1992, but it has never been aired, and in fact it is part one of a four-part series that was never aired anywhere, and it's pretty old. It's an interview with Vladimir Terzysky, and it's about space and UFOs and all that kind of stuff. So once again, tonight's broadcast of The Hour of the Time was originally taped on July 27, 1992, as part one of a four-part series of interviews with Vladimir Terzysky. This series was never aired on The Hour of the Time or anywhere, for that matter. Nobody has ever heard this before. So sit back, relax. I don't even remember what it is, except that it covers tonight's topic. The Hour of the Time The Hour of the Time July 27, 1992. I am your host, William Cooper. The Hour of the Time The Hour of the Time I saw the stars up in the sky The bright and bright The black of the night We'll see you die To see the flow of the night The bright and bright In case you just turned in, ladies and gentlemen, this is a broadcast that was originally taped in a hotel room in San Diego, as a matter of fact, on July 27, 1992, as a four-part series of interviews with Vladimir Terzyski. This series was never aired anywhere. Nobody has ever heard it before. And aside from remembering that it has to do with tonight's space topic, I don't really remember what it's about. So we should all enjoy listening to this tape. And if tonight's is productive, we'll do the whole series for the next three Friday nights. Take me there, take me there, take me with you in your heart. Take me there, take me with you in your heart. Take me there, take me with you in your heart. Take me there, take me with you in your heart. Take me there, take me with you in your heart. 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Even to you Well, once again, welcome to the hour of the time The only hour that ever was, ever will be, or that ever is This is the hour during which you will decide your future And thus our collective futures Tonight we have a very special guest with us And we're going to be talking about suppressed technology That was developed many years ago And has been kept hidden from the general population Of not only this country, but the world We've talked a little bit about this On other episodes of the hour of the time But tonight we're going to go back to the origins We're going to talk about it in depth Where it came from, who's developed it Is it real, is it not real And by now, those of you who have been listening to this show for some time Probably have realized that once again We're going to talk about UFOs I first met this gentleman During my lecture tours several years ago When I began to notice that right in front of my podium In the first row, the same gentleman seemed to be following me around the country And always had very penetrating questions to ask We eventually struck up conversation, got to know each other And I found that behind the beard was a very good brain That was working all the time Some of his research has paralleled mine And he certainly knows a lot more about some parts of this mystery than I do And that's what we want to get at tonight We want to sort of pick his brain And get to what he knows about this mystery called UFOs His name is Vladimir Trzynski And he is originally from Bulgaria And Vladimir, welcome to the Hour of the Time Thank you very much, Bill I'm very happy to be a part of this Great show, probably one of the best shows on the West Coast Thank you Definitely a non-American show Without any commercials Intellectual show That would make people to think Something that... It's all that happens here More easily one can find such a show in Europe, for example Well, you know a lot about that Because you come from a country that was traditionally You weren't allowed to have any freedom of speech at all, were you? And that's exactly how we learned to look for good shows We would listen to Radio Moscow We would listen to Radio Vatican To the BBC To Voice of America To Deutsche Welle And we would compare their versions of the story And this is how people in Eastern Europe Learn the ABC of practical conspiratology How the lies are put together with widespread Never ever the versions are totally coincidental Always there would be a little difference How did you get to be in the United States? What brought you here, Vladimir? Well, I came as a political refugee in 85 Spent a year in a refugee camp in Vienna Studied German at the Vienna University at the time Waiting for my visa Arrived in Arizona in 85 Studied one year of sociology at the Arizona State University And continued for two more years at UCLA But what brought me here was my dissatisfaction with my own country After spending four years of studies in Japan I studied physics and engineering at Toccai University From 1974 to 1980 Coming back from Japan into an Eastern European country And Bulgaria in particular Fights with Romania for the place before the last place in Europe Just ahead of Albania It's a highly developed European country So the shock, the cultural and technological shock Would be tremendous for someone coming back from Japan Into such countries, certainly Let's get into the subject of tonight's talk Where in history Have you found the first real technology That may have led to what we now call Unidentified flying objects, flying saucers, UFOs All these different names that people have labeled