The American Demon's CaptainNam Twenty Consessее Light PV THESE AND THAT ONE WHO'S B fighting music gives you the bigger bar 어 PALAs projector... iht Niagara Falls thank you Aaaaah thumbs up no I的 You're listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Gee, folks, we have no idea what we're going to do tonight. But I've been busy upgrading software on the computer all day. Doyle has been busy working. And he just got home, and I just finished with the last download. Actually, the next to the last. I've got a big, huge download I've got to do tomorrow to upgrade, I don't know what it is, Internet Explorer 4.01 service pack, I think. So, anyway, Christmas is coming up. And if you haven't decided what gifts you're going to get for everybody, remember this, folks. We have some fantastic things that we offer on this broadcast to pay for the airtime, to make this program not so painful. And so we would appreciate it that if you would purchase your Christmas gifts from us. And if you know people who don't have shortwave radios, the best thing in the world you could do for them is purchase a shortwave radio for them for Christmas and turn them on to the Hour of the Time. And all the other great broadcasting on shortwave all around the world. It's an incredible experience for people who have never listened to shortwave to find out that, gee, Dan Rather Not and Ted Kovulate didn't tell me this stuff on the news that I just heard on the BBC are from Radio Moscow, are from Argentina, are many of the, in Japan, are any of the other great sources of news around the world. It's quite an awakening. And, of course, when they hear the Hour of the Time, they just go into total shock for about two weeks, and then they begin to come out of it slowly. Now, I've been looking around for gifts for us up here on this hill. And I've determined that about the best thing that we could get for Christmas, and I'm not talking about from you folks, that we personally can purchase for Christmas for us up here, for a little bit of recreation and other things. It sure would be nice if we could send an aircraft out on patrol once in a while with a little TV camera in the nose from Ramsey Products and do some record ordering that way without endangering anybody. And so we're looking at radio-controlled aircraft and helicopters. And we have found some fantastic things. And I was kind of hoping that some of you out there who may be involved in radio control hobby might want to call in and give us some pointers. But before we do that, because of our computer downloading and everything, we thought we were going to have to go on the air without taking calls. So if you're listening at WBCQ, if you're listening at WBCQ, what we're going to have to do in order to take calls tonight is we're going to have to break our connection with the station and call in again because we've got to switch two phone lines. So Randy Steele or Al Wiener, if you're there at the station and you're listening, what we need to do is go off the air for about one minute and call you back on the proper line so that we can take calls because we can't take calls on the line that the phone is hooked to right now. So that's what we'd like to do. And just to make sure that that's okay, I'm going to have Doyle call the station and make sure that you understand what we're going to do so that we can disconnect at the same time. And I'm sorry to put you through this, folks, but we did not know that, you see, we had a computer downloading massive files from the Internet. After it's been downloading like an hour and a half, you don't want to cut the computer off and, you know, and start all over again because then you've got to go through all that hour and a half, two-hour download again. So we had switched the phone lines in the studio thinking that the computer would not finish. And the computer finished its download about four minutes before we were scheduled to go on the air. And Randy, that's why we didn't call you until the last minute. We had no idea what was going to happen because of that computer download. So for all those of you who don't have computers and don't understand this, just don't pay any attention to it because it took me several years to learn all about it and I don't have time to explain it to you. You'll eventually have to learn it because everything that's going on in the world today has something to do with computers. And the more you know about it, the better off you are. Not only that, folks, but it's a good idea to get connected to the Internet because there's a tremendous amount of information that you're missing out on. There's also a tremendous amount of disinformation and lies and all kinds of other crap on the Internet that you're missing out on that you're not missing at all. But the stuff that's on there that is good is worth searching for and worth verifying, doing whatever you have to do. Did they answer? It's okay? Whenever you want to. Okay, Randy. I'm going to count down to five and then we're going to disconnect our line and switch these phone lines and we'll be calling you instantly. Everybody listening, wherever you're at, just hold on. We'll be right back on the air in about one minute. So don't go away. Here we go. Five, four, three, two, one. One, two, one. Okay, folks, we should be back on the air right now. You should be hearing me. So anyway, as I was saying before, I would really like it. And, you know, I don't know if you'd like it or not, but I would really like it if we could get some of our listening audience to... I accidentally hit this button as I'm tucking phone lines in where they're supposed to go instead of draping all over the mixing board. Okay. What I would like to do is have some of you who either are currently engaged in radio-controlled