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Well, I got some letters that challenged that. They didn't think it happened. But you actually were there. Yes, I saw it. I saw it. I didn't believe it myself. Well, it amazed me, I got to tell you. Joe, what are we going to talk about tonight? Well, we talked earlier about the housing industry in general, ways that people can get a good home. I'm sorry, folks, I'm not a radio personality. I'm a carpenter, by trade. Anyway, we've been discussing about how things are built and being that a home is a major investment in a person's life, second to a car, or first to a car, people look over a car pretty close. They take it for a test drive. They ask questions. It seems to me that home... That terrible noise you just heard was Pooh trying to pull her little chair out of the studio past the microphone that Joe is using and scraping it all the way. You've got to hold that cord off the mic stand. Otherwise, it makes a hellacious noise, too. Okay, I invited Joe on the broadcast, folks, because he's a real craftsman. He's a carpenter of the old style. He knows what he's doing. And in the many conversations I've had with Joe, he has just blown my mind with what happens when homes are being built and shortcuts that are taken in order to save money and how fast they're cranking out houses and those kinds of things. So what we're going to do is we're going to talk a little bit about what Joe knows about houses and what you should know. And I can guarantee you, most of you don't unless you're in the housing business. And I mean the housing construction business, right in there doing the construction. You probably don't know much of what you're going to hear tonight. And as most first-time radio guests do, Joe will get over his nervousness and just move right in here and everything will flow real well. And then we'll take some calls, and you guys can ask Joe some questions, and you'll find out that he has a wealth of knowledge that's just absolutely tremendous. Not only that, but he's a hell of a good shot. He's a good friend. And when he goes to work, he goes to work, and he doesn't go to play. And just one hell of a good God. Joe, we were talking. Most people, when they go out looking for a home, they go to homes that have already been built. Yeah, they'll go look at the models. They'll have two or three floor plans and models set up with the furnishings in them, and they'll be all fixed up with the landscaping and everything. And these are usually homes for, like, tracked areas where they built a whole bunch of houses based upon three or four different floor plans, and they just crank these things out one right after another. And they all look really nice, don't they? Yeah, they have a kind of a Hollywood appearance. What do you mean by Hollywood? Well, they look nice on the outside, but on the inside, it's really a different story. Why don't we talk about that? You know, some of the things that you told me that really floored me, I think people out there need to hear. You talked about going to work on these projects. And why don't you just talk about that? What happens when they're building these tracked homes? What do they do first? Well, let's say, for example, the valley down in Phoenix. It's hot and dry. The cement workers don't want to work the cement too much, so they add a lot of water. It's smooth and it's easy to work, but you lose all your strength. They pour it in the morning, and that afternoon we're on the floor with tennis shoes, so we don't leave marks and footprints, snapping lines and getting ready to play it out. And then the next following day, we start the framing, the exterior frame. And you're doing this before the foundation has even dried or even begun to cure. Correct. And then the concrete will test out, supposedly, in 27 days, reach minimum strength. So really nothing should be placed upon that concrete. No building should be done on it for that period of time. No, not really. But like a lot of the big outfits down there, they're little 300, 400, 600 units a year. And it's a production line. It's very similar to building a car. So what you're saying is that pouring this concrete that's got way too much water in it because of the heat there especially, but they do this in other places and enables them to work with that concrete much quicker than they would if it were the proper consistency and didn't have all that water. And then within two hours of pouring the concrete, they're actually laying out the rest of the structure on that concrete, and they're beginning to build what, walls? Well, you lay out all your plates, all your interior partitions, and all the exterior walls, and your top plate and bottom plate, and then the following day, you'll start framing. And you'll actually start framing and stacking construction on top of this concrete that hasn't even begun to dry, much less cure. And it never will, because of this, reach anywhere near the strength that it's supposed to be and that the buyer actually believes that it is. Is that correct? That's correct. That's correct. If it's not covered for seven days, it'll lose about 50% of its strength. And they don't cover it at all? No. No, you can't cover it because we're busy framing on it. Now, what happens when you're framing and you're building and you're