These things that we see in the air Well, Bill, just with three sentences My interest in UFOs was exploded While I was in Japan Japan is an extremely open society about UFOs On prime time television One would see documentary films That would never be shown in the United States From all over the world From Australia, from the United States From Europe And being an engineer And being fascinated as a small child with aviation I developed a very deep interest Into the anti-gravity parts of the UFO equation How the hell do these things fly? I remember the first ever volume of the Encyclopedia I picked up when my father subscribed For the great Russian For the great Soviet Encyclopedia Was the volume on aviation This was my first Encyclopedic search Before I ever went to primary school I worked out at the time I've been fascinated with flying contractions So, after I developed my interest in UFOs In Japan That was in the late 70s After I arrived in the United States in 85 I started avidly reading books, journals about UFOs Collecting a vast video library I have about 200 documentary films about UFOs From all over the world I'm fluent in Japanese, Russian, German, English, and English I can read technical texts In some other European languages So, I don't have any problem For using documentaries from these countries And about a year and a half ago I heard the first rumors That the Germans had developed Some anti-gravity flying machines A very circular, very lenticular form That we colloquially call flying saucers I've been fascinated with anti-gravity before that And I saw that I have discovered Some of the big secrets For anti-gravity Subsequently, I realized that the Germans Have utilized all these secrets In very simple engineering devices That took off successfully And were tested Before the war ended Was there Is there any hint of this going back farther in history? I know during the 1800s In the newspaper accounts in the United States There are stories of a giant Basically a giant Nobody really knows how big this thing was But it was an airship That went across the country A goat airship Well, not good Because this thing actually Many people get out Talked to people It can be found in Yeah, that's the label they use About them in the UFO literature But It's a very important question About how technology Is generally Developed on a planet I'm of the opinion that Secret societies Hermetic scientists Secret Brotherhood Has been Keeping Safekeeping Safeguarding Developing And Using Elite knowledge That has not been Accessible to the general public For the last Five, six Thousand years So I would say Nothing new under the sun It is not the Germans That developed Anti-gravity first The first report about A workable flying Anti-gravity machine That I heard was Of the American John Keely A genius Of the Tetua and Schauberger type That lived In the Late 1800s In 1860 In the Early 1860s He Demonstrated A Flying Working Flying Anti-gravity Platform To the World Ministry It was A device The size Of a Bus Cub With a Lever Control lever Sticking on top Of it He put a chair On top of that Device Sat in the chair Pulled the lever Forward The device Rolled silently Noisiously Then pulled the lever Further forward And it accelerated At tremendous speed Horizontally Then Stopped At the Dime Came backwards And landed All of it Noisiously Keely never Fell off the chair The chair Was not Balted To the device The Guys from The war Ministry Scratched Their Mudheads And said Well now We don't see Any Reason For Any purpose For This device In the future So this Is the Story Of John Keely Is a Genius Of a Very Rare Kind There is A John Keely Society In Colorado Anyone Who is Interested In this Rare Literature I will Be glad To provide Information Later On My Phone Number In Los Angeles Is 310 473 9717 And I Will Repeat It One More At The End Of The Show But The John Keely Society Provided Me With Incredible Information Actually He Created Our Whole Science Of Sympathetic Vibration Something That Has Been Later Excerged From The Libraries John Keely As a Name Is Not Found In Any Database It Is Not Mentioned In Any Library The Guys From The John Keely Society They Had They Had Discovered Copies Of Some Of His Drawings That Obviously Come From A Book They Have Page Numbers But The Book They Have Never Been Able To Locate The Book Itself The Books Have Been Removed By The South Police From The University And Other Public Publish They May Still Be Found In Some Private Collections Or In Some Dusty Ethics John Keely Created Other Things Including Free Energy Devices He Built A 250 Horse Power Free Energy Locomotive He Built Incredible Tunnel Digging Tunnel Boring Devices That Were Using Sound We Can Call Him The Genius Of Sound Vibrations Through Masterful Manipulation Of Sound One Can Achain Mastery Of The Lower Classes Of Energies And Of Meta Obviously It's My Understanding That There Are Hierarchical Levels Of Energies In Universe The Few Interactions That We Know As Physics Before We Speculate About The Fifth The Gravitational The Electromagnetic The Weak And Strong Interaction And Now Physics Speculates About The Opposite Of Gevitational Force These Are Just A Small Fraction Of The Large Number Of Energies Interactions That Interactions That Exist In Universe And John Keely Was Able Somehow To Catch To Sound Another Report That I Know