim City twice at the expense of the defense team. We don't know what those visits were about. But after those visits occurred, then all of a sudden we have, we bring Richard Wayne Snell back into the picture. And the bombing was a farewell present to him on the day of his execution in the Cummins Correctional Facility in Arkansas. We've got Andrea Strassmeyer who's supposed to be connected with McVeigh because they stole the knife and traded some clothes at a gun show. McVeigh was supposed to have called him the week before the bombing. And allegedly, the story goes, was looking for shelter after he did the dirty deed. But if that was the case, he was headed in the wrong direction because he was going north on 35 and to get to Elohim City, you've got to go all the way east on 40 to Muldrow, which is practically to the Arkansas state line, and then go south. So if he was looking for shelter in Elohim City, which is a white supremacist, separatist, they are separatist community, he was going the wrong way. Then we have Jim Ellison at Elohim City. And he's living there under the Federal Witness Protection Program. And his little deal was back in 1985, April the 19th, his little cult group in Bull Shoals, Arkansas area, known as the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, had a little run in with the feds because certain members of the order, which is an extreme radical group, and they had done some murders and so forth, or robbed some banks, were hiding out there at the property. And so the feds were going to raid it. And they did have lots and lots of guns, and they were trained, and you know, they were big time into the gun team. What's the name, sir? What's the area in the whole world? Connecticut. Yeah. Is that right? He may have moved up to Connecticut as well, but he's always called Florida. Well, yeah, that's right. That's right. Do you remember the incident that occurred in Alabama with a couple of supposed patrons that blew into Oklahoma, Alabama, a husband and wife, and they had a confrontation with a cop there, and they had some literature or whatever, and I think, you know, they shot the cop and killed them, and the cops, so it's their motel room, came up with not racist stuff, which they put out, but apparently they came up with just the general constitution, and just the general patriot and white-wing stuff. Gary Hunt came to Oklahoma, Alabama, and stayed there for about two or three weeks while these people were there because he was online, and he was posting stuff, and he was down there, and he kept trying to go and visit these people, and I don't know what the deal was. I think they were out of Florida, and he had come up out of Florida. I don't know, but he was there in two or three weeks, then. If I'd thought about it before this morning, I would have brought it with me, but Hunt also faxed over the Patriot Fax Network, a fax on April the 19th, saying what a good thing it was that the building had been blown up. He thought that was great. Well, anyway, he was in Oklahoma City for this press conference, this secret press conference in October. On November the 6th, which was a Monday, I called Wilburn because I didn't know he'd been here. I didn't know Hunt had been here, and I called Glen Wilburn, and I told him that we had positively ID'd Gary Hunt. And out of the clear blue, he says, oh, no, it's not him. We have found two workers on the maintenance staff of the general record building who are just the spitting image for Gary Hunt and his accomplice. I said, well, great. What are their names? Let me interview them. He's got a phone number. Well, I have to get back to you on that. He never got back to me on that. That was the beginning of a big problem with Gary Hunt, and it was the real revelation of the true character of John Cash. Now, does everybody in here know who John Cash is? No. Okay. John Cash is allegedly a freelance writer who blew into town between the 15th and 30th of June, 95, with the excuse that he was going to do research to write a book about the bombing. He supposedly came out of the town of Idabel, which is in the far southeastern corner of Oklahoma. He supposedly had published some news stories in the Macalester paper and the Idabel paper and so forth and so on. And he hitched his wagon right away to Representative Charles Key and Glenn Wilburn because they were the most visible and vocal at that time in asking the questions. And Cash showed up right about the time that Edie Smith was, you know, she made that big speech on the day of the implosion, where were all the BATF agents? And the BATF had been out to visit her in her home, and they'd been to see Glenn in his home and gave them all these excuses about where everybody was. And, oh yeah, we had some guys that were hurt in the building and it's okay and we're not really trying to keep things from you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, John Cash. And I was like, John Cash. Nicest guy you're ever like, Lisa Meatt. But, slimy. I didn't like him instantly. And several other people I've talked to had that. It's just a subjective thing. You know, when I met John Cash in Charles Key's office, we shook hands and my instant reaction was that I felt like I needed to go wash. Just oily kind of a guy. Reminded me of my, one of the black sheep in my family. One of my uncles. Well, on the following Monday, which would have been the, let's see, the 6th, the 11th was a Saturday. It would have been the 13th. No. On the 6th of November, the same night that I talked to Wilbur, Pat Briley, who is an independent investigator from Edmund, who's uncovered a lot of useful stuff and some equally kind of dumb stuff. You just kind of have to weigh it carefully. He's a real nice guy. He was scheduled to go on Tom Valentine's program and expose the Gary Hunt positive ID because he'd done the same thing. He did the body proportion, body measurement proportion comparison analysis to determine that that was Gary Hunt. Where you have certain measurements, you know, between the eyes, between, you know, all these different measurements of your face, that no matter how fat or thin you get, old or young you may be, those proportions, those ratios, stay the same throughout your whole life. And that is a means of positive ID no matter what physical state you may be in. And Hunt had been identified that way. And Briley knew how to do it. He'd positively ID Hunt the same way. He was scheduled to go on Tom Valentine's show and talk about this. John Cash got on the phone with Tom. Said, we need to cancel this broadcast. We've got new information. It wasn't Gary Hunt. It was the maintenance man and his maintenance man friend. The maintenance