putting weight on concrete that has not dried and has not cured and is supposed to be actually the foundation for the building? Does this mean that in places where there is heavy weight applied versus places where there's not heavy weight applied, you're going to get a sinking or an uneven foundation? Yeah. It can, depending a lot on the soil conditions, but it can disrupt the integrity of the structure, the entire structure. And to me, being a carpenter, the basic, the whole house is based on the foundation. If you've got a good foundation, you'll have a pretty good house. If you don't have a good foundation, it doesn't matter what you build on it. So when somebody actually buys one of these tract homes that have been built like this in a hurry, and we're not just talking down in the valley. We're talking all across this country this is going on because that's how they make money real quick and get a return on their investment is by building these houses really fast, saving as much on materials and work and labor as they can, and then selling it. Yeah. They really, they figure, their waste, they figure, is almost 30%. It's waste. And if they did it properly, they would have how much waste? Oh, down around 10%, 15%. Okay. It would be acceptable. But when people are buying these homes, they think that they're buying a beautiful home that was made properly and has a strong foundation, and the fact they're told all of this. And the truth is that it's not at all. No, the contractor itself and usually the home builders, the big builders, they're only on the hook for a year. They guarantee it for a year. They have to stand behind it. Uh-huh. After that, some of the outfits, well, they'll give you a five-year, ten-year warranty on the foundation or some kind of an extended warranty on certain items. But after that, you know, you're going to pay for this house for 30 years. Uh-huh. And, well, I've known people who have bought these homes, and they're so proud of it, and they invite you over, and you go in, and you look. And, of course, you know, until I started talking to you, I didn't know all these things even. And I don't think anybody does. But everything was nice. All the door jams fit, and the walls were, you know, right, and there was no cracks anywhere, and everything worked, and within just a matter of weeks, things started to go wrong. All of a sudden, doors didn't close right. Cracks would appear in walls and, you know, all kinds of things. Floors weren't level anymore. And is this because of the clicky way that they're building these houses now? Yeah. Or is it because of shoddy workmanship or bad planning or what? It's a combination of all those things. You see, the developers, why, they're profit motivated, but they don't build a house. They subcontract. They have a contractor who subs, subs out portions of the work, and usually the sub will sub out. So you've got a variety of people working on these projects. Some of them are skilled, and some of them aren't. So it's kind of luck of the draw. If you get a good carpenter that builds you a pretty nice house, why, you're lucky. If you get a bad one, why, you're not. Same way with the heating or the mechanical or the cement work. You've got to remember these guys aren't, they're working by piecework, time. It's not, I get X amount of dollars for quality product. I get X amount of dollars, period. If it takes me a week or it takes me a month, I get so much money and that's it. So the incentive is not to hang around and do a good job. The incentive is to get it done and get paid. Mm-hmm. And jump on to the next one. And most of the workers don't make any of those decisions. They're just told what to do by whoever they're working for. They're told to hurry up. Yeah. We were slow, and it took us about four days to frame a house. Other crews are doing them two and a half. Wow. And speaking of framing, I mean, there's a proper way to frame a house so that the house is strong, so that it has good integrity, and so that, you know, when the new owners move in and they look in their little handy-dandy book and it tells them that the framing is 16 inches apart, and he goes to hang a picture and he measures out 16 inches and drives a nail through the drywall, and there's nothing there. Why is that? There again you get back to the primary motivator is money. And if you're only getting, say you're getting, some guys will do it for 80 cents a square foot and other guys will want $1.50 a square foot. Regardless, you've only got, the longer you take, the less money you make. Mm-hmm. So everybody's kind of pushed into cutting corners, and maybe one nail will hold it instead of three, and, you know, just to get by. It really has nothing to do with quality. So what are some of the ways that they cut corners and save money that ends up really cheating the home buyer, which is really the proper term for it? They come in thinking that they have a home built to certain specifications and a certain strength and standards, and the truth is if they could just look through those walls, they would see that it's not at all. So why don't we talk about some of those things that people do to cut corners and save money that ends up costing the homeowner an awful lot down the line. First thing, they try to get a good designer. They can design a house but