Of The Late 1800s Is Of Course The Information Coming About Nikola Tesla Nikola Tesla Was Another Genius Of The Keely And Chubbaga Type Someone Who Would Receive His Ideas In Basically A Finished Vision All He Had To Do Is Put The Idea On Paper And The Guys In The Shop Had To Put The Paper Into Metal And These Things Were Always Working That Tesla Was Huming That I'm Sorry Edison Was Huming That Tesla Never Sweated In The Shop In The Lab But This Was The Nature Of His Genius He Was Getting His Ideas Somewhere From The Upper Floors Of The Universe In A Ready Form Anyway Tesla Worked Instantly On So Many Humorous Tools Of Physics But We Can Call Him The Genius Of Electromagnetics The Oscillating Electrical Current That We Use Nowadays Is Probably The First And Smallest Of Tesla Invention That He Did In The 1870s 1880s What Tesla Did After That Had Been Successfully Experged From Public Libraries His Name Was Been Downplay I Have Even Seen Photograph Of His Image Airbrush Away From A Photograph Of A Group Of Scientists At The Advanced Institute For Advanced Studies At Princeton Where Einstein Happens To In The Same Photograph Obviously If Someone Is In The Same Photograph With Einstein Then He Is Not Just Any Scientist He Is A Major Scientist Anyway My Feeling Is That The Stories About The Gulf Airship Of The Late 1800s And Are Probably True That These Had Secret Engineering Projects Let's call Them Black Projects Finance Through Shady Finance Private Private Finance Years By The Bankers And The Illuminati And The Secret Societies Behind The Scene The Fictional Book Genesis And Its Trequel Inception By Harvington Are In My Opinion A Very True Story In My Humble Opinion A True Story Of How These Secret Societies Develop New Technologies That In That Story They Have The Creation Of Airships Way Before The Turn Of The Century They Even Mention The Existence Of A Turbo Prop Biplane That Crossed The Atlantic Before The White Brothers Plane Flew They Even Intimate That The Tunguska Explosion In 1905 Or 1908 Somewhere There Was Actually An Explosion Of A Crude Nuclear Powered Flying Device Of A Saucer Shape That Was Created By A Brilliant American Scientist Named Wilson Of Course Two Third This fictional Novel Is About The Research And Development In Anti-gravity And The Creation Of A Large Family Of Flying Saucers In Germany Before And During The Second World War Excuse Is There Any Evidence This May Be A Cover Up This May Be A Cover Up For Another Real Person That Lives On The Other Hand It's A Good Question To See Whether Hardison Himself Knows German I Have A Little Suspicion That He Just Published A Brilliant Book He Never Followed With Anything For Ten Years And If He Doesn't Know German Then He Put The Obvious For Me That He Just Got This Material As A Big Big File From Somewhere We All Know From Where And He Was Asked To Write One Nice Book Probably Best Seller Because This Is One Of The Many Skeletons In The Process Of The Secret Societies And The Government Black Project They Won't Eventually Be Taken Out To The Public That They Want To Wash One More Piece Of Dirty Laundry Do You Think Genesis May Have Been Something Like Missing Time Or Majestic By Schreiber Yes Yes In My Opinion The Book Genesis Because The Part Of Genesis That I Investigated Thoroughly The Part About The German Flying Towers Turned Out To Be Many Times Beyond What Was Discussed In Genesis I Mean The Genesis Was A Gross Understatement Of The German Antigravity Research Development Effort Let's Go to One More Item So Tesla Is Known To Have Developed Antigravity Using An Electromagnetic Principle John Kili Developed Antigravity Using Vibrational Sound Techniques And I Have A Suspicion That Both Of These Antigravity Devices Were Free Energy Devices Namely Flying Transformers Of Energy That Would Transform Types Of Energy That We Have Not Discovered We Know Very Little About Yet Into Energies That We Know About A Little Bit More And We Can Use Mechanical Work I Mean Electricity Or Just Mechanical Work So I Have A Feeling That Some Of These Air Ships Of The Late 1800s Were The First Experimental Devices Utilizing The List Of Hydrogen And Possibly Helium And I Also Have A Statement That They May Have Had Some Hybrid Anti Gravity Drives In Sold In Them Because Of The Strange Designs That I See I Tend To Believe In Drawings When I See Them In The Paper Because People Eyes Are Very Good Optical Image Processing And Data Storing Mechanism In My Opinion Early At The Turn Of The Century There Had Been Many Reports Fourteen Reports The Latest Of Them I Read In One Of The Latest Issues Of Fate Magazine About Flying Sources Being Noticed In Many Parts Of The United States Landing And People Talking In Plain American English And Wearing Navy Uniform I Have A Feeling That These Are The First And Secret Black Project Anti-gravity Vehicles Developed With Tesla Technology By The Navy For The Navy Finals By The Secret Societies And The Bankers So We See A Whole Line Of Secret Sciences Developed These Are Not All The Secret Scientists Are Developed By Secret Scientists This Is Less Than 5% Less Than 1% Of The Secret Scientists Are Developed In Parallel In Faraway Farms By Shady Financiers By Crazy Scientists My Feeling Is That Probably All The Films That Transition Films That We Seen About Crazy Scientists In Frankenstein In Land Are Exactly About Secret