the microphone Stand up. Yes, sir. You can turn the microphone, please. That's not an invitation. You've got a lot of hands on stuff. Yes. The mic's on. We can turn the mic on. Okay. All right. One question. Good. Three answers. The question is, when did he file, when did he plan not, or when did he plan to volunteer and withdraw from the system? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. If I'm going to give me an activate of the radio 기 ordinarily, I can't identify what they've done with me. Thank you. With all the respect, I'm filed out of the four years. I'm on my third one now. And what I'm asking for is the document 6209. Are you playing with the 6209 document? Is that something that we can put in on your site? Because from what I understand, that will be instructions to the site for the code. Can you come to the microphone and answer the questions in there? All I can tell you is I don't suggest one. And I understand for those that are addressed using the Freedom of Insulation Act that it can be changed. I think also there are one or two publishers around the country that have copies of them to say it. I also understand that in many cases, people are at a tough time with Freedom of Information Act request getting that manual. But I think it is a way. I think it is a way. that information that people will be familiar and they can buy the Freedom of Information Act. We will a chance to put the Freedom of Information Act on the site. Do情ous T��로یack Lettersenijs provide you with your contact information. That's it. of the lungs of the physical health procession. I have found an incredibly presumptive injury I was seeing repeatedly I was seeing what my individual needs to follow and I've got another one called the AMGISA, AMGISA which was a clinic code started with I'm listed as an auto-checking any faster in the Virgin Islands who's also running drugs. So I'm wondering what cat exactly is if they're attempting to collect them from the IRS of the applausment entry we're going to go on file. Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you You can actually get your through the IRS Did everyone give that? 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Thank you. Good afternoon. First of all, I'm going to ask you a question about myself instead of the question that was actually asked. My personal view is a question that you should ask. I think it's a personal business decision and a personal business that we should ask. Myself, not the answer to it. You want to educate yourself until you do that type of thing. You want to have three rules, like the rules of your life, the location of your life. It's educate, educate, educate. And it's got to be in you, not in somebody else, not in what I say, not in what I do, not in what any one of you out there do. You've got to come up with your own decision and your own reason for it. Personally, I do not buy a minimum tax. If you look at my Social Security record, which I just received in the mail compliments of our government the other day, you will find that since 1980, there was an incredible number of zeros. Now, it wasn't because I was so smart and knew what I was doing. It was because I was darn fooled by it, quite friendly. I was doing some things that I now know were not correct and were not the proper things to do. But each one of you has got to take your knowledge, your research, not somebody else, not these foundations, not these thoughts, not these thoughts. It's got to be yours. You've got to verify. And then make your own decisions, irrespective of what you're doing. If you decide to pay your taxes, I understand. If you decide not to pay any taxes because of the legal rationale or reasoning that you're using, I apologize. That's a personal decision. It's a decision you have to make for yourself. And nobody else's actions is really important to that agreement. But you know what I can do anyway. I've got two, you know what I'm going to do. The night and night degrees are going to move on. So we believe we'll be able to follow up on the employers upon whom the IRS crackdown has been not directed. They made that announcement. They've indicated to David K. Johnson at the time that they were going to do that. They didn't know that Monday. But this is what I'm going to do today. So we'll support them in their tribulation. As you may remember, a part of Project Toto is a desire, an intent to create and develop a legal support system, not on a lot of videos, or regular occasion at home, very successful papers, not on a state of patience, other than clarify the study. So that is very much a part of the Toto, the Project Toto plan. What is the best way to introduce friends, family, and family to Toto to overcome their mindset regarding their fear of the IRS? Hopefully they'll, you know, the strange thing. If people see it in print, they think it's more perfect. You know, we've had a lot of people respond to their first days by telling them, you know, people see something like that in the print. They see it on Saturday and in the print. Sometimes it becomes more stressful, you know, and effectively. But also, we will have the entire presentation on our website very soon, along with the downloadable text of the USA Today ad in color, from partially background, as we did with the first ad. And with the same thing that happens now, that happened back then, many, many people around the country, and we encourage them, remember, many people around the country will