yet still pass the local codes. They'll try to stretch it. They'll stretch that board as far as they can, and then they buy the cheapest lumber they can get. Instead of kiln-dried lumber, which has been dried in the kiln and then surfaced to dimension, they'll buy what they call S-green, surface green. It's still wet. It's going to bow. It's going to twist. It's going to warp. It's going to warp. It's going to do all kinds of strange things, and that's why all of a sudden doors won't close right and cracks appear in walls and ceilings and all kinds of things happen. What else do they do? Green lumber is really bad, though. Yes, it is, but it's cheap. Yeah. It's cheaper than siling-dried. Siling-dried is the preferred. But no smart person would ever build a house out of green lumber. Well, yeah, that's correct. Well, you don't know what it's going to do. It may be fine. Like I say, it may twist, and everything works good for the first year or so, but after everything's seasoned and drying out and cracking and twisting and foundations moving around, the floor's heaving. You're getting cracks in your ceilings. The doors don't work the way they used to. It's just, it all boils down to money. It all boils down to saving a dollar. If they can save $100 per unit, if you build 600 units a year, why, that's quite a bit of money. Yeah. And they can, they use the cheapest roof they can get by with. They use the cheapest materials they can get by with. Concrete, they water it down a little bit, stretch it a little bit. It's just a combination of things. So, really, people should not be buying these homes. It's really the truth of the matter. I personally wouldn't. Well, after what I've learned, I wouldn't either. And after watching you work for quite some time, I mean, I've got a different feel and a different understanding of what carpentry is all about and the way things should be done. And watching somebody do something that really knows how to do it is quite an experience versus watching a bunch of yahoos who are just in a hurry to make a buck and then go get a quick beer. You know, at the end of the day. That's basically it. Everybody's trying to make a dollar. Everybody's trying to make a living. But yet, at the same time, there's this tremendous pressure to hurry. A normal track home, they'll have it from the time they break ground, it'll take 28 days. And it's done. The people are moving in. They roll out the sod and they're digging the pool on the 29th day. And the paint's not even dry. The concrete's not even cured. The lumber's still green. There are certain things, as you get experience, you can pick up speed to a certain degree. But then they've taken it to, it's almost ridiculous. There's really no time to do anything right. It's just, when can you get it done? What are some of the other things that they do in the building trade to save money? Well, they'll cut down on insulation. They'll cut corners wherever they can. They buy cheaper knobs. They buy doors that don't have two hinges instead of three. They'll cut corners any way they can. Any way they can. And then, also, they try to keep the price down on the subcontractors. Each year, instead of getting better, the price goes a little cheaper this year. We're building them pretty cheap. Is it possible for someone to buy a lot and build their own house and have it financed and have it built better and cheaper than what these people are doing? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you could. The problem is that most people don't want to take their time. It's pretty intensive. It's time-consuming. You've got to do your homework. You've got to do your research. You've got plan checks. You've got architects to deal with. You've got design problems. You've got procurement materials. It's just an all-day job. And for someone that didn't have the time, why, it wouldn't work out. Is it possible for someone who doesn't have the time to contract that house to be built and still get it built the way that it should be instead of the way that most of them are? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would say instead of buying a track home or something, I'd buy something that may be a smaller outfit or a small company building a speculation home. When they're building a speculation home, that means that they're putting the house together in the hopes that it'll sell. So they're going to take a little more time. They're going to add a few more amenities, a little better grade of carpet, a little better roof. I think it's a better bargain. The ideal thing would be for the person to design his own home and seek out somebody's qualified personnel, whether it be a mason or whether it be a carpenter or whether it be a roofer. You know, get people that have a reputation, that have a track record of doing quality work. Uh-huh. How would somebody know who does quality work? I mean, they've all got licenses. That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get quality work. Yeah. What is, how does someone find real craftsmen? How does someone go out and find people like yourself who really do good work and who really do care? And don't try to cut those corners and, you know, cheat the buyer or the builder or whoever they happen to be working for. How do you find those people? You know, that's kind of a tough