Black Project Financed By This Relational Secret Society So By The Time The Germans Came To Power I Have Found At Least Five Instances Of Anti-gravity Cracks Developed On This Planet The Latest Instance Is The Lenticular Aero Dime By Henry Coander Frenchman I Have An Engineering Drawing Of This Device And I Repeat Anyone Who Is Interested In More Information Can Give Me A Call Write Me A Letter And I Will Send Full Information Taxes I Mean Zero Copies Of The Drawings And So On I Have Several Videos On The Copic Coander Tenticular Aerodyne Utilize A Hybrid Helicopter Propeller Lift And Anti-gravity Lift It Was Powered By Turbojet And Ramjet It Was An Invention That Proceeded Its Time With At At Least 10 15 Years So By What Turn Frame Are We Talking 1930 Okay Coander's Lenticular Aerodyne And My Feeling Is That By The Time The Well Hitler Came To Power It Was Well Established In The Scientific Community Of The Secret Society That Anti-gravity Is Extremely Easy To Can That Simple Spinning Of An Object Would Produce Anti-gravity I Came In A Roundabout Way To The Research Of German Flying Sources Initially I Started Should I Call it An Anthropological Study Of Anti-gravity Simply Collecting Stories Makes And Legends About Anti-gravity Flying Constructions From Different Places And Times From Academics From Tabloid Sources From Ancient Astronauts Stories From Modern Day Contactee Accounts From Revelatory Books And So On What's What's The Most Interesting Story That You Collected Actually The Most Funny Story That I Collected Was About It Came From A Russian Officer A Russian Lieutenant Major Two Star Officers Who Met Some extraterrestrial While Walking Past A Cyberian Lake They Invited Him For A Joyride For His Brain Without Any Pain It Was A Joyride Experience Not A For Abduction He Consented To That And Was Extremely Happy At The End They Wanted To Delete His Brain Because This Is The Code Of The Universe You Do Not Leave Any Traces Of Your Vegetation She Didn't Want To Part With This Pleasurable Experience So With His Typical Cunning Russian Deceive Unit Of A Cunning Russian Parlem He Started Desperately To Try To Find A Way To Deceive Them He Came With A Very Us Thought What Else But Vodka So She Says You Know Guys Upon Parting We Have A Very Well Established Custom We Always Drink With Our Friends Great So What Do You Drink Well We Drink Vodka What Is Vodka He Had Hard Time During The Chemical Formula Of Alcohol From His High School Days Then He Wrote They Told Him He Can Ride With His Finger On The Wall Of The Crack And Use It As A Black Boat He Wrote The Formula They Quickly Synthesized The Liquid Came Back With A Strange Looking Cup Only One Cup And Gave It To Him He Had The Most Wouldn't You Aren't You Gonna Drink With Me And They Said Oh No No No If We Were To Drink This Liquid We Would Have Never Reached This Level Of Evolution That We Are On Right Now But You Can Drink It So He Quickly Drain The Liquid When They Put Him On The Bench To Delete His Memory They Figured Came The Puzzled Voice Of The Operator Of The Consult He Said I Don't Know What To Delete All His Centers Of Brain Activity Are Brightly Lit Obviously Because Of The Vox So He Just Deleted Whatever He Thought Were The Memories Of His Abduction Experience And They Were Mistaken They Deleted Parts Of His Childhood Experiences He Forgot Some Missing Months Of His Army Service And So On But He Remembers The Whole Abduction And The Joyride And The Answer To His Question Well How Do Flying Sources Fly He Said Oh Very Simple It Is A Spinning Nuclear Reactor By Dipping In And Taking Out The Control Rod You Control The Lift It One Big Reactor That Spends Along A Vertical Axis That Creates The Big Lift That Takes Us Away From The Planet And Another Small Reactor That Rotates On A Horizontal Axis That Creates The Horizontal Propulsion To Move Out Across The Horizon And Many Other Stories But This Is Probably One Of The Funniest Stories Of A Failed Mind Delusion Of A Failed Missing Time In My Anthropological Study Of Myths And Legends About Anti-gravity Spanning Over Several Thousand Years Of Racial History Has Found One Common Denominator Of All Stories About Anti-gravity List Only That Simple Spinning Would Create Anti-gravity One Does Not Need Fancy Alien Hardware Incredible Software Spinning Of Any Material Body Fast Enough Would Reduce Its Weight When A Certain Critical Revolution Rotation Of Then The Question Is How To Better Achieve This Spinning With The Existing Engines Of The Time And This Is Exactly The Question That The German Engineers Were Confronted With And Basically They Use Every Existing Engine Of The Time I Have Discovered Drawing Sketches And Stories Of Flying Sensor Devices Powered By Gasoline Engines With Propellers Powered By Vankel Engine With Propellers I Even Have A Suspicion That The Very Vankel Engine Was Created To Power A Vankel So We Show What We Call A Way Cold Vankel Yeah So Vankel And This Rotational Symmetry It Can Be Used To Pender Craft One Way While The Pission Inside Spins The Other Way There Is A Question Of Balancing That I Haven't Figured Out Yet But This Is Just A Suspicion Of Mine Beyond The Internal Combustion Engines The Germans Used Any Other Engines That They Had They Tried Turbojet Engines Pulse Jet Ram Jet Engines And Rocket Engines They Tried Them In Outboard Configuration And An Inboard Configuration