download that fire, and they'll run their local newspaper, and have a chip in the community, and raise the money to funding their local newspaper. And also, many folks have already, that form we have about inner communities of that area, and we'll do the same thing. But they can do that by downloading the file, taking it to the printer, or they can just order them from us, and we'll run copies. Hard to make. Is David? Hey, John, is anybody here? David? I've been looking forward to the side of control. All right, David's right here. I'm going to see him now, so we won't ask the question of who that's here. The question I have to address is, because we get Liz's directed calls to us quite frequently. So, Lynn Merritt is still a part of the We The People Foundation. Lynn Merritt's We The People organization is an entirely set of this organization. Has absolutely no connection with our organization. And, Laura, do we have any connection with Jerry Brown, who has We The People organization as well, the former government council? Is there an issue? Is there an issue? Yes. Okay. The rest of the room has a question that we're given to. Can't wait for an answer. We will try to get all questions and issues at question under which side versus. The rest of the room has a fair way for it, so we're going to move on. The question is, is John Spousal contact? Yes. Kate, the John Spousal producer, Ken, the doctor, and and he contacted us. Ariseo, asking for fair copies, comment on that, and the videotapes on the third-party conferences. I read it off to Ted Dahlica, and he was doing my entire house. I was in Ireland with my life for the surgery. And he was very receptive. He said, email him in four months and he will take it personally into the phone and I was going to ask him if he could come in and speak to his head. My wife told me yesterday that she thinks she might have blown that car. It's not that we don't have come in but I said apparently he did call Russell probably to give his apologies enough to be able to determine whether he's or excuse him. We don't know what this one was but I'm sure she was could make it what he was in there then. That's all we know. Okay. So, then I'll just send a check. Here's a sheet. The single sheet in your pocket that's called Project Toto. What We Can Do to Help. And there we provide an address for checks. They also provide information for wire transfers to the special Project Toto first. The account number and the document that is there. I'll just go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to ask to make this announcement. Would you announce that copies of Martin Rose's report are outside as well as a letter which he wants to send to IRS Commissioner for Saudi seeking signatures. Okay. I understand he got 75 copies of Martin Rose's research has to believe coming. I think it was quite, if I can say this, I don't, I shouldn't speak negatively about and they take out of the business. He would respond, but I found it quite offensive that David is in the 14th November of certain 18th article in the New York Times discounted what Martin Rose was worth. What Martin Rose had to say, he referred to him as nothing more than a medical trans-Christianist which I'm quite offensive because he had a one million better than him. Clearly he used a great comprehension and does a pretty decent job of researching and it is a very decent job, very well known for that would release to an source and arguments. Clearly he doesn't have a one minute that he didn't do his right terms. And I don't know about who you did that because he said some after these. OK. Yes. said he can have Yes, yes, okay. You want to get this? Well, the name is a child, and I'm very excited. Thank you. So I will say this. This is a fair. We can share that I've had with very obviously, I think, because first of all, most of what I have been in this interview about all our parents and their families and their families and their families and their families and their families and their families and their families. So that the government can address some issues and how non-discipline they've been, never got to know how they've been. They said, I mean, well, thank you. So, from the second hand in that interview, I said, David, you seem to be taking the place of the federal government here. you are saying what most people are looking to have said. Some arguments are not additional. They're not saying you're correct. But he's offered all of the opportunities to be an opportunity for the researchers. And I said, look here, if you're trying to argue, generally, women, we believe, they're leaders. In terms of government, won't attend, we can do that. He identified himself as a reporter for the Congress in 30 years and he's a number one tax, tax relief. He's very familiar with all these issues. Um, that's what we find by the Congress is his willingness to refer to people like, you know, as tax chiefs. And, and prior to government refers to them as tax chiefs, without offering any revival to the criminal argument that they're doing. There's no bad in any of the authorities. Right. Um, so, well, I've been here to do it. So, who is from, but, uh, check that again will rise. Apparently, here's more than $5,000. Thank you. Okay. You can, I'd like to move on to the federal government to the federal government suo town so to speak for 10 minutes of speech that everybody knows that they're won't share that in terms of their experiences who met the IRS and who've