man in the general records building looks a lot like Gary Hunt, but it's not Gary Hunt and it's definitely not the guy in the videotape. I don't know about the accomplice. I've never seen the accomplice. I've never seen a photograph of the accomplice. I don't know that there is an accomplice. But for the sake of the story, there has to be one. And I question, what are the odds that on that day, at that time, in that place, you can get these two guys who look just like these two guys just to be there, casually walking out, working in the general record building. The whole place is caved in, on fire. People are screaming and carrying on. The bombing is about a half an hour old. And they're just casually walking around the side of the building? I don't think so. With electronic transmitters. How the hell did you get the cord off all the things in the middle? What the hell would you do with me? You got me. But every excuse Gary Hunt has given as to why he was not here has fallen through. He told Linda Thompson that he was up in Michigan. So Linda Thompson called all of her Michigan connections and said, no, I wasn't here. It became such a controversy that Tom Valentine invited Gary Hunt on his program. Because Gary Hunt said that John Stadmiller from Florida had spoken to him on the phone in Florida. And I don't remember where Hunt said he was calling from. But Stadmiller was supposed to produce his phone records and this would prove that Hunt was not in Oklahoma. Stadmiller got on the phone and said, you never called me. There's nothing in my phone records. And Hunt's going, don't you remember we talked about this and this and this and this and that and that. Stadmiller says, no. He did not call me. There's nothing in my phone records. And it went back and forth and back and forth. We'll probably put the transcript of it in one of the volumes of the book because I've got it on tape. Amazing. But every alibi that Hunt's ever been able to come up with, no one will support him in it. And we know he was here. But for whatever reason, the feds don't want us to know he's here. John Cash doesn't want us to know he's here. Glenn Wilburn doesn't want us to know he's here. And everybody who tries to prove that he's here gets in big, bad trouble. Now, on November the 11th, that was a Saturday, Briley had rescheduled his program to be on Tom Valentine's show the following Monday. Again, we were going to talk about the Hunt thing because he'd gone back over the evidence and reconfirmed it, double checked, blah, blah, blah. And it was for real. And so he was going to try to expose this again. Tom calls Mr. Wilburn and Mr. Cash and tells him what the plans are for the next program. Because in those days, oh, you know, all the independent investigators were on Valentine's show all the time, you know, hooting and hollering about whatever theory they were working on at the time. And that show also was canceled. And that night, that Saturday night, Briley calls me three times. I've never had a phone conversation with Pat Briley that lasted shorter than an hour. And most of them were incredible marathons. Incredible marathons. We talked from, first from 8 until 10. Then we talked from about 10.30 until 11.30. And then he called me from a pay phone because he got some threatening phone calls from John Cash threatening his life if he didn't drop the John Cash information. And so I told him to go back home, to play me the messages on his phone box into my phone box so I could have him on tape, and to call the cops and have them come out there and tell them the whole hunt story and everything, and to leave the phone line open so I could take the interview with the police. And this he did. And this he did. Are there any children in the room at all right now? Everybody's gone? Okay, I want you to hear the three phone calls. Oh, how young? The language is extremely bad. Great, great. This is common. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Are we sure? Okay. It's pretty profane, so I apologize in advance, but I didn't say it. This is two cash, two phone calls from John Cash five minutes apart, and the last phone call is Lynn Wilburn. God, who knows me, yes? This is God. Thursday, 843-BS. It's coming. Okay. Well, Alec, why don't you quit hiding behind your wife and kids and get on the fucking phone? Come on, Brett Pat. Come on. Get on the fucking phone. If I have to ride to Edmond tonight, I'll do it if you don't get on the fucking phone. If you don't call me in ten fucking minutes, I'm heading your way. You've got ten minutes to call me, you cocksucker. Get on the phone. Come on. Come on, fat fucker. Get on the fucking phone. If you don't get on the phone in ten minutes, I'm heading your way. You got it? You got ten minutes to call me. Saturday, 10.47 p.m. Friday, you got five minutes or I'm going to call your wife tomorrow or Monday at her place of business and talk to her. It's your choice. You got five minutes. If you want me to start talking to your wife about your stuff, I'm going to do it. You got five minutes. You got five minutes. You got five minutes. Send your gate. 10.52 p.m. Here, Pat. John just left the house. You got five minutes. That's it. He's got five minutes. That's it. He's got five minutes. He's got five minutes. You got five minutes. He's got five minutes. You got five minutes. He's got five minutes. This is the true side of John Cash. He doesn't want anything out about Gary Hunt. Now, Pat Browley's wife works at Dillard's in the credit department and she just happens to have two coworkers, one of whom is the wife of Dan Vogel, who's head honcho spokesman for the FBI in Oklahoma City, and the other one is the wife of John Hursley, who is the FBI agent who lied four or five times on the stand about the evidence concerning McVeigh. He's the one who came up there and said, oh yeah, there was a, what is it, PETN, that explosive powdery stuff on his shirt and all this other stuff. And it's his testimony primarily that Whitehurst, the whistleblower on the FBI labs, wants to expose as being falsified. So there's a lot of irons in the fire that all have to do with the FBI and John Cash and Gary Hunt and, in this case, Pat Browley. Because Pat's not working anywhere. He's got a long history of hassles with everybody he's ever been in contact with. And for whatever reason, doesn't hold work very regularly, but his wife does. And they're very much dependent on his income. And that's okay. But how she ended up working in the same office between two head honcho wives of head honcho FBI guys is beyond me. And what Cash was threatening Briley with was squeezing her out of the job. See? And that means a lot for her to keep that