We Know From The History Of German Aviation You're Listening To The Hour Of The Time I'm William Cooper This Is A Broadcast Originally Recorded On July 27 1992 In A Hotel Room In San Diego California Where I Was Speaking And Where Vladimir Cherzisky The Person Being Interviewed Came To Hear Me Speak And I Actually Taped Four Broadcasts Which Were Never Aired Ladies And Gentlemen Have Never Been Aired You're Hearing This Material For The First Time Nobody's Ever Heard It Before I'm Hearing It For The First Time Since It Was Taped I Have Not Played These Since They've Been Taped I Can't Remember Why They Didn't Air And It's Fascinating It's Interesting I Don't Believe All Of This Stuff And Neither Should You Remember Listen To Everyone Read Everything Believe Absolutely Nothing Unless You Can Prove It In Your Own Research But It's Interesting And I Happen To Know That Vladimir Trzyski Is A Very Very Intelligent Very Very Highly Educated Young Man And So Here's Part Two Of Tonight's Hour While The Prison Inside Spins The Other Way There's A Question Of Balancing That I Haven't Figured Out Yet But This Is Just A Suspicion Of Mine Beyond The Internal Combustion Engines The Germans Use Any Other Engines That They Have Kind Kyo I Think Two Eleven People Fighters Was Built Hastily In Few Months And It Had The Engine Sitting On Top Of The Fuselage So Hasty Outboard Engine Attachment Is Nothing New To Anyone Who Is Well Aware Of The Advanced Research And Development In Aviation And In Aviation Later On They Developed Inboard Engines I Would Mention Several Of The Models That Were Built By The Germans Actually The First Model That They Built Was The Flying Socer Built By Schreeder In The Early 40s 40 41 It Was A Hybrid Mughal Between A Helicopter Lift And An Anti Gravity Lift The Thing Looked Like A Giant Territ Wheel 15 Meters About 45 Feet At The An Of A Ditch Spinning Along A Vertical Axis The Cabin Was In The Center Of The Whole Creation As And And the information that I have is that at a time of takeoff or sharp angle high G maneuvers, the needed RPMs were around 1500-1600, while at a steady state horizontal speed or hovering, it could get by with only 600 RPMs per minute. This wheel was turning into action initially by turbojet engines. The Germans utilized the standard Messerschmitt 262 jet fighter engine developed by, one of them was developed by BMW, the other one was developed by Junkers, the Jumo 002 engine. Three engines were spinning the disc around the vertical axis and two more engines attached under the stationary cabin were propelling the whole device forward. Later on, of course the first attempt crashed because of tremendous wobbling and vibration. They were not able to fine tune and eliminate the vibrations of this huge spinning construction. Later on, they solved the problem and the first disc reached a speed of 2000 km an hour, about 1300 miles an hour, almost 500 km an hour. The rumour is that Stephen Air Marshal Juin wrote one of the discs. Later on, the Germans attached rocket engines, particularly the Valtor rocket engine, and several variations of it, that increased the horizontal speed to 3 and specifically 4000 km an hour, which is more than 3 times the speed of sound. Probably these were small bursts of speed because my feeling is that these initial prototypes were probably made of the same dual aluminum that they were using for the ender turbojet plane. So if they were to push the track too hard, they would have simply melted it in the atmosphere. In what year did this occur? The silver disc was tested from early 40s, 40-41 until 44-45. Later models dispensed entirely with the helicopter lift and relied only on the anti-gravity lift created by the spinning hull. The very hull of the saucer was spinning. Only the cavern in the center of the cross was kept stationary by gyroscope. George, when you say anti-gravity, Vladimir, are you talking about something that real, another force that actually imposes or negates the force of gravity or is it just creating another energy force that... You're talking about a steady mass. Yeah. Creating some force that allows this to rise into the air. Well, gravity, anti-gravity, energy, electrons, mass, these are all labels. Physical variables, but these are just primitive labels that we attach to things in nature that we are trying to understand. Higher and more advanced rates, we will probably heartily laugh at our primitive attempts, more or less wrong. But still we are trying to have some clarity. My feeling is that all these labels are just convenient metaphors and tools of our mind. When I say anti-gravity, let's say that I just mean the ability to negate the tool of gravity. The ability to... Without the conventional methods that we are used to, such as an airfoil or helicopter blades or something of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still I have to repeat that the first model, a usual one hybrid model. Always when we create something new, it would be a hybrid and it would incorporate features of the old and preceding model or technology. But later on they got rid of the helicopter aerodynamic lift propeller blades entirely for the spinning heavy mass of the fuselage of the body of the craft that was creating this anti-gravity lift. And my feeling is that when a heavy mass of the object is turned around a vertical axis, it