managed to talk to those, to address these issues that they and others have made. So let's hear from the employers, those who are willing to say a few words. And I recall reading about employers over the last two years. And we wondered that I began to read about them and hear about them. First off, of course, was David Fox, a smarter employer. And David, you have something to make this say. Thank you. I've spent a lot of years of my life not understanding it. It's been a lot of years of helping our government, who I was taught and raised up on the first line up in Michigan to trust and believe. That government would never do anything to us, like I discovered, like everything was discovered. But as many of you are discovered, we don't. Three things I want to point out to you. I briefly touched on this report, but it's a real estate deal. Educate, educate, educate. And it's yourself that has to be educated first. Send the time. Make the effort. Don't believe a word that I said. Don't believe a word that anybody says. We just reference Larkin's report. As much as I studied this issue, I would not try to read, do that report, if you will. It's an excellent document. But I would take that document, I would go to the law lecture, and I would look it up. Take the reference. Look up the research. Put it in your heart and mind. Don't put it in Larkin's report. And put it in your file and call it a fish. Crudges, put it. A couple of quick comments. First of all, tomorrow afternoon, I'm going to phone a seven-year-old daughter. And we're going to snubble up on the dirt. We're going to watch that movie again. Yes. Well, I remember. Because I had five children. Our seven-year-old was three. It was a daughter of my daughter who passed away. And he was adopted. So I started to bring in the family. If you want to look at it, that would be a new generation. But that's really the children and the grandchildren are five and the mom. I could have taken that check two years ago. Actually, 20 months ago now. Cash, two checks. Sent the money back to the employees. It disappeared. And I would have agreed. And none of you would have known about it. But each one of us has got to stand up. We've got to be our own sorrow, if you will. I'm happy. Just look at the crowd here. If every one of them in our cities and villages and hamlet for the house, tell back the curtain so that God residents could see what's on the wall. And watch what would happen when it's spread. There's something here that is so colorful that it's mind-boggling as far as descriptions of the news. But every one of you can participate. Whether it's dollars, whether it's action, whether it's just a way. Sharing the knowledge that you gain and what is there. Let's talk about where we're going. And I'm talking about Dave and his company specifically. Not just as early as everybody else. But everybody else is going to be able to tag along if they would like. We're just asking some new items out there. There's been a recent discovery, at least to me anyway, of section 7343 in the code. Everybody wants to write this one down and do some research. People are asking, why are you willing to speak out? Why are you willing to stand up and talk? After all, what is it, 72 or something? You know, if you can aspire to be proud of the government, we can bring you in there. Now, it's a purest. It's a purest stature that we all realistically should have. But if you look at 7343, and I'm not going to tell you all the answers, but I'm going to tell you where to look. If you look at 7343, trace the legislative history of that. If you look at 7343, and you find a person. A person, when you read that under the code, for purposes of this chapter, it's a person that sounds like you and you and me. Gee, why am I doing it? I sound like one of those persons, it could be good in jail. Go look up the legislative history of the thing. You'll find that there are nine definitions of the word person. Your homework assignment. Figure it out. Send me an email of what you found. You'll find such a very amazing, and I can stand here because of what I know about that, and talk to anybody. I can come straight around the toilet with people all over the country to do that. We have used that information in a group that I work with very closely to literally stop the amazement of your trash. We don't know if that causes it because nobody ever tells you. But if I'm repeating this, the U.S. attorney has stopped the amazement process for individuals. We're challenging at this point. We will be testing it very shortly through the court under the easiest court of the law. And it appears to be an overturned existing person's answer. We don't know if it's good. We're testing it. As soon as we've gotten results, they'll be posted and they'll be put out for everybody to see. But for me personally, with what I know at this point in time, I have no fear of conspiring with any one of them. Superbile is a temporary bank act because it's not one of the nine you're living. So look it up and see what you think. I will use the issue of 1.8.17 of the Constitution, the jurisdictional issue. Quite frankly, wearing my blue jacket, compliments of Bob, what he sent to me, I have worn that into a number of IRS office meetings. That's how he sits at Hanks work from the IRS administration about when we have raised the jurisdictional issue. We've either talked totally off guard because we don't know how to respond to it, or they have no response. And