question. It's like trying to find a good auto mechanic or a good doctor or a good lawyer. More word of mouth, you have to do your homework. You have to go around some of the better places and ask around who's good. Ask the building inspectors. They know who the good guys are and who aren't, who does the quality work. So you think the building inspectors would tell you the truth? Yeah, they would steer you to the right people. I imagine in these smaller areas, I don't know what they do in the big city. Well, you hear these stories, and I've had people tell me to my face that, you know, they make these little payoffs all the time and they get all the work steered to them. Well, that happens too. That's part of the, actually, the bad name and bad reputation of contractors. The bad make it hard on the good guys. We also know that people get involved in projects themselves. Like somebody might want to build a, divide a room in half, you know, whatever they want to do. And they're going to do it themselves, and they go out and they buy the Reader Digest book and all these kinds of things. And they watch, what's his name on this old house? Who is that? Bob Vila. Bob Vila. But there's somebody better than him. There's a couple who, a man and a woman who have a show. I forget the name of the show, and I forget their name. But they actually show you how to do all that stuff, and they do a pretty good job of it. Have you ever watched their program? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's interesting. I think people could do it if you're a little bit mechanically inclined. You don't have to be an athlete or anything. You've got to have proper tools. That helps. If you don't get in a big hurry and take your time and do your research, there's a lot of things in the library. You can get books on carpentry, or now they've got videos out. Hire an old guy. Hire an old retired carpenter or something. They show you a few tricks and, you know. Uh-huh. But what are some tips for people who want to do that? I mean, how do they know what kind of lumber to look for? Like you showed me some things that I would never look for. If I went down to buy some 2x4s, I'd tell the guy what a 22x4s, he'd probably load up the junkiest stuff he had in my trailer, and I'd go rolling off thinking everything was okay. But how do you know if you're getting good lumber? And if you're getting good lumber, how do you know if you've got the good pieces of that good lumber? What are the things that people need to look for? That's taken me years. You see, there's a certain, they grade lumber. There's an industry standard, supposedly, Western wood products. Yeah, you amazed me today. You're picking up one piece of wood and another piece of wood, and you're showing me the difference between the two. And one of them is used for this, and another one is used for that. And one's no good. And the other one's got rounded corners, and the other one has square corners, and you've got to use it for this, this, and this. And I look at it, it all looks the same to me. So fill us in here, Jeff. Well, if you've got about 25 years, I guess you can figure out which board to put where. You have to work your material. It's like anything working leather or working metal or working any kind of a craft. You get to learn your medium, your material, what goes where. Anything structural, I would recommend you use Douglas fir because it's a resonance wood. If you're into lighter stuff, little partitions, you can use ham fir or pine studs. Depends on geographically where you're located. Why would you recommend Douglas fir for building? Strongest. It's resonance. It's the best. Structurally, it's the strongest. West Coast fir. When you're looking at wood, you showed me some things, like for framing, to make sure that all the corners are there on the wood and that they're not rounded off. And because you're going to be building walls, you want them to be square and true and all that kind of stuff. And if you don't have straight 2x4s to build the framing that have really good corners on them, then your wall is going to reflect that. Yeah, you'll have a crooked house. Yeah, a crooked house. Crooked wood, you'll have a crooked house. Crooked little man with a crooked little house. That's right. That's right. Who played the crooked little carpenter who built the crooked little house. But over the years, I've seen it deteriorate, the lumber materials. They've gone from, I don't know where it's going or where they were running out of timber, which I doubt. But each year the grade gets a little worse. They allow more knots at the same grade as before. It's just, and it costs more. I can't figure it out. I don't know what's going on. But I have to work with it. Well, you know, that's happening all across the board with all different kinds of materials, not just lumber, but with everything. And with food, too. The same thing with food. Remember when you used to go to the grocery store and get prime beef? Yeah. We can't get prime beef now. And remember what used to be labeled as good is now choice. Mm-hmm. And the one that was below good is now good. And, you know, this is happening everywhere. And it's happening with everything. And I don't really know why either, but I know that it certainly is. There were some other things that you wanted to talk about tonight and share with our listening audience. But while you're thinking about that, we're going to take a break. Don't go away, folks. We'll be right back. And, you know, you should be listening to this broadcast. 