helicopters or airplanes, the model types, or have been at some point in your life, or, you know, if there's anybody out there listening who does that kind of thing, we'd like to talk about that on the air tonight, amongst other things. But I really would like to get some expert advice because we're looking at some things that we don't know anything about. And, you know, I've always been of the mind, folks, that if you don't know anything about something, it's better to get some advice from some people who do rather than jump in with both feet and get burned or make a mistake or screw something up or, you know, you know how that goes. And so what we'd like to do is find out from you in our listening audience, some of you I know, well, I think, I don't know, I think may have, one time in your life, messed around with the radio-controlled model airplanes and model helicopters. And we want to do two things with it. Let me tell you what we want to do with these things. We want to provide some educational experience with the girls in what makes an airplane fly. And a small engine is a good way to teach children about mechanics and what makes engines work. And I used to do U-control with model airplanes when I was a boy. But that was so long ago. I mean, everything is, I'm sure the construction of the model airplanes is pretty similar to the way I used to do it. It's probably a lot easier today because we had to actually make a lot of parts ourselves. And I understand you don't have to do that anymore. And I understand also that the model airplane engines are much better today than they ever were when we were using them. And we had, of course, U-control. Our control line is what some people used to call it. And you had these two wires hooked to your airplane. They went through the wing. And the only control that you had was the rudder. You could make the plane go up or down. But that was it. You couldn't do anything else. And, of course, you went around in a circle as fast as the airplane went. So the faster the plane, the faster you went around in a circle. And sometimes it was pretty hilarious to see how dizzy some people would get and what would happen after that. And, of course, there were the expected plane crashes once in a while. So we want it for recreation for all of us and for the girls. And for the girls, we want it to be an educational experience and we like to build the plane. or helicopter, whatever it happens to be. Or maybe both. And then we want to adapt at least one for flying with television capabilities to transmit back to us what it sees. And for that, we may want something that uses electric power so that it's not noisy. But anyway, we'd like to hear from anybody in the audience who's done these things before or is in the process of doing it and might know something about it. So you can start calling in anytime you want to. If you have experience with radio control, model airplanes, or helicopters, we'd like to hear from you anytime. So you can call right now if you want to. The number is 520-333-4578. And if nobody has any experience like that, it's going to be kind of rare. I understand this is a pretty popular sport. But, you know, who knows. And Doyle went out to get some material that he's going to be using. I'm looking around to see what I've got here to do, ladies and gentlemen. And I really don't have anything. So, we'll just open the phones and you can talk about whatever you want to talk about. I'd like to get some feedback from what's going on now concerning these elections and the aftermath. I think that's pretty important. I'd like to talk about that with the listening audience. And anybody, any of you who have had experience with model airplanes, specifically the radio controls type, we'd like to hear from you anytime tonight. anytime during this broadcast, feel free to call in. So, the phones are open right now at 520-333-4578. And I guess that's what we're going to do for the rest of the broadcast tonight is take your calls and talk about whatever it is that's on your mind. And I hope that somebody out there who has model airplane experience will also call in and we can get the benefit of some first-hand expertise. which I don't have, folks. I really don't. And don't don't know what I'm doing when it comes to things like that. Good evening. You're on the air. Okay, let me check my radio. Oh, God. Okay, I'm here. Okay. Is this Bill Pipper? Yes, it is. Okay, now, with the remote control, radio control planes, the true radio control planes, you do have to have at least a code free tech license, hand license. A what now? You have to have a, it's known as a technician, no code, hand license. Now, how do you get that? None of the, none of the model airplane or radio control catalogs that we've been looking at have said a word about anything like that. Yeah, you're supposed to have it because it's in the 50 megahertz range. The cheapest models are about $350 and they go on up $500, $600 for a really good one. Because I know some guys that have one and they call it a black tag or something. I don't have one yet but I'm very curious about getting one with like a 900 megahertz closed circuit TV camera. Uh-huh. Well, you know, we can get those kinds of things right through RIMSY and you don't need any kind of license. Yeah, but like even better quality ones are more like your spy camera sight lenses and they're more expensive but you do have to have a no-code technician hand license to legally run that type of aircraft. Huh. Well, that's weird. Does those things come with the transmitters? Uh, you gotta basically go to like Radio Shack or what have you. Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, that's baloney. If it's... Oh, you're supposed to have a license? No, no, no. If it's intrastate, if it's broadcasting intrastate, you don't need a license from the FCC. You're supposed to because it's one to three mile range and you can cause interference and cause problems with other people's stuff. Excuse me, the federal government only has authority given to it by the Constitution for the United States of America. The only authority granted... I know about it. The only authority granted to the FCC comes under the Interstate and International Commerce Clause. Wow. They have no authority whatsoever to regulate intrastate broadcasting of any kind. I agree with you. I don't like government intervention either. Well, it's not government intervention. That's the law. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Yeah, but you know, the FCC is. They think they own... I don't care about that. I drew my line in the sand a long time ago. They're the outlaws, not me. I know. It's the same thing about the gun permits. I know. So... But, you know, they also have radio-controlled boats and submarines and things like that. I mean, they think it's in a big box. Uh-huh. Well, what we've been looking at seems to be pretty reasonable. I mean, you can get a really good model aircraft kit for about $78. I mean, a real big plane that we've, you know, as far as we can tell is really a good airplane. Well, who knows? There might be a different class of where it's only like within a mile or something might be license-free. But these types I was looking at, it's like two or three mile range. And, I mean, you can probably, you know, you can hook the thing up with explosives. You know, make a little commonality out of it. Maybe that's why they're supposed to be a license. I don't know. No, we're not going to hook up anything with explosives. We're not... Maybe you have a little V-1 buzz bomb or something. No, we're not interested in V-1 buzz bombs either. Yeah, well, you know how it is. You know, if you go to Tennessee to get fireworks where I live, I mean, you can get them here, but you have to sign a V-1-stay you're not going to shoot them off here. Well, how'd this get to fireworks? We're not interested in fireworks. I'm just saying, though, nowadays you're supposed to sign a permit piece of paper and even buy those anymore. This used to be a free country. You used to be able to buy fireworks and guns without signing pieces of paper. It's bad business anymore. Well, it is, but it's not because the law demands that we do that. It's because the outlaws have thrown the law in the trash can and they are forcing people to do it through tyranny. I agree with you. I mean, I'm very upset with some of the local elections in my area even. What happened in your area? What was the... I'm calling from the state of Indiana and Indiana's got one of your better laws even though you have to have permits. They've got better laws than a lot of states that don't even issue permits like New York State unless you really know somebody. But our local congressman, we've got a very liberal Democrat as opposed to death penalty, as opposed to gun rights, as opposed to saying anything about abortion. Total liberal Democrat. And we had a very good NRA-sponsored opponent that narrowly lost to this guy. And we're kind of upset about it down here. I mean, I don't dislike all Democrats. Don't get me wrong. There's some very good Democrats. I like some of the Democrats in our state. But there's also some, you know, very too liberal Democrats in the state too. Well, you're not talking about too liberal. What you're talking about is outright subversives. Yeah, you're socialists and, you know, almost fascists in my opinion. Yeah. Well, all I can say is, yeah, good luck because, yeah, I had some fun when I was a kid too. You're talking about the two-string aircraft. I enjoyed this. Oh, kind of a yellow tail with a star on it? No, we used to build them out of balsa wood. Yeah, and then the thing would go vertical and crash on you. Well, if you didn't work the control lines right, yeah, it'd probably do anything. You hear the rubber bands you can go, uh-oh. Anyway, good talking with you. Okay, thanks for calling. All right. Bye-bye. Okay, folks, we're not interested in putting explosives in planes or anything like that. All we're interested in is learning about radio-controlled airplanes so that we can have some recreation with them so that we can use them to our advantage as reconnaissance craft if we need to and so that, you know, we can educate the girls. Pooh is at that age now where she's really interested in airplanes and helicopters and things like that and mechanics and I let her use my pocket mechanic. I think it was today. Yeah, it was today. I let her use my pocket mechanic today and she was thrilled to death and a few weeks ago I gave her her own pocket knife and she was just thrilled to death with that. Of course, she had to have a long lecture on safety with a knife and all that kind of stuff but she loves those kinds of things. Good evening. You're on the air. Yeah, this is Paul from Ohio. Hi, Paul. Hey, yeah, just wanting to comment on the election night there broadcast you have. Uh-huh. You're coming okay in this area. I just had a little bit of bleed through from that Voice of America but some of the issues that were going on around here seems like they dealt they're all dealing mostly with Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. That's all socialism. Yeah, they were seems like all the campaign literature we'd get in the house there, you know, you could just black out Democrat or Republican and you couldn't tell who was running for what, you know. Yeah, well, they're appealing to the base nature of human beings and people don't care about the issues anymore they don't care about freedom anymore. Most people, all they care about is what else can I get from the government? What else can I get from the government? They're all talking about oh, the Social Security Trust Fund is in danger and they're not even smart enough to go look in the law and find out that there isn't any Social Security Trust Fund. Never was. All that money goes in the general fund because it's not an insurance policy and right in the law it tells you it's a tax. Yeah, another thing that they were all mentioning was you know, everyone's fighting for us. Everyone's fighting for our families. I guess I feel pretty safe now if everyone's fighting for me in Washington, you know. Who's fighting for us? I don't know. They say they are, you know. They're fighting to enslave us. But, yeah, that's all I've got to say on that. Thanks for getting back on the air there. You're welcome. All right. Catch you later. Thanks for calling. 