he's got a very interesting thing. And the other thing, it's been tested and off now. I can't talk about this, but there's a court year already in the country that is reaching that issue that so far the government has not said it was. They have not responded to the issue. It's got a different thought. It's got there. I don't know the outcome. I'm sure it's not going to be for months yet before we're done, but it's already in the courts at this point in time. Let me talk about what my company is doing in support of Project Soto and in support of Reva people. We are taking what he's always put this way. We normally would have an attorney on staff who would handle our contract work and our various things that he would need an attorney on the business standpoint. It is my plan, and I'll say this. It's still a plan. It's not a reality yet. It's my plan to put four attorneys on staff. Those four attorneys will spend the excess time with a clean sheet of paper, started through everything that we've learned in the last 20 or 40 years or whatever, and revaluate everything from it. I think she's a paper standpoint. Once we ever grab something that we feel is a supportable, brief, document, et cetera, we will publish it and give the object and we the people have the right to reproduce it any way that they want to. as we freeze their hands. The thoughts that we're going to go through, number one, I'm from a Tampa Bay area in Florida. We've got some retired U.S. district court judges who live in Minnesota who heard about what we're up to, and they've asked if they can come in and sit on the bench in a long trial that we're going to be able to do that. We're going to take an issue and put two attorneys on one side, two attorneys on the other side, and let's tear the issue apart on any way that we can. The goal is very simple. I want IRS to know every tool that the body has got their own. And once we've got these done, judges issue their opinions, good, bad, or indifferent. We're going to publish the transcript that we're going to publish the transcript. So there's anybody to look at it, including IRS. Some people have told me I'm foolish to tell them what we're up to. But I think having the knowledge on their part will slow them down the appropriate God is real. God will find out when the judge makes his decision. Those things are happening. I heard thousands of clients in my company. One of the hard stone things that's going to happen in the weekly newspaper, the monthly newspapers, that's going out to them as a tax plan. We're going to publish the various functions that relate to our people as to what we see, what's happening. Remember that we've already reversed 2.3 million in gross wages, quote, unquote, in 1099 and W-2. And the people deserve to know why I'm not sending them those documents. One I can't talk about other than mention it. There's just reversed over $20 million worth of 1099 for a company. That file is in process right at this moment. Thank you. And we can talk about it. There will be details available on it. If you haven't figured it out, employers are generally... I can't talk about it. I know. If you haven't figured it out, employers are somewhat reluctant to stand up and be counted. Let me close with this. I do it simply because of the grandchildren. I want to live in a better country than my parents left me. I'm not calling my parents, but I want to live in a better country than what all of us got in the UK. Thank you. Thank you. The second employer that most of us heard about who had become a top-level in the bottom of the screen in 1099, the most familiar even as a parent. For the Texas employer, especially Texas, by the name of Dick St. Kennedy, we'll have to say it's new. Thank you. I'm the CEO and founder of Elk Desson Classes, which is located in Bedford, Texas. I've asked the IRS plenty of questions on various parts of the laws. I've asked my congressman, who incidentally is not here today, who's been invited. So I consider myself kind of a delegate here from Texas. And I'd like to introduce you to a few other people that I also consider delegates from Texas. My entire management staff. Jerry Williams is the plant manager. Brian Malatesta is the company CPA and accounting. Randy Hangeman, production manager and process engineer. And Louis Morris, touring manager and design engineer. You guys raise your hands and standing up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This country was founded on principles of freedom. Our Browning Fathers wanted us, you and I, to be free. They shed blood, they died, men and women, so that we could live in a country free. The people settled originally in 13 colleges, which eventually became Commonwealth, and then states. Do you refer to your state here on the East Coast as Commonwealth? Do we refer to our states in the Midwest and out West as republics? Or do we say the state of? The state of? I think that we need to fight propaganda with propaganda. When our politicians speak to us and they say we have a wonderful democracy, I don't think so. I think the government is a democracy trying to rule a nation that is a republic. What's the definition of a public servant? Are we the servants? Did not the people form the states and the states form the federal government? Who's at the top of this list? We are. Now, the things have been turned around. It's been upside down. The federal government seems to be on top. They want to rule the states and they want to rule us. People