job for them and their family. Well, Briley called the cops, told them all about Gary Hunt, told them all about the press conference, told them all about the trip to Elohim City, told them all about John Cash, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They took copious notes. The taped interview I have of them interviewing Pat goes on in excess of an hour. And they said, thank you very much, and they left. And the following Monday, an Oklahoma City policeman shows up with an undercover FBI agent in tow to interview Briley again. And they buried the Hunt information and will not discuss it. Uh, Briley has called them and called them and called them and called them because he's real past from the following Monday. He says, uh, uh, he wants to force the conflict. He wants them to admit that Gary Hunt was there because he was there and he was there and they know he was there. But they're burying the entire incident. So the presence of Hunt there when you saw him must be really critical to something, to someone. Hunt? Yeah. Making trouble. Hunt is an undercover agent and is provocative. Under the employee of Bureau of Alcohol's Backwood Firearms. Is he having military? Is that man? Is that man? He's probably not even doing it, right? Yeah. Last December, from the 17th through the 21st, I did extensive lengthy, I mean hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of interviews with James Nichols, his dad Robert, and Bob Popovich, their close friend, pal, mentor, neighbor. It was at that series of meetings that we all sat down in Chuck Allen's dining room table and put all the John Cash pieces on the table. And I had information that he'd been in banking. He has no visible means of support. He came upon his money in a great hurry. He got out of banking just in time to participate in the property liquidations when the RTC came in to do the savings and loans, you know, fix all that stuff up. Collected a bunch of properties for pays on the dollar, turned around and sold them, made a mess. John Cash had told Nichols when he went up to Michigan to see him, he says, Well, I just wanted to tell you so you don't find out later and hold it against me, I'm a member of the CFO. He said, I quit paying my dues in 1991 so I dropped out, but just in case you found out about that later, I didn't want you to think that I'd withheld the information from you. You don't quit paying dues to the CFR and drop out. It's not like the Boy Scouts, you know, swimming lessons where you get tired of it, you just stop going. This guy was groomed to be part of that organization, was invited to be part of that organization, and whether he paid or not is really immaterial. If they didn't remove him, he's in. So we've got that little piece of the puzzle. Now wasn't the savings and loans thing, or CIA operation? Yeah. The flaps and savings loans were instigated and carried out by a central intelligence agency, and literally moved to the savings and loans to America and thank for that moving forward operation. That's John Cash. That's John Cash. And now that Tom Valentine is off the air, you hear him more and more frequently speaking on Jeff Harder's program. He was on about, my sense of time has been really weird for the past month, I guess about three weeks ago. And his story keeps changing. There's just lots and lots of changes in what Cash thinks is going on. But there's one main theme throughout. First, he wanted to tell us we had the Middle Eastern connection and he was all gung ho on the KFOR John Doe number two story where it was supposed to be this Middle Eastern guy named Ali Hussein Husaini. Well, that guy's story pretty much checked out. Now there's lawsuits flying for defamation of character and all that stuff. Then he wanted to bring Elohim City and the neo-Nazis in on it and Strassmeyer and Jim Ellison and Richard Wayne Snell. And so the white supremacists did it. And then he wanted the interior explosion of the Murrah building to have been accidental because the BATF had illegally stored explosives in the building. And then he has come on to say that General Parton's evidence is all wrong. Were you waving your hand at it? Oh, thanks. But the cash is no expert at anything except lying. You know, he goes on the air and he talks about how wrong General Parton's information is. And he says, you know, the guy never went to explosive school. Well, there wouldn't be an explosive school if it had men for Parton. You know, it's just amazing. But the main thing he wants to do is to make sure that the second explosion, which they're eventually going to have to face, they can't get away from the seismic evidence. It's beginning to weigh very, very heavily on them. So they're going to have to eventually cannot say, yes, yes, there was a second explosion. It was a terrible accident. And this will explain the asymmetry in the damage of the building and maybe the little criminal negligence or something, but certainly not murder. Oh, it didn't happen. It didn't happen that way. It wasn't an accident. And of course, in the meantime, while he's telling this big tale, the DATF is saying, well, they were all inert. All those things with the hand grenades and all this other stuff that were up there, they were all inert training devices. No comment. Glenn Wilburn is not the same Glenn Wilburn that I knew last year. And you'll be seeing him a lot in Patriot Shortwave as well. Now, I don't think either one of those guys has been on Jeff Baker yet. But with Tom Valentine gone, who have we got left? We've got Jeff Baker. We've got Bo Grimes. We've got Carter. Who are our other? Oh, Kornke? Resnick? That's another story. That's another story. That's another story. That's another story. But I know 2 There used to be a grain fire alone on the ceiling He could play the light on the dark side of me Never made a drum that's high enough to hear The kids will know that when it flows, my eyes become a lover The light will shine as it is I can sing to a kiss by the world of a dream Oh, the mother had a kiss by the world of a dream And now that you're walking in me I'd like to see you in the moment again There's so much I'm looking for you There's so much you can say You've remained my power, my pleasure, my faith Baby, I'm not the one who's in the moment again I trust you now Won't you tell me that I have to be Just to recap a little bit, ladies and gentlemen On what you heard for the last hour Just in case you may have missed it When John F. 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We now continue with the lecture given by Michelle Moore on August the 21st, 1996, at the annual Intelligence Service CAGIE Convention, which was held in Norman, Oklahoma. Yeah. I don't know if he's ever been on Hilder's program. I don't think he has been. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're going to be seeing these guys. When I met Glenn Wilburn, before they imploded the building, I met him because I wanted to interview Edie about what the feds had told her about where the BATF agents were. And on May the 11th, Bill had world premiered the department report on shortwave for the first time anywhere ever. And I had that information. And I was willing to trade that information for their information from the feds. So we stood in his front yard talking for over an hour. And he was a real nice man. And he was very vulnerable emotionally. It was just, you know, real soon. The building hadn't come down yet. It was still there. It hadn't imploded it yet. And we were going to try to use the partner report and file amicus briefs and all kinds of things like this to stop the implosion of the building, the premature destruction of the crime scene. And so he was very, very interested in that information. He hadn't met John Cash yet. We became fairly friendly. And for a time, there was this nice little circle of investigators doing work. There was Wilburn and Charles Key and me and Pat Riley and the Thorstenbergs and somebody else. I forget now. I fell away pretty early on. And everybody shared every little piece of information with everybody else. And we all interviewed. There are some good parts of that videotape. Tony Garrett's testimony is very good and confirmed. Michael Hinton's testimony is very good and confirmed. Pat Riley's testimony is good and confirmed. And everything that came out of John Cash's mouth is a big lie, and we've proven it. And it's all in volume one of my book. But he talked on that videotape more than any other person. Now, with Wilburn, his personality has completely changed. And his relationship with John Cash has changed him and his entire life. John Cash used to drive in from Idabel to do a few little interviews with some witnesses and survivors, rescuers or something like that, and stay in our motel, have dinner with the Wilburns, and tell them what he's learned, and then go back home. And then, gradually, over a period of time, his encroachment, he just swallowed the man up. Cash just swallowed up the family. He now lives in Wilburns' home almost exclusively. And when you talk to Mr. Wilburn and you talk to Mr. Cash separately, apart from one another, when you can get them apart from one another, about the same subject, they will respond with the same phrases, the same words, the same inflection. Exactly. I mean, it's like turning on the robot and turning off the robot. Exactly the same words. It's astounding. So, at this point, I can't trust Cash, can't trust Wilburn, can't trust Key. Key thinks John Cash is the greatest investigator since Sherlock Holmes. Oh. Chuck Allen is very nervous about John Cash because he's very afraid of him, and he is now withholding evidence from Key because he knows what Key knows, Wilburn knows what Wilburn knows. Cash knows what Cash knows disappears. Witnesses change their stories. Stories disappear. People don't want to talk anymore. Stories change. Oh, I wasn't really there. People disappear. So, see, there's a follow-up video that Chuck Allen's making. I don't know what the name of it's going to be, but the information he's collecting for that, a lot of it he's sitting on privately. Now, I don't know how he's going to break it to the powers that be that control the purse strings on those video productions when he's got all his footage ready to put together in the editing room. But he's not going to tell what he's got until the last minute because he's concerned what Cash will do with it. Cash is a real, real, real dangerous man. And when we were planning the Oklahoma City What Happened video, David and I were invited to dinner out to Thorsenberg's. And it was a planning meeting. It was the first meeting. They decided they were going to do it. They'd gotten some money together. Chuck was going to direct and produce and kind of work out a format. And Mrs. Thorsenberg was going to write the scripted parts and kind of put the screenplay together. And her husband, who fancies himself, another, you know, Stravinsky, was going to do the score and blah, blah, blah. And David and I came away from the dinner and called Charles Key the next day and said, Well, thank you very much for including us, but we wish to decline from the project. And the reason that we chose to decline from the project was because at that time, which was August, let's see, May, June, July, August, four months after the project. Thank you. I was supposed to see them. And they were American citizens anyway of Middle Eastern descent. But they could not see it, wouldn't see it, wouldn't even discuss it. And at that point, we knew that we didn't want our names associated with it. And the videotape, when it finally came out, Chuck, I got to see it. And I thought, Oh, man. And Chuck called me up and said, Hey, you think Bill Cooper will promote this on his program? I said, No, I'm sure he will not. I said, Well, why not? It's a great video. Tell the truth. I said, No, it's not. He said, Well, there's a lot of truth in there. I said, Well, so? He said, Well, what's the matter? I said, Well, it's John Cash, you see. And over the next hour, I went through everything that John Cash had said on the videotape with Chuck and told him what the truth was and gave him all the evidence and the proof, just like we do in the book. Took it apart phrase by phrase. And when we were all done, his response was, Well, can't he overlook that part? Because he really wanted to sell these tapes. He had a lot of money sunk in the project and said, No, the John Cash appearance discredits the entire project. And you can't sell something that's only half good. Bill can't. That's why I didn't want to be a part of it, Chuck. And he still doesn't really understand that. It's supposed to be okay that Tony Garrett's information was good and Michael Hinton's information was good. But John Cash is the main star of the show. And he sits back there. Well, he did this and we interviewed that. And they said, Da-da-da. And, of course, it means this. Don't believe it. It's a bunch of bulls. I want to talk to you about John John number three for a minute. I'm not sure what this is. This is a news report. I don't remember who the news guy is, but still recognize the major national figure. Okay, I'll need to take the monster over there. Turn the sound up. Up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up. You just have to watch this for three or four minutes, something like that. Turn it over. Turn