probably drags around itself the fabric of space time. Modern physics would stay away from the word ether because, like often I'm more to prove that ether doesn't exist. But the word fabric of space time would be used. Or vacuum, papers on energy from vacuum. Well we know there must be some fabric of space because physics agrees that space can be there. Oh. If you can pull space, there must be something to pull. Oh, yes. Even in, well, in very serious physics journals like physical reading letters and nature and other journals, you would see little barredo articles about getting energy from vacuum, which is probably from the fabric of space time, which is probably from people. Anyway, convenient labels. But my feeling is that working anti-gravity drives probably drag and spin around themselves the fabric of space time, creating an aesthetic perfect, a whirlwind. You said something that was very interesting. You said the fabric of space time. And it's always been my contention that these machines are time machines. What do you think of that? A very good point. They may introduce little distortion in time that an accurate atomic time clock would measure as an artificial satellite that has an atomic time clock on board would measure a little delay in time. Even an atomic time clock spun around the globe on a standard passenger jet plane would show a little delay. They do interfere with space time. But if you're talking about a practical time machine that would take us back home, backwards or forward in time, it would take a little bit more hardware and gadgetry. But it is still easily attainable. My opinion is that these are technologies that were attained by both the Germans and this country's government almost half a century ago. But this would be a topic of an entirely different discussion. So coming back to the German flying machine. The next and important model that was built was probably one of the most famous of all models, the so-called Kugelblitz. Or the Krautball, as it was jokingly called by the Allied Palette. Or the Kraut meteor or Foo Fighter. Or the Foo Fighter. The name came probably from the way these machines were swooshing by many times faster than the speed of the lumbering bombers. A bomber would make three, four hundred kilometers an hour. A Messerschmitt would make six, six fifty. A Foo Fighter would make fifteen hundred, two thousand, twenty nine hundred kilometers an hour. For them, bombers were sitting ducks. Even fighters were sitting ducks. So the name Foo Fighter is a very good name. It just conveys the image of the idea of the situation. How fast these machines were pushing by. Renato Vesco, who is the, let's call him the Italian Werner von Braun. The research and development boss of the Italian Air Force before and during the Second World War. And his brilliant book that was also kind of removed from the libraries and has been stopped from publication. The book is called Intercept but Don't Shoot or Intercept UFO. Originally published in Italian and probably shortened in its British release. Even more shortened in its American release. I have a copy of his book and I read it. And he says basically the same thing that you're saying. Exactly. In his book he, he, he, he, he traits the whole development of anti-gravity in Germany. But he's stopped short of many interesting developments. He, he, he's basically talking about the lower one, two, three levels of this research and development. And meeting the most interesting top levels, top tiers of research. In that book. Don't you think that, that, that, that in the position that he occupied with Italian government, that it was probably wise of him to do that? Maybe he couldn't write more. What he wrote about was incredible to me. And he documented every bit of it. I mean, he listed the, he knew what he was talking about. Yes, absolutely. And he's a, a brilliant physicist and, and, and engineer. Uh, this is a highly technical book written in a popular language by someone who is a physicist and engineer. No doubt about that. And there he mentions about 3,000 accounts of attacks of two fighters and air-wide bomber formations with devastating consequences for the bombers. I mean, it was no matching game. Uh, I mean, the... But these two fighters didn't really shoot at the bombers. Well, they were so advanced they didn't have to shoot. What they did was totally annihilate the electrical system. Exactly, exactly. At the beginning they were just following the bombers. The, the, the Germans were ironing out the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the following techniques. The techniques of following the bomber formation without getting too cold, without staying too far away. These were remote controlled weapons platforms, vertical takeoff. They had remote, uh, television, uh, navigation. Uh, remote sensing, acoustic, electromagnetic, uh, infrared sensing. That were 10, 15, 20 years ahead of their time. Yes. They could automatically escape when fired upon. So, when the attacks began, uh, these scuba blitzes were, uh, using extremely strong electromagnetic radiation to fry the amplifiers, the receivers of the allied bomber radar to blind them. So that they couldn't find their goals. Later on, they mounted even more powerful clip-on tubes that were creating such monstrous electromagnetic fields around them. They were comparable