Dent metadata of the Однакоァ The End You are listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm Pete Lesprince. And I'm Tim. Good evening, folks. We're going to have a good show for you tonight. Have pen and paper by your side. I know you've heard Bill say that many times. We have some good information for you. And some good exchange information. So, bear with us. And here we go with some good music. Thank you. Everybody knows the fire system. It's what they pull and the room gets missed. That's how it's cool. Everybody knows the brain is in clean. Everybody knows the brain is in clean. Everybody's heart is good and demon. Like the mama or the dog is dead. Everybody's hands are in their pockets. Everybody wants a box of chocolates. I've done a long time so all. Everybody knows. Everybody knows. Everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows Well, good evening, folks. Dale's away tonight. He's wrapping a lot of Christmas presents. He's pretty involved in it tonight. So we're going to be doing a show, and I want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. From myself and the staff here and surplus and stuff, I want to thank everybody. Things that we're going to be talking about tonight will be of most interest on camping, clothing, Alice Pack and all. But first of all, I want you to write this down. Remember, Behold the Pale Horse is on a Christmas special at 1850 for non-members. Members of the TASI Intelligence Service is 1550. And it will be on sale until midnight Friday. So your order must be postmarked midnight Friday, December 23, 1994. Also, you can send that to Annie. Make your checks out to Annie. A-N-N-I-E To the Intelligence Service. Post Office Box 1420, Cholo, Arizona. 85901. That's Intelligence Service, Post Office Box 1420, Cholo, Arizona. 85901. And also, folks, April 15th is available. And it's $43 postpaid. Again, make your checks out to Annie. And she'll get this off to you. Annie also has compiled and given me a new tape list that she has available of all the tapes from January 3rd of 1994 to present that she's put together. And if you want a copy of the new tape list, send her a self-addressed envelope, number 10 size, self-addressed and stamped, and she'll send you back a tape list in the return mail. And the Luxor tape is available, which is a videotape. And trees and documents are also available. So there's many good things that you can get at present from Bill and Annie. One thing I wanted to talk about tonight, folks. Last time I was on, we were talking about equipment and things you should carry in your vehicle, get your vehicle repaired. And keep it in good shape. You never know when you're going to need it when you're out camping. And I've had people write and call me and tell me how much they appreciated some of the information that they've gotten from that. So if you're out camping, I wanted to share this with you on hiking equipment, things that you should be carrying in your pack. And you should have, first of all, at least two changes of underwear, shorts and t-shirts, two pairs of extra socks, one extra regular shirt, one extra pair of pants. Also in your pack, you should carry a pair of boots, lightweight, or even gym shoes. Even though I don't much care for the gym shoes myself, if something should happen to your regular hiking boots, a heel or it should split, or have any type of problem, getting them soaking wet, and they must be dried out. You can change your socks and carry an extra pair of boots with you. You can put those on until you can get your main hiking boots repaired or dried out. That is important. Depending on the season of the year when I'm out camping, I'll always carry a pre-season duffel bag with extra clothes for the coming season. For instance, in the late fall, or early fall rather, when some of your like mug loader or archery seasons come out for deer hunting or elk or such things, I'll carry my winter clothing in an extra duffel bag because in the mountains and out west here, you never know when the weather's going to change. So you want to carry some suitable clothes with rather than just your lightweights in case you run into cold weather, freezing rain, or even snow. So if you're not turkey hunting or something like that in the springtime, I'll have my cold weather clothing with me. And if it does get real warm, I'll have a change of lighter weight clothing. So those things will help you there. Also, some of us like to get out and do some repelling. Repelling is going off to the side of the mountains and things of this nature. You've probably seen that on TV. There are several books and there's a lot of different clubs in areas all over the country that do this kind of work. You can go to some of your local camping and hunting stores and they could give you some advice as to where there's a repelling club and what books are available and what types of equipment. You just never know when you're out hiking when you might need to use and learn some of that type of gear and how to tie knots and lower things down. And if you're out hunting, if you're up high and have to lower your animal down that you were just out hunting and got, it was very helpful to know some of these things. Also, in your