it over. Attention this week, however. Remember the Georgianian American man who immediately after the bombing became the prime suspect, public enemy number one? And this is Roger O'Neill has his story tonight. One hour and 41 minutes after the bomb exploded. But, in fact, the search never did end. And ABC News has learned the FBI is still very much in the hunt for John Doe number two, based on the testimony of certain key eyewitnesses. In our investigation, we've retraced the steps of FBI agents, starting at the Ryder Truck Outlet in Junction City, Kansas, where two employees, including Tom Kissinger, continue to insist to federal agents that a second man was with Timothy McVeigh. There was somebody with him. Yes. Looks like the sketch. Yeah. Kessinger's account is backed up by a former housekeeper at the Greenland Motel, Hilda Frostley, who says she saw McVeigh there, and a man similar to the sketch of John Doe number two, getting into a Ryder Truck. He was walking direct to me, you know. When I was walking, I knew he was coming, and then he just goes toward the truck. And beyond John Doe number two, there was also a John Doe number three, at least according to Jeff Davis, who delivered Chinese food to McVeigh's motel room on the night of April 15th last year. It wasn't a fair I delivered to, and it wasn't John Doe number two I delivered to. So ABC News hired leading sketch artist Jean Boylan, who drew both John Doe number two, as well as the Unabomber for the FBI. And we asked her to do something the FBI did not, come up with a sketch of the man Jeff Davis says he saw in McVeigh's motel room. He's as real in the sketch as he was the day I delivered to him, and it's not McVeigh. It's not John Doe number two. It's an entirely different person that's out there somewhere. The testimony of these witnesses about other men who haven't been identified or even caught complicates but does not derail the case against McVeigh and Nichols. But several authorities do admit that one year later, there is still a lot that is not known about who or how many were responsible for what happened here. Brian Ross, ABC News, Oklahoma City. You want me to run it back and look at it again? Does that look like Spiegelman to you? As well as the Unabomber for the FBI. 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And what happened is right before our eyes, she drew the sketch of John Doe No. 3, which was the exact twin of Kavinsky, who is the Unabomber. And that was an incredible discovery. You'll do the film, rather? Do what? All right. So we're discussing now how we're going to treat this evidence and how we're going to take these sketches off the videotape in order to work with them more. And we are not ready to discuss our findings yet at this time. However, I can tell you that the sketch artist drew, as John Doe No. 3, an exact twin of the man who was arrested, who is known universally as the Unabomber. Incredible, you say? Ladies and gentlemen, there is absolutely nothing about the bombing of the Oklahoma City Mirror Federal Building that is not incredible. Okay, you're seeing the snap. Okay. Before I leave the John Cash subject, the latest lie he's been caught in is there was a gathering, a sort of a reunion of rescuers and firefighters, now at the Myriad. And John Cash showed up wearing a camera, and he told Oklahoma City police officer Browning that he was a cameraman with NBC and that he had lived with James and Terry and Tim before the bombing. Okay. Well, that's news to James Nichols that John Cash ever lived with them before the bombing. I don't know why he told that story. I don't know why he told Officer Browning that he was with NBC. I mean, the guy is known all over town. He's extremely well-connected. For someone who's doing such dangerous work in uncovering the feds, he has an awful lot of federal friends who are helping him, cooperating with him. He's in Goody Goody with Lester March, who's a big shot with the BATF in Dallas. He's real good with the FBI in Oklahoma City. And the story goes that there was this terrible sting operation that went awry, and the FBI is tired of cleaning up the BATF's messes. And they want to let the BATF twist in the wind. And so John Cash goes on Chuck Harder's show a couple of weeks ago and says, well, I've been promised they're going to give me the true story here just any time. The FBI is promising this to John Cash? I don't think so. I just don't think so. So the only reason I wanted to cover Cash in detail like this was because you're going to see a lot of him. You're going to hear a lot of him. It's getting desperate. The feds are wrangling now. They've got some very big problems in the prosecution's case. And they've botched it bad. And I think they think they're going to lose. Yes? Is he on Harder's show talking about books he's written? He hasn't written any books. He is on Harder's show. What book did he promote and had in a little video? He promotes Oklahoma City, what happened, all the time. Not a book, huh? But he does promote the video extensively. Harder's show. I'm sorry. There's a truth to the supposed sting operation. Yeah. They were there that morning. They expected the explosion to happen at 6 o'clock in the morning. They were there. The bomb squad, VATF, the FBI, police, fire department, everybody. They were all there. And nothing happened. They were around a couple hours. They all went home. the building blew up. Yeah, the bomb squad left between when did Nancy see them there? Norma went to work at 7.30 they were there at 8 o'clock they were there at 8.30 they left and the building blew up 32 minutes after they left. Yes, sir. What would that do with your internal charges being there and it was supposed to go to 6 to start the way to take it? Why didn't they find them and take them out? Let me ask you a question this way. All this speculation and second-deft is useless. Every time we have this conference, a lot of time is taken up with that sort of stuff. We operate with facts. We don't want to hear the facts. but we do not trust the experience trying to prove our theory right. We don't cover facts and the internal symbols of what happened from the world. No civil law does that stuff at all. It is useless, it is pointless, it will lead you down the wrong way. What we know happened is this was set up a long, long time ago. The people who blew up that building were under surveillance and being followed and the authorities knew who they were and what they were doing for months, maybe years. And it is supposed to go off at 6 o'clock in the morning and somebody double-talks somebody. That is what we know as facts. We don't want to hear speculation. We don't want to hear