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Well, Joe, let's talk a little bit about, and then we'll take some calls. How does someone know if they've got some problems with their house that can be corrected, either by them or by somebody who knows what to do, and add a lot of strength and years to their house and probably some value while they're at it, without, you know, tearing the whole place apart and rebuilding it from the ground up? What can they do? Well, I would suggest that the first thing is don't buy a bad house. Well, of course. But it's like you can get a lemon in a car and you can get a lemon in a house, only the house is going to be a lot more expensive than the car. And a lot harder to sell if it's obviously a lemon. But people need to do, for this kind of investment, people need to be more educated. They need to do their homework. They need to find out whether the outfit that they're buying, the company that they're buying their home from has got a good track record. Go ask somebody that lives in one of their houses. Walk up to the door and knock on the door and say, how do you like this? How do you like the home? Do you have any problems with it? You hear stories of people being in the house like a year and all of a sudden there's big cracks in the roof and cracks in the corners of the walls. And like you said, the doors stick and things don't work as well as they used to. That's because that green wood is drying out. It's all warping and going crazy. Not only that, it warps and goes crazy much worse than it would because the framing isn't done properly. Instead of putting framing at 16 inches apart, they go to like two feet. Does anybody go more than two feet? No. That's not allowed. They'll go as wide as two feet. And instead of putting two or three nails wherever they are needed, they may only put one. And, of course, there's no structural integrity there. Take, for example, a typical... By the way, folks, I learned all this from Joe today. I don't know anything about it. Take your... Just your basic track home. What we call a cuckum track. Anyway, you've got a 2x4 wall. Inside, you have a half inch of drywall, gypsum board. Outside, you have a half inch of rigid styrofoam and a half inch of stucco. And that's it? That's your wall. What about insulation? Well, yeah, you have R11 insulation. Three and a half inches of insulation. Uh-huh. But that doesn't do anything structurally for you. And that's it. You've really got drywall and... Drywall. Drywall. And covered with, hopefully, a half inch of stucco. Stucco. Wow. Now, that's incredible. That really is incredible. We used to call them the hollow houses. We could knock on them. I do know a little bit about houses. How houses used to be built. Back in the days when people took pride and understood that a home was supposed to last for an awful long time. And that's why you have framed homes and these old Victorian homes still standing today that were built well over 100 years ago. In the Midwest, like what we used to call the, not the brownstones, but they were graystones. They had the big porch, the big massive porch. Yeah. They were beautiful homes with built-ins. And that was an era that's gone. Before the Second World War, my homes were pretty well built by individuals that knew what they were doing. They were craftsmen. They weren't in a hurry. Uh-huh. It might take them a year to build a house. But after the war, a guy by the name, I don't remember his first name. His name was Leavitt. He got the idea that he could build homes like people build cars. They'd have a framing crew come in. They'd have a sheeting crew come in. You have everybody specialized. Everybody's doing their piece work. And it was like an assembly line. They could save money, but yet you didn't get the quality. You didn't get that craftsmanship because it was, well, let's say, after the war, all the soldiers came home. And they got married. And they had kids. And there weren't any places to rent. There was a housing shortage. Yeah. So it's taken off from there to what it is today. Like I say, they crank a house out in 28 days, and I'm sure that there's outfits a little quicker than that. Yeah. Well, back in the old days, they used to buy all the materials that were going to go into a house, that were going to go into a house. They would dig the foundation. They would lay the foundation either with stone or with concrete or however they were going to do it. And then they would let it cure and set and reach its maximum strength. And then they would pile all of the lumber and the window frames and everything that they had, the trusses, everything, on top of that foundation after it had cured and reached its maximum strength. And they would cover it and let it sit for an entire year. And that was so that if the foundation was going to shift or settle, it would do so because it would have the weight of all the material, even the nails, they would pile on top of this foundation. And after that year was over, they would take all the stuff off. They would re-measure and take the level of the foundation. And if