backpack when you're out camping, I'll give you a list of some things that you might want to carry in your backpack. And you want to try and carry some type of a stove, a little trioxin stove or a little butane stove. Have extra fuel for it. Have an extra package of fire starting sticks. Carry a little bag or a bottle rather of water tabs. A roll of toilet paper, a washcloth, and a towel. A flashlight with fresh batteries in it. On your batteries, when you put them in your flashlight, you want to put a piece of masking tape around them and write the date that you put the batteries in your flashlight. So that way, you'll always know that you put fresh batteries in it and when you did put them in there, and if you think they're too old, put fresh ones in there. You want to carry some type of a pocket utility knife, a small axe with a cover, a little survival saw. There's various types. They fold out and then there's a ring type with little blades on it. A mirror you want to use for signaling in case you get in trouble or you get lost out there. You can use the signaling mirror. You want to carry a mesh kit that you can cook some food in. You want to carry some type of shovel, also called an entrenching tool, to help build your fire area and to cover your fire after you get through with your fire and want to cover it. Emergency blanket. You want to carry some type of tie wire with you. And that tie wire, if you want to build a makeshift shelter, if you're out hiking and it's sunny and too much sun and you want to take a break and get out of the sun, you can build yourself a little lean-to type shelter and use the wire to help tie it together. Or in the wintertime, there's a lot of people, believe me, that like to go out backpacking in the wintertime and set up little camps and such things as this and skiers and people that go out snowshoeing and all winter sports like that out here are pretty prevalent. You want to use a roll of black vinyl electric tape, a container of waterproof matches and carry a knife, fork and spoon set with you, a compass with instructions, carry a wet stone to sharpen your honey knife and pocket knife, and you want to carry a package of sewing needles and thread with you in case you have to repair a shelter half you might have or you tear your pants or jacket or whatever, you can repair it. Also a package of safety pins and some type of thread. I myself, I carry a poncho liner instead of a blanket. It's a little bit lighter and serves the same purpose. So those are some of the things that you might want to think about. This is just a guideline, folks, to make you think of things that you can add to whatever you want to carry with you. But don't carry things you don't need. Making a junk pack out of what you're going to be carrying. Think ahead weather-wise, what it's going to be like. Get the equipment that you need. Right now there's a good value in some of the surplus stores on snowshoes. The military has released some magnesium-type snowshoes compared to the wood and leather, or rawhide, I should say. And then they make the wood and neoprene, which are good. I've used those for several years. And I'm waiting for some snow to come here in Arizona so we can go out and try the magnesium-type snowshoes. They look real durable. And we've got several of those in, so we're going to give them a try this winter. So you might want to think of some of these things. And so if there's any information, we'll be passing it on later on in the show. I'll give you a number. We can call in and pass out information again. And again, don't forget some of Bill's things that he's going to have on sale. So let's see here. Yes, don't forget you want to get boots and galoshes to carry with you for bad weather also. Late fall rains, snows, spring rains and such. So, anyhow, you want to carry some of those things with you. And some people can wear wool, some can't. And myself, I can't. Don't forget you can carry a radio with you. A lot of times if you're in a situation, if you do get lost or have problems out in the field when you're out camping or whatever, a radio is real comforting to have with you get to listen to music or the news or the hour of the time in the evening on the shortwave side of your radio that you have. Don't forget to keep a small solar type battery charger with you for double A's. I would suggest getting a small type radio combination shortwave AM, FM. And they usually take anywhere from two to four double A batteries. And with the solar charger, you'll be able to charge your batteries during the day and listen to music and shortwave at night. So, it's just little ideas like that that we just want to pass along to you folks. And we're going to be opening up the phones for call-ins at 602-337-2524. Give us a call if you have any information you want to trade with us. It's only information tonight, folks. I don't want to have any calls pertaining to nothing else except hiking, camping gear, and trading information. And also remember, folks, Christmas time, families are going to be getting together. and any of those hidden recipes that you got hidden away out there, ladies, that you want to trade with others, whether it's making jerky or cakes or breads or