what is this or what is that. If you have a fact to give us that we can determine what the truth is we want to hear that. But we can spend countless useless hours today going over to Williamson and all of that kind of stuff. So let's try to return it. So now you know the true character of John Cash and you've heard the kind of threats he made against Pat who wanted to go public with the Gary Hunt information. And you know some of the theories, hypotheses that he propounds. All of which inure to the benefit of the prosecution. There is no theory or piece of evidence that he has allegedly manufactured or uncovered that has ever benefited the revealing of the truth of the situation. And every time there has been something come up that benefited the truth of the situation he has done back flips to destroy that. Now he is trying to take down General Parton. Trying to wipe him off the map. Because he is going to be called as an expert witness for the defense. Or so the rumor goes. There have not been any witness lists released yet. But I mean you know. He will be called I am sure. I am sure he will be called. Now we have a problem here with the militia connection. Of course we know there wasn't the militia connection. But John Cash would like very much for there to be a militia connection. And that same militia has to be right wing white supremacist extremist survivalist gun coding neo-Nazi type. Has to be that. To fit this nice little fantasy that he has built with Elohim City and Andrea Strachmeyer and Michael Brescia in Pennsylvania and all these other oddball characters. But you have to go farther back to when was McVeigh really arrested and by whom. Okay. The official story is that McVeigh was arrested by an Oklahoma State Highway Patrol Trooper Troop guy Charlie Hanger. Ninety minutes give or take a few after the bombing on I-35 going north. just outside of I just blanked out on the name of the town. It's not the town they say. Black Road. No. I want to say Billings. Billings. Close to Noble County. It's a 90 minute drive. I'm sorry. Perry. Yeah, but it's not Perry. It's before you get to Perry. It's where he was stopped. I don't know. Marshall and Billings. Billings. There's two little towns. One of them starts with a B. North. On I-35. Before you get to Perry. After Perry. Ninety minutes from Oklahoma City North on I-35. Okay. Just to be clear. And the story goes that they arrested him because he didn't have a tag on the back of the car. He didn't have any insurance verification in his car. He was carrying a concealed weapon. And then the story goes that he sat there in jail for several days while they flashed the sketches all over the world and the biggest manhunt in history for these two guys who supposedly blew up the building. And nobody puts the pieces together. They're in the Noble County jail. And some friend of McVeigh's fingers him, calls the FBI and says, I know who that is. And somehow or another, the police guys in Noble County go, well, isn't that some guy we have back in that back cell? And then they notify the feds on Friday the 21st and sometime around 11 o'clock in the morning Eastern time. The feds move in, take the jurisdiction away, take the prisoner. Then we have this long wait while they're waiting for the media to gather, of course. And there may have been, well, there may be speculation, to move him out of the Noble County jail to bring him to Tinker Air Force Base for the little hearing, which didn't make any sense either. That's what the story is. But the Santa Lack County News is in Michigan. City of Homes and Churches, great big newspaper, four pages long. Santa Lack County News is a little community newspaper that's published near Decker, in Decker, where James Nichols Farm is. They report on Saturday, April 22nd, that federal authorities arrested Timothy James McVeigh on Wednesday, but he was arrested by state, or so the story goes. They said a friend of Terry Nichols, Tom McVeigh, was apprehended in Oklahoma. Now where have we heard that name before? The book. Martin Keating's. See, I'm assuming this is a small-time newspaper, it's a typographical error, but isn't it an odd one to make? In so many paragraphs before, we've got Timothy James McVeigh, right as rain, perfect. But over here, a friend of Terry Nichols, Tom McVeigh, who's one of the characters in Final Jihad, written by the brother of the governor of the state of Oklahoma. Now all of a sudden, our suspect is Tom McVeigh, was apprehended in Oklahoma. Then it says something very interesting. The Sanilac County drama began unfolding Thursday, around 11 p.m. when the FBI contacted the Sheriff's Department. Federal officers began arriving in Sanilac County by 5 a.m. Friday. They set up a command post in the county conference room at Austin Street, Sandusky. According to Sheriff Virgil Strickler, Terry Nichols had joined a local militia group, but was kicked out because his views were too radical. The feds were setting up to raid James Nichols' farm before the feds knew they had Tim McVeigh in the Perry County jail, Noble County jail, and they couldn't have put James Nichols into it at all without Tim. I didn't say that right, did I? Let me back up and try it again. The feds are setting up James before the feds know they have McVeigh. But they can't have James if they don't have McVeigh because that's the only connection because McVeigh put down on his next of kin line on the jail card next of kin James Nichols. So we have a real big question when the feds were really moving. You can speculate a lot about what this means. But I personally do not believe that they didn't know they had McVeigh. I think they knew they had McVeigh long before McVeigh knew he'd been had. Yes. Yes. Are you going to reveal what we can tell her about the truth of the arrest or what you said? Thank you. 