ask me, well, Dick, aren't you kind of nervous and shaking in your boots because of this article that's just come out by the New York Times? Well, if I was, I wouldn't be here. I would be back in Texas trying to figure out how to fill my sentence for you for them out. No, I'm not afraid of the IRS. Bill Clinton is not afraid of the IRS. He's been in jail. They almost killed that man. He's done a lot for our country. And there's many other patriots that are fighting to be free. We don't want to be tax cheats or not pay our fair share. I mean, really, what does that mean? All we're trying to do is obey the laws. In a republic, you have a law, a land of laws. In a democracy, you have 51% controlling 49%. And if you're one of the 51%, great, you win. But if you have to be one of the 49%, you lose. In a republic, where the government is forced to obey the laws that are written, we all win. And is that so hard? I'm not going to ramble on. There's a lot of things to talk about. Somebody said that the target was the rich field out there. The money supply, the Federal Reserve, income taxes, gun control. All of these things, the government is shutting down our gross. But I will leave you with one bit of information. Does the Bible support or admonish the income tax? What does the Bible have to say about taxation? It has a lot to say about taxation. That was alluded on here a few minutes ago with the change of money. But I'll leave you with one verse to look up. I won't tell you where it is. But I will say that it is definitely an admonishment to the IRS system. And that is Malachi 3-5. Or some might call it Malachi 3-5. Now with that, I don't know how you can do this. You can answer it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The third employer that we, at least that I heard about, is Rick Jackson, the California employer. And Rick is a doctor. The next employer, after Nick, that we heard about, is Al Thompson, another California employer. Al Thompson, another California employer. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon. Thanks, Bob, for this meeting and for the time that you put in. This is extremely important. July 21st was a turning point for me. I had been studying this issue for a long time. I had stopped signing my return from April 9th of 2000. And it was so good for me to do that on my individual. It only involved me. But I realized that I was playing on both sides of the playing field by withholding my workers' funds. Because I had known better. And we had gotten two new employees or two new workers coming in. My general manager comes in and says, Well, we have two new people that are asking for your W-4s. What do we do? Because she knew what I was thinking. And I said, Okay, let's call the meeting. I called the meeting for all the workers and told them that they no longer were going to have their money with help by me. Because I thought that they did not earn gross income as defined by the tax code. And also, they are not what we would call employees. And the sense of the term is described as subtitle E or title 26, which basically means that they are federal workers or federal employees. And that's what the definition is. So they looked at me like I was an alien from Mars. It was really quite remarkable the different reactions we got. I did lose two workers. But we have since replaced them. And as we rehire them, they are very, very happy not to have their money with help. And they're happy to know that they didn't hold a tax in the first place. If Karl Marx were to come down after all these years of being there and look upon the IRS, he would have been very proud. This is a totally Marxism through and through. And the problem in our federal government at this point in fact is socialism. If we can get socialism rooted out of our governments, the better off we're all going to be. Thank you. Does anybody here know how to do that? And then one of the other quotes in that same article, they called a tax cheat. And they made the comment that wages are sources. Wages, if you look at the tax code in section 61, wages are items of gross income or performances of some sort of a service. And in 861, in your regulations, that's where it shows what taxable sources are. And this is one of the primary reasons why I did not file an income tax return. This was the beginning of my understanding of this. It's because you have to have gross income for purposes of income tax in order to have a liability. I also started looking around the code and I've been enlisted. I've enlisted Jovanna for herself. And we're finding that the IRS doesn't care one proof about administrative due process. In my particular case, we are getting none of it. Everything that they do is wrong and it is off the book. I have no delegation of authority to do anything regarding my case. To give you a specific example is there's an appeals opportunity or whatever that we were supposed to have. Jovanna was going to make an appointment. And throughout the discussion of this particular appointment, the residue agent says, well, can we talk? And Jovanna says, sure, we can talk a little bit. And the issue was the previous due process was not adhered to. So we shouldn't even be into the collections part. We should be into the examinations. The Internal Revenue Service said that the courts have ruled against all this. Your claims are frivolous. You just had your due process meeting and he hangs up on Jovanna. All right. This is not an honest agency. And