there was anything wrong, if it had settled, then they would fix it right then. And then and only then would they build the house. And so they had some tremendously solid and sound foundations. And they built really good homes. And that lumber had sat there and cured for a whole year and dried right there on the spot where it was going to become a home. So it adapted and acclimated to the weather and all of that stuff. And they don't do any of that now. No. That would be you'd have to do that yourself. You'd have to be an owner builder or hire someone special to do that for you. Like I say, nowadays, you're cranking them out in 28 days. You want to take some calls? Yeah, let's take some calls. Okay. Well, the number is 520-333-4578. If you'd like to call and ask Joe a question about carpentry or homes or, you know, something about your house, how to fix it if you have a problem or any of those kinds of things while he's here, take advantage of it. Because he has a tremendous wealth of knowledge. I don't know anything about it. And so probably I'm not asking the right questions tonight. And Joe, being his first time on radio, is a little bit petrified over here. You ought to see his ears are glowing redder than Rudolph's nose. And I'm not trying to embarrass him. Get a little humor into this. Good evening. You're on the air. Joe, hi, Joe. This is Dave from Wisconsin. Hey, Joe. I don't know if you can hear me. I can't hear you through here. I've got a house here, and I'm wondering what type of installation board to put on the exterior, adding to an existing 3 1⁄2-inch wall, because it's cold up here in Wisconsin, obviously. And they're recommending our board, one inch with the R rating of 8. Is that going to pay off in the future for such a minimal amount of insulation? You're talking about a rigid, like a polystyrene? That's correct, yes. And they recommend it against the, incidentally, the aluminum foil there, because they said sometimes. It has an aluminum backing, front and back. Yeah, they recommend against that with the vinyl siding, though. They said it interacts with the siding. So they're going just with the plain, what they call R board, without the metal foil. What would you recommend, Joe? Well, now you're going to have existing siding, and you're going to put the R board, as they call it, over that, and then you're going to go vinyl siding over the R board. Yeah, they're going to pull the masonite siding off, and then they're going to put the R board on, put the masonite siding on flush to add a backing for the vinyl so it looks smooth. Yeah. And we're wondering, I'm wondering if that's, you know, worth the effort for only an R factor of 8. Well, I'll tell you, I think you'll get a little more than that out of it. Plus, being where you're at, it's cold, and it gets cold here. And I did the same, similar thing to my house. My pipes used to freeze inside the walls. It's an older house. Uh-huh. And I put some of that stuff on there, and it quit doing that altogether. It makes it much more comfortable. It makes it quieter. It gives you some sound attenuation. It also gives you insulation and vapor barrier. It's pretty hard to beat that stuff as an afterproduct. So you think that the 1-inch would, even though it's a lower value, would probably give you a little bit better long-term or after the installation then? Well, you've got a 3-1⁄2-inch wall now, right? Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay, so that's just more between you and the weather. I was thinking one person said get this 2-1⁄2-inch stuff for $25 a sheet, but it'd take you almost 25 years for that to pay for it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I don't think I'd go any thicker than 1-inch because you get into the real thick 2-1⁄2-inch, 2-inch way, it's hard to fasten it. And it's hard to fasten anything on top of that and get it to hold. Yeah. Your nails are getting extremely long. Well, okay. I won't keep you, fellas. Thank you, Joe. And Bill, I just picked you up here. I'm starting in on the shortwave stuff. And I think out of all of them, you're the one. And I appreciate what you're putting out there. And what I would suggest, I'd like to order some stuff. And I'm sure some of the people would like to order some of your material there. But we don't have too much time on the advertising thing. Well, that's because this broadcast didn't have – it's not a salesman show. I'm not trying to sell you anything. But you're good. And you've got good ideas. And you're sound what you say. And the literature that you would support from what you write or contribute via your broadcast would be, you know, everybody would – a lot of people, I'm sure, would enjoy ordering. Or like you said, it's not a salesmanship. But I, myself, would like to see what you have available. Just see for thought. Well, maybe we'll talk about some of this stuff tomorrow. Yeah, okay. Well, thank you for your time, fellas. Thank you. And it's not just that that board is of less value because it's cumulative. He's adding it over three and a half inches of insulation already, which means that instead of going down like he obviously thought, he's actually increasing the R rating. Oh, yeah. He's increasing his resistance to heat transfer. That's what you're after. I think what he's talking about is going to be money