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First, we get the breaking story about Noble County guys find out that they've got the crime suspect and the bombing in their own jail. They didn't even know it. So now we bring in the feds. At the same time that's happening, we've got the raid beginning in Decker, Michigan. That Noble County news breaks. About 30 minutes later, the Michigan Decker raid news breaks. And, oh, it all begins to tie in. When that McVeigh news was breaking, people were calling in KTOK and reporting a military-style helicopter parked on the shoulder of the road by the old yellow beat-up marquee with no tag. And a bunch of feds with the FBI and BATF jackets on, waltzing around. They said it didn't look intense. They couldn't see anybody being arrested because, allegedly, the arrest took place two days before, which nobody knew at that time. But we got helicopters there of military origin and feds standing by the highway doing something to that car or doing something to one of possibly three different McVeighs. On Wednesday, the day of the alleged arrest, and on Friday, the day they decided to tell us about the alleged arrest. And I don't know what it means. We also used to send a report that on the day, the official was supposed to report, they know it's not the way that the report happened. Right. The fact that we have is over time to get what we've told us. I'm not sure what at all he did, but that it's different. And what we already know, is that he has two guys under surveying him in his mom and his mom for the most possible years. Possible years. Well, since McVeigh was down there in Waco selling those Is Your Church VATF approved bumper stickers, James Nichols thinks that's when they started surveilling him back at the Michigan. He made him a nice target. He had a little thing set up there on the hill. I know him. I know him. He didn't know. He was going to be involved in the criminal form. He said, everybody who went to Waco selling a lot of people bought. He did not know. I saw the ATSI. I didn't know. So we have evidence existing of much, much foreknowledge on the part of the state. The feds. A massive cover-up. That the feds knew they had McVeigh from the beginning. He was surveilled with photographs in Waco. That they were after James Nichols before they admitted that they knew they had McVeigh. That they were set up the night before they even told us anything about McVeigh. That we had military helicopters on the arrest site on Wednesday and Friday and at the Noble County Courthouse. We got Dr. Louis Jolly in West flying into Oklahoma City on the day he was moved from Tinker to El Reno. And then showing up again the following September. Master mind control. Psychiatric experiment. Brain fry guy. Any questions? One of the main contracts. Experiments.rog HAVE at one time he set up a mind control experiment in this asylum in California where there were children behavioral experiment and he has been completely immersed in this black project of mind control people manipulation his complete resume is in the appendices of the book Dr. Lewis Jollyon Jollyon Jollyon West right yeah he was on the psychiatric staff at OU here in Norman for 15 years and did LSD experiments also if you hear somebody talking about Jollyon that's somebody asked me oh I needed to tell you too there the remanufactured the seismic evidence is going to come up again you're going to hear about this Dr. Raymond Brown over at geologic survey now he has now been convinced that the feds have released to him the real original omniplex record I mean here we go we've already done this scene once now we're going to do it again and the excuse is that the omniplex record that we've all seen it's been published everywhere the veritox published first that we got before the fed sees the original well the copy machine wasn't very good and so where the blank lines are the copy machine just didn't copy that ink very well I mean I'm telling you this is the story bad copy machine it's total bullshit so you're going to see and hear new tales that the feds have released the actual real omniplex seismic record and you're going to see all the lines drawn in and it's going to look like something else entirely it's funny it's fake it's been manufactured but they have convinced Dr. Brown that it's the real thing and they have convinced his associates that it's the real thing what we're seeing is the same thing that happened to us people come from out of nowhere and suddenly these experts nobody ever heard something before they'll have any background on what they're trying to be experts in and they will begin by putting forward hypocracy speculation and they change the whole story completely and it has the effect that over the years nobody wants to hear it anymore because the story is always changing and they never get to the bottom of it and it keeps people just spinning without chasing the tails so we're tired of it and then they just turn it off I don't even care anymore who Chuck Cannon is is what most people will tell you now today because of the constant barrage of bullshit and because they say we know what this is what did it we believe that's what did it and it's not going to get tired of these people to act on it and fix my lawyer another book comes out that says no that wasn't it and then put forth a whole new hypothesis backed up with things that they say are fast but when you investigate it and they're not fast at all it drives the sheep a while so what it does is it allows the culprits the people who really did it to get clean away because it turns off the people's interest and they're funding out the processes and that's exactly what is happening right now that's exactly what is happening right now it's probably now okay I want to play you one more little chunk of tape are you ready with the John Dale tape? I'll tell you when let me set it up John Dale for many many years ago was a talk show host on KTOK radio and he just owned Oklahoma City greatly beloved by all he's now a talk show has a talk show on KFI in Phoenix and there's a great grouhaha about comments he made on his radio program a couple of weeks ago and because his remarks were so offensive and got people so upset they had to bring him in I guess by phone no he came in person to the studio to do a program with Carol Arnold on KTOK radio where he discussed and defended his remarks now I'm going to let you hear a little chunk of a tape the piece of tape you're going to hear is from the alleged offensive show from Phoenix and he's talking to a caller who called his program there okay can you roll that? what is it? oh skip it I'll come back to it go to John Dale sorry about that Brett hey I'm a little bit confused I heard you say earlier at the program right at the beginning talking about Oklahoma City and mentioning that there weren't any innocent victims in Oklahoma City no I didn't say that there was a gentleman called in on a car phone that asked if I considered those to be innocent victims but I never said that children were not innocent victims what about the adults? I don't consider them to be innocent victims no they're part of the system okay let's say that you have a 25 year old woman who's a mother of two she's divorced and she's raising her kids and she doesn't want to go on welfare so she gets a she's a high school graduate and she goes to get a job as a secretary at the FBI or the BATF and she dies in the bombing is she an innocent victim? not in my opinion why? because she's part of the system she's part of