biscuits or anything like that. Let's trade them around or how to do some canning would be a great value to everybody to learn this. So, the phone number, folks, is 602-337-2524. And we'll be taking calls. Okay, no caller yet. Don't forget, get yourself a good, durable knife if you're out hiking. A good, quality knife. Make sure it's got a good handle on it and that the blade goes all the way through the hilt and there's not much brass on it because brass does bend. Get you a good, quality steel hatchet. You never know when you're going to have to cut a little bit of wood. Good evening, you're on the air. Hello, I'd like to know you were talking about jerky. Can you tell me what you can do to preserve jerky? To preserve jerky? Yes, sir. Okay, well, the best thing to do is when you have your, when you're making jerky, is make sure all the fat is off of it. Yes, sir. And then there's different recipes available for the different mixture that you want to marinate your meat in. Make sure it's pretty well dried, whether you use an oven, a convection type oven, or what have you. And then when you go to put it away, do not put it in a jar or a tin can or anything like that, plastic, because it'll create moisture and this will create it to spoil on you. Take yourself, without your wife finding out, an old pillow sack because the pillow sack being cotton are porous and they breathe. And you put your jerky in there and then hang it up out in the garage or whatever. And I have some in my workshop. It's been up there two years and it's still, it's real hard, but it's still good and it's not spoiled. So you wouldn't recommend putting in one of these plastic bag vacuum machine type operations? I've never tried a vacuum type operation. I've never had one to use or available to me. So I just used the old style, what they call the flower sack saving type. Does that answer your question? I think so. Is there any type of ingredient that you soak it in to preserve it? Yes, there's different recipes available. You can go to some of your camping or hunting stores. They have books on making jerky. You can go to the meat market. They have different types of jerky mix available that you can buy right off the counter. Okay, well I appreciate it. You're quite welcome. Thank you. Well, there's a good one for anybody who has any short jerky recipes. I love jerky myself, whether it's elk or beef. Good evening, you're on the air. Hi, good evening. I'd just like to share with you what our little group of folks is doing with respect to carrying trail food. We have switched to instead of carrying these surplus type meals, we're taking and putting into these one liter containers, soda containers, things like rice and dry beans and things like that. We're finding we can carry about two weeks supply of food in our pack over perhaps three or four days of the other type of meals. I just thought I'd share that with the folks because it seems to be real effective. Yes, it is. I've done that myself. We've been in your field pants or whatever. You can put a half pound in each pocket and around and you can wind up carrying a lot of weight without a lot of strain on your body. Thank you very much. That was a good one. Ladies and gentlemen, there's a good tip also. There's a lot of information out there. All we have to do is pass it around because we're just relying on each other to help each other. Good evening, you're on the air. How are you doing, Tim? Fine. Hey, you've got another Tim this time. The East Coast Tim talking to the West Coast Tim. Okay, like a lot of times on these programs, you know, you have people talking saying, gee, this is fine, but the radishes, rutabagas, cauliflower didn't come in, and the biggest expenditure is a weapon. Bolt guns run over 500. AKs are starting to disappear. FN, FALs and stuff, they're like $1,700, $1,800. M16s is such a problem, you know, and so on and so forth. Here's the info. Potomac Arms, which is a retail establishment, Christ, I sound like I'm doing a commercial, division of Interarms, okay, is selling British surplus Lee-Enfield rifles, .303 caliber, for $99. bucks. That's a good value. That's a real good value. You also got some American-made by Winchester military surplus 303 floating around, 160 grain full-patch bullets. You also got some Czechoslovakian ammo out there that's pretty good. This stuff's running between $8 and $10 for 20 rounds. So to all those folks out there in the farms and the hinterlands just saying, gosh, how am I going to do this? at $99 and maybe $25 or so for shipping from your local dealer, that ain't a bad deal because you're not going to buy a .22 pistol for $125. That's true. Thank you very much. Okay, Jim. Bye-bye now. Thank you. Another thing, ladies and gentlemen, keeping some .22s around for rabbit hunting and things of that nature, your old 20 or 12 gauge shotgun for pheasant and quail would be coming in handy for duck hunting and things of that nature. Good evening, year-on-year. I guess that caller didn't want to wait. So there's just little things out there that can help and it doesn't cost a great deal a lot of money to get into. Single shotguns and stuff when you're out camping helps out. So if we have any more callers that want to call