to the electromagnetic pulse of the nuclear bomb. The shields were powerful enough to dampen and, uh, to, no less fry the electrical currents in the electrical circuitry of the bombers flying nearby. So that their engines would cut out because there's no more sparks in the start line. Uh, as long as the, uh, the moment the kudu blitzes would separate and fly away, the engines would restart. They would come again, the engines would die. This is actually how the book, uh, genesis test with, uh, a crash of an allied bomber after an attack by a kudu blitz. And this is well-documented and not by pilots, by, uh, by, uh, I think the kudu blitz is one of the ones besides the B2 bomber and the, uh, buzz bomb is probably the most well-documented secret weapon. Yeah. There's no doubt that they had these. The kudu blitz and the flare bar. Right. The two secret flying balls that were hanging like Christmas tree ornaments, like glowing orbs in the skies of Germany, before they started attacking the bombers. Uh, they had a man version of the kudu blitz. And the funny thing is that it's a very simple weapon. It was a seraphim burning, uh, turbojet powered device. Uh, I am not sure whether they carried their oxidizer on board or not. They were either air-breathing, breathing air from the atmosphere, or carrying the oxidizer on board. Uh, but, basically, they used the same materials, the same fuel, the same navigation as they were using for their phytoplank. Although with incredible speed. Uh, the ionization layer around the kudu blitz was effectively, uh, negating the aerodynamic resistance of the atmosphere, bringing it down to almost zero. That's why they could obtain these incredible speed even inside the atmosphere. Was the ionization layer what caused this brilliant light? Yes, exactly. They were using some additives to the fuel that would increase the ionization coefficient. Uh, and the ionization would reduce, it would work as a lubricant around the crack, almost reducing to zero the head iron. And, uh, the ionization. We can talk for hours about the kudu blitz. I have collected so, um, much information on it. I even think that I have a very good photograph of a kudu blitz in flight. The funny thing is that the photograph was taken in 1952 over Mount Rainier in, uh, Washington State. And my suspicion is that this kudu blitz may have been tested, test loan, out of the secret British research and development facility. It's a huge city for 50,000 people that was built in, uh, Western Canada. Western Canada. Western Canada in, uh, British Columbia. And this is the direction from which the first big pouring saucer flat came from. The nine saucers. The formation that Kenneth Arnold saw. Kenneth Arnold saw. Yeah. Uh, and Renato Westland, his book even mentions that, uh, when some of these saucers of Kenneth Arnold saw crashed, uh, some porous metal was found at a crash site. The porous metal, what the Germans called the Luftschau, the air foam, was exactly the porous metal with these microscopics, uh, micron size, or whatever size, miniature size, four poles that were... It's a behenoth. It's, uh, thinner than that. Yeah. Smaller than that. I didn't mean to say behenoth. I meant to say behenoth. Yeah. Uh, yeah. It was actually one of the first composite materials made with, uh, uh, uh, sintered with, uh, powder metallurgy. I mean, the Germans were not only advanced aviation technology, but they developed powder metallurgy that was ahead of its time and metal that was ahead of, of the time with more than hundred years. The so-called metal, the imperium, that was harder than diamond, uh, was developed by them and using these, uh, machines later on. Uh, I heard stories that, uh, a piece of imperium was held towards a diamond, uh, grinding wheel, or put on an electric motor, an electric diamond grinding wheel, until the wheel started glowing red hot because of the frictional temperature coming out of the water. Uh, uh, uh, coming out of the friction between the, uh, imperium and the wheel. But the imperium never melted and never ever was anything grounded away from it. So these stories about... It was hard and in diamond. So these stories about crash-burning saucers where they couldn't cut the metal and they couldn't, uh, burn the metal, uh, that doesn't mean that, uh, that it wasn't made here. What you got described... It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just... It's just that it would exist. I don't want to say that all crash-cracks on this planet were made by the Germans. Well, some of them were either, because we don't, we didn't know that. But we do know. But... We do know that we have developed this technology. Exactly. But, uh, the whole set of technologies needed for a crash-burning scenario or even a little gray abduction scenario were created by the Germans six years ago and had been in the government arsenal of all superpowers for half a century. Sure. So, going back to the German disks, uh, after the Kudelwurst and the Feuerwehr, which is the late, the second version of the Kudelwurst and it was the main version, the Germans developed, uh, which, uh, uh, uh, their first enlarged drone, the mega project, the Beron-Sumite-Schieber disk, which was their first operational fighter-storce. Uh, it was a standard, uh, turbojet craft, uh, well, a turbojet software, uh, uh, using low-grade aviation