the people that are enforcing these laws and these agencies that we're all complaining about she's taking the money from these people to go ahead and do and to be their support personnel it's just like this you get in a combat situation as far as the military is concerned and you got a guy back in the back area and he's a cook he went through basic training he had eight weeks but he was going to be a cook and a baker he never took heavy weapons he never went on to finish basic training with all the weapons training and whatever else artillery comes in and blows up his cook tent and he and a whole bunch of cooks die are they innocent victims because they were non-combatants? no, they were support teams and they were there and they were keeping these guys alive up front they were putting out supposedly hot meals or MRIs or whatever they are anymore they call them meals ready to eat yeah, MREs or whatever else you know they're the support personnel so are you saying that the FBI in Oklahoma City is comparable to the German military or say the North Vietnamese military? they're comparable to the American military in terms of being an enemy? they are as far as I'm concerned John Dale, former KQFJ those comments, as you can well imagine sparked an awful lot of controversy all over Oklahoma City on both sides of the question because you had people saying you know, let the victims get over it we've had enough let's just move on with life and then you had the other guys saying well yeah, the government is the enemy and it was an act of war I couldn't play it the whole show was an hour long I can't play it all to you but the context was that the adult victims of the bombing were war casualties therefore, the only innocent victims in the bombing were the children because the government workers whether they knew it or not, were the enemy the enemy of who? the militias see, this whole premise this whole baloney thing with John Dale is based upon the premise that the militia right wing extremist neo-nazi bad guy white supremacist already said that gun guys did it they didn't do it if it was an act of war it was an act of war perpetrated by the federal government against the American people in which case yeah, they were all innocent victims they got it done to them bad but they're not innocent victims because they're war casualties in a war of constitutionalists against the feds so you have to when you hear these controversial things and they're a dime a dozen love to get people stirred up you've got to weigh what is the premise off of which they're operating remember when Dan was talking the other day about major premise, minor premise, conclusion the major premise of John Dale's whole thing was that the militia right wing extremists were responsible for it and in their mind they were doing a war act against the federal government whom they consider to be the enemy second premise was that all those workers who work for the federal government are also the enemy and were war casualties therefore there were casualties not innocent civilian victims big kill for the good guys or whatever that's crap the militias did not do it the right wing extremists didn't do it they just didn't we didn't do it even though John J. Nutter says if we didn't we probably wanted to if we didn't we probably could tomorrow maybe we're thinking about it maybe we wish we did it I mean you know you guys I think I'm getting bitter I want to I want to I want to call back to you a little hardy break down I'm not coming back to this we're going to watch the little video thing and we're going to spray some medicine right away don't be so hard on your mouth don't be so hard on yourself don't tease out for someone else I hear your voice on the floor oh I hear you feel so alone my baby oh my baby oh my baby please my baby please my baby my baby my baby I love you. And truth was paramount. And truth was that it's terrifically moving and emotionally very, very deep. And at the end, you watch, if you can see, the credits at the very end of the song, after the theme stage, it says, Horse of Troy's Production. Okay? Remember what I told you about Operation Trojan Horse? It's real. Were you here several years back in the award program when he was singing and he was on an instrument called the limo? I have been here. Is it from you? Oh, yeah. The album that comes off of what it is on the cover? I haven't seen the album. Just a picture of a ride. No. Would you take the mic over there? Oh, thank you, Brent. I can do this. No, I can't do it. Come back. Come back. Thank you. Westbrook's newest video, a moving tribute to the victims, survivors, and rescue workers of the Oklahoma City bombing. We leave you this evening. Work the change. Soldier boy. You saved. You saved. You saved. You saved. And he desires And holds it also from home One thousand more Johan was spoken for And they say what good have you done By saving just as one It's like whispering in the thread In the beauty of a storm And I hear them saying You'll never change the same And no matter what you do It's still the same thing But it's not the world that I am taking I said so This world will know And it will not change Yes, I still believe Love and mercy still exist While all the days it's late And so many say That love is on the point Madness of death It's like climbing the stars We're fighting you With the moisture from a chance And I live in pain And you'll never change things And no matter what you do It's still the same thing It's still the same thing But it's still the same thing But it's still the same thing But it's still the same thing And I live in pain I said so I said so This world will know That it will not change As long as one heart still holds on Then hope is never giving you And I live in pain And you'll never change things And no matter what you do It's still the same thing It's still the same thing It's still the same thing It's still the same thing I said so This world we know Never changed its means Would I see If so This world will know That it will not change Great piece of propaganda, ladies and gentlemen There's no reason For you to lose your mind Cause I see something That's gonna change our time If I could I'd make you understand If I could I'd make you understand There's no hurry It's gonna come for sure I know that someday We're gone and I won If I could If I could I'd make you understand If I could I'd make you understand I'd make you understand I'd make you understand I'd make you understand Without whom would I'd make me understand I'd make you understand Good night, ladies and gentlemen, and God bless each and every single one of you. 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