in, it's 602-337-2524. Good evening, you're on the air. Hi, Tim, Pete. Hi, this is Jim from Los Angeles. Oh, good evening. Tim, I was out there at the conference in the camp out this summer. And I just wanted to say you must have been a supply starter in another life because you've got one of those well thought out, well organized and stocked surplus stores I've ever seen. I've been going to surplus stores a long time and I've never seen one so well done as yours. Well, I thank you. All we do is try and try and help everybody. I've got a couple quick comments and then maybe a question for you. Okay, go ahead. I've had LTE and rug all packed up and hay bags packed for some time out of habit. And I've found that unless you practice mobilizing that stuff, taking it out to the field and using it, you won't really know what works and you won't be able to do it in a hurry if you really need to. And I think you've maybe touched on it and Bill's maybe touched on it in the past, but it's a point that probably bears repeating. I've been looking for a tan desert type LTE and I haven't found too much and I wondered if you're familiar with what's out on the market, what's available, the availability of that stuff. I understand a lot of it is planned to be de-milled in the future or just not released to the public. And before you answer that, let me just make one other comment. You had a great suggestion in the past about using a BAR belt for full-site magazines like FN type magazines. That's worked real well for me. I tried that and it worked out real well. So I want to thank you for that. Answer the question. Okay. If you will, why don't you give me a call tomorrow and I can let you know what's available in the colors that you want. Every day I'm out checking to see what's available. Equipment is getting short. yes, I do understand that they're trying to get rid of some of it and not auctioning it off and letting the big buyers come in. So we might have a problem. So just give me a call and I'll be glad to help you with your needs at any time. Okay? Yes, Tim. Also, have you heard anything further about Feinstein's plan to make wearing or availability of camouflage uniforms or any military type uniform unavailable or this thing, this rumor about camo cans and camouflage nets and that sort of thing being outlawed by the government? I have no confirmation on that as of yet. And like I say, I'm in contact with some people, bigger suppliers, and they've told me that they've heard about it, but there's no facts, so I cannot say for sure. Okay. Thank you very much, Tim. I appreciate the job you and Peter doing. Thank you. Bye. Yes, if you have any questions pertaining to any of the equipment you are, you can call me folks at area code 602-337-2975. If I'm not there, leave word on the machine. I know a lot of people don't want to talk into it. But just leave word and put the date and time that you called in, and I will call you back. Sometimes it might be a day or two, but I do try and return all my calls. Some people say, well, I've called you and nothing has ever happened. Well, when you talk into a machine, slow down, give exact numbers, and that way I can make it out and give you a return call. So, anyway, right now we're getting into cold weather, so you want to think about cold weather coding. And also after the Christmas season, what comes up usually in January? The big white sale. And all your big stores have a sale on all winter clothing because the spring clothing is coming out. Well, think ahead. Think ahead. Go in and buy some of that clothing. That's on sale. A lot of times you'll find tremendous values in kids' clothing or children's clothing and clothing for yourself also. Stock up on gloves. They have some great buys on gloves that are thin slate lined and stuff. And gloves that might run anywhere from $9 to $15 a pair. You can buy them for $6.50 or $5 a pair, so you can afford to pick up two or three pair and stash them away for next winter. Remember, clothes do not spoil. And if you find out that some of your clothing is a little bit too small for your child or you've grown yourself, you also can swap with somebody else that fought ahead and started buying some of the clothing at white sales. I know all your big stores, Sears, Pennies, and what have you, why Walmart, they all have these sales going on and that's the time to start scarfing up. We're almost in the midway of the bad weather and winter, so they're going to reduce all these prices so you can gain on it. Don't forget to get sunblock. Sunblock works real well when you're out in the sun. The cream will help you not get wind burn, plus it won't burn your skin. Don't forget sunglasses when you're out in the snow to help your eyes because you can get snow blind and it does hurt. 