kerosene. At the end of the world, the Germans had a very low-grade jasen. I mean, they were running on off-chain numbers that few Allied machines would ever move. Well, it turned out to be a boom for everyone, because jet fuel, uh, because of that, eventually turned out to be nothing more than a version of kerosene. Exactly, and it's non-exposive, it's a lot less explosive than gas-range, otherwise we would have had a lot more kinder-bulk-type, uh, crashes, uh, airplanes. Uh, so the Beron-Sumite-Schieber disk was, again, a disk about 15 meters diameter, about 45 feet diameter. At the beginning, they tried eight, uh, turbojet engines of the YUMO, uh, I think 002 type, the standard jet used in the Messerschmitt 262 fighter plane. Uh, and it was, uh, the benefit of our listeners was the first fighter plane. Turbojet, uh, operational turbojet fighter plane. Actually, the Heinzschel 179 was the first turbojet plane that ever took off. It happened in the summer of 1939. Uh, three, four years before the first- This is incredible that the first jet-powered aircraft took off in 1939. The operational jet aircraft weren't in the air actually fighting in total almost the very end of the war. Uh, well, let me ask you something, let me ask you something. Take some time for research. I mean, the, the, the fighter planes of the second world, or the Messerschmitt, they'd been developed for ten years before that. But look at the Japanese. I bet the Japanese if they had that, they wouldn't spend time for research, because they were sending pilots up in the air to go to their death as, as the guidance system for bombs. Uh, the pilot actually was the guidance system for flying bombs that they would just, uh, fly right into, uh, our ships. I agree. But still they had extensive research before the war too. And they got a lot of information from the Germans, including up to the very last month of the war, even after the war ended in Germany, they were still getting, with the huge German transport submarines, bizarre flying contractions, including, uh, disassembled, uh, flying saucers that were assembled, according to an eyewitness account of a Japanese engineer that worked for a Mitsubishi Air, uh, aircraft factory. They assembled the same device, took the button, it flew away, they got so scared they dynamited the other device, or, or that's what they said, uh, said their prayers, and it was the end of the Japanese. That was the end of the time. Anyway, so, uh, sometimes... I can't, I can't see the Japanese getting scared and running away, but that's okay. Uh, no, you're raising a very valid question, why it took so long for the turbojet to be developed. You know, I mean, the first turbojet plane was probably a ten minute flight, uh, ten days repair situation, or maybe a month of repair. Well, I would say the biggest, the biggest problem was being able to carry enough fuel to stay in the air for long enough to get to it. No, no, no, no fuel. I mean, everything would be leaking, uh, uh, the gas turbine would, uh, would, uh, wear down very fast, the ball bearings would melt, and so on. Uh, these things could hardly stay in the air for fifteen minutes without developing any trouble. While the piston fighters could fight for hours without major synergy, because they had already, from, uh, well, First World War, nineteen, whatever, 1914, uh, about, what is it, about twenty-five years of, uh, extensive history. Thank you. I've got to, to interrupt, you know, uh, this is fascinating. I've got to tell you, this is absolutely fascinating, and I know that our workers are just as fascinating as I am, and, uh, I know an awful lot about this, but still, it's a bit of the idea. I'm a human's cracker. And, uh, what we're gonna do is, would you consent to come back and do maybe one or two more shows, and then, so that we can... Oh, we're gonna make more of this. ...to this, great. Uh, I, uh, can't say, I'm a human. I, uh, can't tell you how, how happy, uh, it makes me to have someone who has this claim of knowledge on this show. Um, it's, it's something that everybody needs to understand, that technology is a development secret, and which tells from the common man for so many years that a lot of... ...to, uh, well, for instance, in the United States, right now, every year, the United States government spends 90 billion, that's billion with a million, dollars on research. Really? On black project research. And another 30 billion on black project research. And where is the results of all of this research over the years? And how much of the drug money proceeds go to black project research, too. And the printing thread funding money going to black project research. One of my favorite things. Well, we can continue it on tonight, so, uh, as always, dear listeners, good night, and God bless you all. Well, I'll see you all. Well, I'll see you all. I'll see you all. I'll see you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you. You prove it yourself. Thank you. There are so many people telling so many lies that it's absolutely pathetic. I think what you've heard tonight is closer to the truth than anything you've ever heard regarding advanced technology and UFOs and flying saucers and all of those kinds of things. Until Monday, good night, folks. God bless each and every single one of you. 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