well spent in the long run. Okay. Good evening. You're on the air. Yeah, good evening. This is Len in North Carolina. I've got a question for Joe. Uh-huh. Go ahead. I just had a cement pad poured about a 27 to be made into a carport maybe later on and closed into a garage. And it's at least five or six inches thick at the minimum. Well, I'm getting a hairline crack. It's about 30 days old now. Getting a hairline crack starting across the width of this cement pad. It's a real, real fine crack. It doesn't go all the way from side to side. It stops about halfway. Well, I'll tell you what the three things that concrete's guaranteed to do. Uh-huh. And it's guaranteed to get hard, turn white, and crack. Uh-huh. And that's, I don't, the way it sounds, as long as it stays a small crack, a hairline crack, see, it's got a, it's got, it has to move. It has to crack. It has to crack somewhere. It has to relieve the tension. And the bigger the slab, I do know a little bit about concrete. The bigger the slab that's poured, the more it's going to crack because it doesn't have anything to work against except itself. That's why you have sidewalks poured in small squares with that, with that expanding material that used to be tar. I don't know what they use today. Between the cracks so that as the concrete expanded, it would, it would, this tar would give way. Uh-huh. And sometimes you would even see those crack, but they're not as prone to crack as, as a larger slab. Now, did you, did they put expansion joints? Do I got expansion joints in there? Uh, I had the driveway done, too. It's about $5,000 worth of work all the time. Well, it's been in two different stages. They poured the head for the, uh, the lodge first. And then it cured out about two weeks before it parked any vehicles on it. Uh-huh. And they poured, uh, the, the driveway up to the slab. Uh-huh. So they had about two weeks of curing time before it got to park anything on it. And they said you could drive on your driveway after three days. How many days? Yeah, after three days. No. I gave it up. Uh-huh. Yeah, I would wait a little. You should cover it. If, they should have covered it for seven days, kept it moist. Well, down here in the south, they don't cover anything. I watched a lot of places pour. Yeah, well, see, you'll lose 50% of your strength by not covering it. If it rains and, and it's still wet, they'll cover it or something like that. But, uh, concrete continues to get hard. Uh, 50 years from now, it's continuing to get hard. Uh-huh. And it's not just water drying in this goo that you poured. It's, there's a chemical reaction that takes place. Yeah, I understand. They put, uh, as far as expansion joints, they put metal expansion joints out in the driveway part. But the slab is just a big square like you were talking about, a rectangle. Uh-huh. It has not as expansion joints in it at all that I know of. Normally what they'll do, they'll, at 12 feet or 15 foot intervals, they'll strike a joint, not all the way through, just make a groove. Uh-huh. And that allows a place for it to crack. Uh-huh. It gives it, it's under stress. All right. Uh, and as long as it, as long as it stays a small hairline crack, I don't, I don't think you're going to have any problem. Did you, did you have any, uh, wire mesh or reinforcement in the concrete? There's no rebar or anything in it. As a matter of fact, I hadn't even called him. It just happened a couple days ago that I noticed it. And then, you know, it's better to get your fingernail in it. And I thought I'd give him a call and see what his opinion was on it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if it gets any bigger, uh, I, I'd say you'd have some recourse. But, uh, if it's just a small crack, why, uh, you're going to see that in any, any kind of concrete work you do. Sooner or later, somewhere it's going to crack. Just normal. Okay. Well, have me word. I appreciate that. Will you see one, Joe, that goes all the way across the whole slab? I mean, that's what he's talking about. Even if it's a hairline crack, I mean, that's, that's a pretty big crack. Yeah. It's, it's, it's an indication that it's relieving stress. Can it, can it be sealed? I guess it could. I mean, it's not necessarily cracked all the way through, I don't think. This has been whirly-birded and, you know, slicked on the top. Okay. They might have, they. That's what I'm seeing cracked is that very thin layer on the top. Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of times, sometimes if you work cement too much, if you finish it, work it too much, you draw out too much of the fines, you draw out too much of the, the, the, uh, cement out of there and you get like what they call eggshell cracks. You get little, little, uh. That's what it looks like. Yeah, like little eggshell cracks. I wouldn't worry about that. That's just a surface thing. Yeah, this is just in a, pretty much a straight line, you know. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, I appreciate the information and I want to tell Bill, um, every listener of this show, um, I've been listening to you, Bill, probably about three years now. So keep up the good work. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. And thank you for your call. 5-2-0-3-3-3-4-5-7-8 is the number. Yeah, I thought he was talking about a crack through the, the main slab, but he was talking about that small layer that they, they put over the top to finish it out and make it look nice and smooth and beautiful. No, that's, I get that on my back. That's nothing. Good evening. You're on the air. Yeah. Hello. Hello. Yeah, Joe. It's a good program. Uh, listen, I was in the, uh, I live in Dallas, outside of Dallas, Texas, and, uh, I was in construction for well over 20 years. I agree with everything you say. I've seen it all. Literally. And, um, you said the right thing about people, um, finding, checking around, finding the right people. And another thing, um, is if you're having a house built or you've picked one out, go out there every day as often as you can. Look at the concrete. Look at the framing. Look at the wood. Make sure it's being done right. And really look at it because I've seen the quality around here just go down the tube. You know, that reminds me of something. If you go and you, you pick out a lot and you've already bought the house before they build it, you have the right then. If you've already paid for it, you have the right to go to that construction site and supervise the building of that house. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And, um, you know, we used to like, man, I mean, you know, some of these guys would come out and, you know, they'd bring you pizza and drinks and stuff. And, uh. Smart people. Yeah. And, uh, well, there's a lot of folks around here, man. I mean, you know, they'll just, they'll, boy, there's a lot of sloppy stuff I see around here. You know, siding and interior. It just comes apart real quick. Uh, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's incredible that most people don't know what to look for if they just do a little research and spend a little time. Uh, but they're spending a lot of money over a lot of years. And, uh, it's going to, you know, it's, it's, it pays off to spend a little time and, and catch it right from the start, especially with that concrete. Oh, Lord. You know, it, it gets real hot here. And they pour the concrete. They never covered it. And, uh, they, every now and then you'd see them walk, some guys walk around, like on a sidewalk or something. And they'd be spraying, uh, kerosene or something on it. Kind of a semi-cover, kind of try to seal it. Or they'd use kind of a paraffin-based sealant on the concrete. I used to snap lines a lot. I did that for years. We'd snap lines on these big jobs. And, um, we'd get on it right after they poured it while it was still sort of wet. Yeah. And then they'd just start dumping the material on it and go right after it the next day. Mm-hmm. And, uh, they'd shorten the concrete a little bit, too. So the, the bottom plate didn't necessarily sit all the way on the wall, either. It'd be leaning over. And, um, yeah, they'd cut a little bit of concrete here and there, quarter inch, half inch here and there. That added up, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, uh... Are you guys trying to tell me that a lot of these people who bought $200,000 homes really only have a $25,000 home? Sure. Absolutely. I mean, this is true real quick. And, and, and you, you'd see these real nice homes that have that cheap masonite siding on it, you know. And here in Texas, I mean, man, it's blazing hot. And it'd get wet. And they used this yellow pine, yellow pine studs for framing. Man, it'd rain and the sun would come out and get that stuff and it'd look like spaghetti. Yeah. Wow. And they, they keep right on using it, man. And, uh, I did a lot of punch out on that stuff. And we'd go in and straighten the studs out in the wall. And, uh, my goodness, you could go in there after they had already sheetrocked and textured it and painted it. Oh, it looked awful. But then I had the eye to catch it. I could see that. I was, boy, this looks awful. And these people were going in there in these, uh, in these, um, developments and, uh, these areas where they were building these nice homes. And, man, they really thought they were, they were living good. You know, they were better than everybody else. They were a new part of town where all the rich folks lived. But, well, I'll tell you what, within a year, that siding would start warping and the trim face part would start, start coming loose. And, oh, it just really looks shabby. You know, I, I hate to do this, but I got to cut this off because we're out of time. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, don't be sorry. I wish I could let you talk some more because, uh, you know, the reason I did this broadcast tonight is because the biggest investment anybody ever makes is the, uh, their home. And not only that, their home is a great part of the American dream. And I hate it. I, I can't stand it that people are being cheated and, and, uh, and taken on, on these homes like they are today. It just, it, it, it, it is horrible. But anyway, we're out of time. So I want to thank you for your call. And, uh, Joe, I want to thank you for being our guest. And we're going to have you back. And next time, uh, we're just going to take calls because, you know, just like I said a while ago, these people, they know what, what to ask because they're having the problems. And, and I think that's what we need to do. 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