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I'm glad they'll, I'm sure they'll help you in any way they can. They've done it for me and I can call down there and they give me information all the time on silver. Myself, I just buy silver rounds from them. And I just put those away and give them out for birthday gifts or just presents here and there. And that piece of silver that I give out will always retain its value. No matter what the economic situation is. So try Swift America folks. They'll be glad to help you. And again, their number is 1-800-289-2646 or 1-800-BY-COIN. So there's a lot of value out there in various forms of precious metals. They have all the information. They keep up with it. That is their business. They are honest. They do what they say. I know that from first-hand experience. So I don't have to say I really don't know. But this time I do know. I've made friends with Gene Miller down there and he's helped me out quite a bit. Which I greatly appreciate. And I never understood that type of market before. And they really don't care how many questions you ask as long as you ask questions. And you learn from it. And eventually you can start putting some gold or silver away for the future. Because we are going to need it. And so they can give you a great help at this time, folks. And they're good people. Give them a try. Give them a call. Do it now at 1-800-289-2646. And they hit six. And they're good people. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. You're on the air. Yes. I'm sure I'm ready down here. Is that? I've got some catalogs here that advertise boots called Mickey Mouse boots. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Those are the military extreme cold weather boots. Some have valves in them. And you can pump up with air. Are you of the opinion that they are as virtuous as the edge remains to be? Myself, I can't wear them. Oh. Oh. Oh. Your feet get too hot in them. They don't breathe. Oh, I see. And extreme cold. They were designed for Arctic weather mainly. And they work fine up there where you have a lot of availability of changing socks and getting them dried out and stuff. But myself, they don't work. Some people, they like them. There's some good values out there in the Mickey Mouse boots. You can buy them in white rubber or black with or without the air valve. And they're fine. But they're also heavy. And in some instances, they're clumsy. The newer type boots that are out by Danner or Hitek and a few of the others make a good lightweight boot with insulate and Gore-Tex in them where your feet do breathe and are a lot lighter. And you can walk a lot further in them. Okay. But they do have the, they are superbly, have superbly flighty qualities. Yes, they do. Okay. That's about what I want to know. Thank you. All right. Thank you for calling. You want to look into boots in some of the bigger stores. They have a variety of different manufacturers on boots. Look for insulate and Gore-Tex insulation and what degree they'll go down and make sure that they're waterproof. Good evening. You're on the air. Tim, I've got two things. What's your recommendation on two-way communications? And we'll just answer that one. You know, like radios. Okay. Okay. There's various types of communication out there. If you're hiking around a camp area, you can use a CB radio. If you're a ham operator, you can use two-meter band radios. They're pretty good. Either one of those are excellent. You know, whether you're out hunting or hiking or whatever, to stay in contact with your camp in case something does happen. They are helpful. One other question. Can you get snow blindness on an overcast day and what do you do to prevent that? Wear sunglasses. Okay. Anytime you're out in the snow, just like being in water when you're out voting, the reflections are just as bad as direct sunlight. So, when I'm out in that type of weather, I always carry goggles with me, sunglasses. I've had snow blindness, and it does hurt, and it is painful. And it takes a while to recover from it. Is there an over-the-counter remedy you can keep for that, to put in your eyes? What we just used was regular, like, Visine or any of those eyewashes out there that really helped. And go into the shade so you're not looking out into the sun or getting reflections off the snow or water, if it's summertime water or whatever. And it does help. And I like the way you do the show, Tim. Enjoy it. Well, thank you. Good hearing from you again. You bet. Bye. Bye. Folks, the phone number is 602-337-2524. And Bill's away wrapping Christmas presents, and I hope he's having fun and don't get too much sticky fingers with all the stickers and the tackings and everything else he's doing and bows and everything else. I hope he's having a good time tonight. Good evening. You're on the air. Good evening. I'm on the air now? Yes, you are. You want to turn your radio off, please? Okay. When I had a problem with snow blindness, I nearly had snow blindness a few years back there because I had forgotten my sunglasses stupidly at the base camp. But I found out of my emergency blanket when it was taped over my glasses worked just as well, preventing the blinding glare of the sun. Yes, you could use clothing, you could use clothing, you could use clothing, anything that will cut down the glare and reflection, and you can still keep going, yes. You mentioned about equipment for long term, a couple of hurricane glass and metal lanterns, the type they use for outdoors would be very good. Yes, those are the old kerosene type lanterns. And you mentioned about keeping a battery, keeping a radio powered by a small solar panel. Well, there's also the trick of using a bicycle generator with one of those DC to DC converters. That is, you can give one of those from a radio shack or Walmart that converts down to 9, 6, and 3 volts. And you can actually run that off a bicycle generator to part of your radio. Yes, that's a good suggestion. What I suggested was using the solar battery charger that charges AA batteries. Well, that's good, too. It's also good to have that in one of the larger panels there to get the turbo charge for your CB use. You can. A lot of your handheld CBs will use anywhere from 6 to 8 of your AA batteries also. Yes, well, it's nice to hear that your show is on the air. And it's full of reflection on the other shows. Well, I thank you very kindly, sir. May you keep on going. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Okay. If you have any further calls, folks, we've got about all 10, 12 minutes. And it's 602-337-2524. Good evening. You're on the air. Hi, Jim. I have a little suggestion about firearms. I'm from Massachusetts up here, and I happen to be a firearms dealer. But they have available a couple of small little firearms for backpacking. One is the AI-7. Everything pulls up and fits in the back. There's 22. It'll take 22 stingers, which is a potent little rifle. It'll take down just about anything out there. Also, if the Springfield Armory, I believe, makes one that's 410-22, a felt rifle. And it has a little plate in the back for, I think, 4, 410-gauge shells. And I think probably about 20, 22-round cartridges in the back. Yeah, they also have the little snake charmer, camp wrackle, as it's called. Right. It's a 410. That AR-72 is also compact, and I believe they float if you're out fishing or whatever. Or just fall down in a creek or something that you're crossing. It will float. And the way the weapon is made and with the coating on it, all you have to do is just wipe it down. It won't rust on you either. That's true. Also, the gentleman was talking about the AR-15s or whatever. There's a lot of brands of ARs and all about the same. And I've done a pretty extensive test. I'm a full-auto dealer, so I have the license. But with the AR-15 or the M-16 thermal magazines, they work tremendously well. Not the expandable ones from 30 to 45. The regular 30-round thermals, all types. The ones for the HK, I mean, those magazines are going for $75 to $100 right now. The heel mags, if you can dump them, they don't work. But the thermals are self-lubricating, and they're just great magazines. And you still get them for about $12 to $15 at some gun shows. And, you know, they're great magazines. You want to know them with a truck, and they still work. Well, that's good. Thank you for the suggestion. Sure. Okay, folks. I have a little information on a little .22 and a 410 shotguns always handy to have around your camp. Good evening, young man. Good evening. Good evening. All right. Well, I guess that caller didn't want to stay on the line and play games on the air as we brought him in. Good evening. You're on the air. Yes. Hi. Is this Tim? Yes. Go ahead. Hi. How are you doing? Fine. This is Tim over in California also. What I want to ask you is two questions. Is concerning scopes, like Birds and Leopold, I know they make really good rifle scopes and stuff. Is it best to get like a 3x12, maybe 50mm optics on it? Or are you better off with like a 6x24 for farther reaching out long range? Well, it depends on the individual, number one. Okay. What he's accustomed to. What type of rifle he's going to put it on. Would it be like a Winchester and 308? Myself. Model 70. On my own hunting rifles, I have a 3 to 9 on those and I find that's more than sufficient for most big game, elk, deer, whatever. Okay. And if you have a bigger caliber or whatever, you might have depending on what you're, like I say, what you're getting used to. Sure. What you want to spend. And the other thing is, like a pack, like say a guy weighs about 200 pounds, what weight-wise, you know, you don't want to be bogged down with like a 100-pound pack. I mean, so you should be like a pack between 50 and 75-pound pack because on your list there's a lot of stuff and all this stuff begins to add up along with your food and stuff. You want to be lightweight but at the same time, you know, have most of your stuff on your list that you've talked about. My pack weighs roughly 50 pounds. Okay. Give or take a few. In that ballpark, you should try to have a pack so you can like make time and move. This is correct. You want to get used to carrying your pack also so you don't want to take all that weight at one time. So while you're not out camping or hiking or whatever, just start out with a lighter weight and start out at 10 or 15 pounds. Get used to that and then add 5 or 10 pounds, whatever you feel comfortable with. Well, I have a healthy one of those expedition packs where it has all the extra compartments and pockets and stuff. And I can load that thing down to 80 pounds. But you can't move and make time. I can show you how you can load an 85 pound pack plus carry a weapon and everything else. And you're not going to move that fast but you have to get in condition. Yeah. What is the standard for the military, the federal troops and stuff, a military use for