I think asking them, and I respect Bob and I respect his heart in wanting to go to the Internal Revenue Service and ask them, gee, you know, we're seeing this in the law, but something else is here. They could share less. They really don't. And they certainly don't mind the excitement. I don't know if it's a good idea to risk a lot of time with these people. The idea now is to educate, move it forward, and try to get the Internal Revenue Service out of the lives of every American. Thank you. And that's where your A61 division comes in regarding gross income. Now, in Subtitle C, there's your employment taxes. And so that's another place where you have to list to see where somebody's liable. That refers mostly to, or this, I mean mostly, it refers only to federal workers. And so those are the two spots where gross income for tax purposes occur. But where it gets tricky is the definition of the United States. And what I'm seeing, and this is my understanding, and for Subtitle A and Subtitle C, my understanding of the term United States only refers to the federal states, and the federal zone doesn't refer to the Union states, such as California, New York, Arizona, and so forth. However, if you look at Section 4612, you'll find the definition of the United States changes. It changes to the 50 states, including the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Long, Virgin Islands, and all of that. So what you have is a little shell game that the code is playing with you. It has a little place with your head because you're trying to understand something. But once you understand it, it looks simple, but it's going to take a long time to learn it. So you folks need to not only understand the 861 argument, the gross income argument. You need to understand jurisdiction. The separation of powers is very important. The federal government has very, very limited powers. And the only power it really has is what is put into their purview with the Constitution. So you have to be real careful how you live to yourself. If you sign an income tax return, you're saying you're a U.S. citizen, which you're claiming to be a resident of one of the possessions. Now, we have, I think I've pretty much covered all of that. There are some other things about 861 that I found interesting. I think for the Internal Revenue Service, the worst nightmare is to have a bunch of educated people read the law as Congress passed it. And I think it's time for us to start reading the law, and we will become the IRS's worst nightmare. Thank you. And the company is Batavia Enclosures. Thank you. Before I initially decided to come down here, I didn't have any intention of speaking. I came here to stand on the shoulders of a great man. I'm like those investments. They bought it. They gave me some advice. He wanted to go. When we were here last, he said, make a research of your own. He said a thing. He said it again today. It was probably the best of my pleasure achievements I got in this about three years ago. I have some revelations since I've been here. I thought I'd share them with you. I don't have any very near the intellectual look at me. Some of these great men that I've been here before. But I do have some insights that I thought I'd share with you. I figured out the difference between lawyers and real people today. Lawyers tell you pain now. For a third, I'll help you get back what you can. I say it's mine if you want to come get it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I try hard as I can to do what I believe the Bible says. Unfortunately, I fail more often than I want you to know. But I know this one verse that says, In a note, you go to do it now. In a mistake. If you know that the day of the day is wrong, if you know that you are adversely affecting the people that you are working with and working for, or who work for you, if you know that America is in Christ and that you do nothing, then dread the day is going to be for the world. America is not in it. You know what? I don't even know my own address. I was about to say, I can go to hundreds of verses in the Bible and think I can go to Apple and Mark. But I thought you wouldn't be a city lawyer and you did that. Our nation is not having a death crisis, in spite of what many of you have said or believed. Our nation is having a crisis of freedom. It's a crisis of freedom when an agency of government will review to give its people who earnestly request information the information needed to make true and rational decisions. It's a crisis of freedom when the only response of the government to the pleadings of its people is to bring the U.S. market in and consecrate their wealth without the drop of the wall. And it's a crisis of freedom when the presidency is a thing as it has been. And our elected officials have nothing on their minds except re-election. I have two boards. Actually, I have three. But two of them are in the services of the United States. One of them serves in the United States Navy and the other one serves in the United States Air Force. I instruct both of them to be on guard that their government does not act at them to act against the good will of the American people. Thank you. Thank you. The Pirates of Fireplanes and soldiers who fight the easy phrase. Thank you. Thank you. Take a few minutes and hear from those former IRS agents to not be here. I know about Joe Madison and Sherry Jackson. I know about Joe Madison, Joe, would you like to say a few words? Thank you. Thank you.