standard weight on their altitude packs and all that stuff? Is it about 50 pounds? I would say so. Okay. I would say so. Thank you very much and you have a very nice Christmas. Well, thank you. We're there in Arizona. Keep up your patriotic stand. Thank you. Thank you. Don't forget, folks, get in condition. When you go out hiking or go out for walks around the block, around the house and what have you, just try and stay in condition. You don't have to go out and do a lot of jogging or anything. Just get out and do some exercise. Stick with it. Every day, walk around the block and then two blocks, five blocks, a mile, what have you, and stay with it. And you'll stay in shape. You'll keep good wind. If you do go out into the country or park, put a little knapsack on with 10 or 15 pounds and just get used to the weight. And you'd be surprised how much fun camping and hiking will be in the future. Good evening. You're on the air. Yeah. I've got a question about winter camping. Can you recommend a good type of stove to use for a tent like a Riley or something like that? What do you recommend? There's naturally the military type little round potbelly. There's some on the market. There's the, as we call them out here in Arizona, the sheep herder stoves, depending on the size of your tent. A lot of people just put wood in them and they forget to put sand in the bottom and they also burn the bottoms out. Put a few inches of sand or dirt in the bottom and it will help retain heat when your fire goes low too. And also on your, in your tent, wherever you place your stove, if you have the cutout in a mountain type tent or the old miners type as they're referred to or the military, there's usually a cutout in the roof so that you can set up your stove. And put some type of shield, lightweight aluminum or something like that, between your stove and the wall of your tent so you don't cause a fire. And because if you're out camping or hiking and you get a wind, you might get an updraft and your stove will get real hot. Also watch the type of wood you put in there. The more pitch that you have in the wood that you're using and pine and pinion and such, the more heat you're going to create. So you have to be careful in regulating your heat in the stove so that you don't burn your tent down. Then you don't have a camp. Two other questions I'd have. One is, you know, you can find most books about how to set up your camp and things like that. But in a survival situation, is there a way that you can set up a camp so it's not easy locatable by someone else? Are there any books on the market about that? Read the different survival books. Are you near a forest or camping area or whatever? Yeah. I've got, like, Kephart's book. And he just tells a little bit in there about how to, you know, conceal your camp and stuff from other people. But I was wondering if there was any more books on it other than, you know, like Army Survival Angels or something that would have some of that. Well, they don't tell you how to conceal it. Just go out when you're out hiking. Look at the situation. Think about it. Okay? Okay. Of what you would do. Look at it and think about it. And you'll have your answer. Okay. I've got one point I thought I might pass on to everybody. I read about this once, that if you have eyeglasses and you lose them out in the wilderness, we've tried it ourselves where we've taken a piece of paper and punched a very small pinhole in it. And it seems like the small concentration of light allows you to see a lot better without the lens for a short period of time. I'm blind in one eye almost, and I can almost read a book when we try that method. Have you ever heard of that before? No, I have not. It's just basically take a piece of cardboard or paper and cover your eye with it and punch a little pinhole in it. Of course, you want to do that before you put it over your eye. So where you can see through it, the edges aren't too burnt. And it's amazing the difference that you'll see through there. If you can't see without glasses and then you put this on, it will help you see where you're going and stuff. Well, that's a good helpful hint. I've never heard of that, but I'll certainly try that. Yeah, if you wear glasses, try it. It does work. I've been able to read a book that I couldn't read before with a bad eye that way. Well, myself, every time I get a new pair of eyeglasses, and a dear friend of mine who's in the eyeglass business is always hounding me, you know, keep a spare set of glasses and everything, and I do, and I use the plastic lenses instead of glass. I wear a glass, but my reserve glasses are made out of plastic. That way, if they're in a knapsack or whatever, if you're throwing it around, they don't get broke. Okay, well, thanks very much. Appreciate the show. Okay, thank you, sir. And now, I'm going to read a stab at chandelier. I am glad. I am nothing. I am never. Don't forget, ladies and gentlemen, to get the value on Behold the Pale Horse at $18.50. And that's for non-members and for members. It's $15.50. You must have your orders postmarked by midnight Friday, December 23rd to the Intelligence Service, P.O. Box 1420, Sholo, Arizona, 85901. 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