520-333-457 is the number. I'd really like to hear from some people who have some radio control model airplane or helicopter experience to give us some advice. But, we'll take calls from anybody. Good evening. You're on the air. Good evening. This is the Wig Bill. I need you to talk really loud, Bill. Put that receiver right in front of your mouth as close to your lips as you can and talk real loud. Okay, sir. A multi-radio control airplane. Yes. You'll do real good with a 40-class engine, 40 size, about one horsepower. OS Max makes real good engines. A really good radio is a Futaba 6XA. That's a six channel. Boy, that's exactly what I've been looking at. That same OS Max engine. It's a 40 engine and a Futaba 6XA was what I was looking at. Is that the one that you're recommending? Yes, sir. That's exactly what we're about here. I fly with a couple friends from work and it's really good stuff. What about this license thing? What he's talking about has something to do with transmitting video. For flying an airplane, you don't need one. Ah, that's what I thought. I figured if you needed a license, I mean, how could these catalogs and these people doing business and this hobby sell this stuff to people without telling them that they have to have a license? That's correct. There is a 15 megahertz band that was a ham radio band that you're the license for, but anything you're going to use or buy, it won't be that. Oh, good. Well, we wouldn't get it anyway because we know what the law really is and as long as we're not transmitting commercial broadcasting across state or international boundaries, then we don't need it. Your helicopter is way up beyond. Helicopter's the hardest thing to fly there is. Really? That's years down the road. Years down the road? You need it to train an airplane, something very slow and very big that you can see, and you really should find somebody locally to help you fly it the first few times. You're going to crash. It's inevitable. Well, yeah, I learned that when I was a boy. It's inevitable that whatever you're flying, however you're flying it, it's eventually going to crash. And if you can find somebody at a local RC club to help you, that will give you a much better heads up. Well, I don't even know if there is a local RC club. I remember Annie and I took a drive out by the airport in Eager Springerville airport one time and there were some people out there flying model airplanes, but I don't know if there's a club and I guess I'm going to have to find that out. Well, that would be fine if you just seen somebody, you know, to stop and talk to them. Everybody's really friendly. And there's also a computer simulator you can get from Dave Brown products as one, a great plane to just put out one. And that way you can do it on a computer with a similar transmitter that you actually fly with and that will help you out some too. Is it really like really flying a radio controlled airplane or is it kind of hokey stuff? I haven't tried the great planes when it's much more expensive. It's probably $250. I use the Dave Brown. It helps some, yes. It's not exactly exactly the same, but it is pretty good. And do you have the same kind of controls to play with it? Yes, you do. You have, you know, it's not a transmitter, but it looks like the transmitter box with the control sticks. Uh-huh. So it's very similar. Pull that chair. Come on up here. Talk to this man. Who just walked in here? She wants to fly an airplane. Come on up here. Talk to him. Ask him how hard it is for an eight-year-old girl to fly an airplane. Go ahead. Talk. How hard is it for an eight-year-old girl to fly an airplane? It'll be real hard, but what you can do is they have a thing called a trainer cord. You need two few Tava radios to do that. Uh-oh. Now we're talking money. You can jump control from one transmitter to the other, because that's what I do when I get in trouble. I say, you take it over, and the other guy will take it over so I don't crash it. Does this particular one you recommended, does that have that feature? Yes. It's an optional $15 cable, but you have to have two transmitters to do it. I see. One transmitter is actively transmitting, and the other one is just a dummy box. Oh, here comes Allison. She heard poo on the radio. She's coming. Here she comes. Okay. Well, you know, what would you recommend for poo? I mean, Allison, we all know, she can help us build it and give us moral support and be the great cheerleader. She's only three years old, but, you know, she's going to really enjoy. She enjoys watching a lot of things, you know, and I imagine this would be very exciting. It's a lot of fun. What kind of advice would you give to poo? I don't care. In fact, all of us. None of us have ever done this before. I mean, I built and flew U-controlled planes when I was a boy, long, long time ago. I've forgotten almost everything except every once in a while I used to get smacked by the propeller, and that hurt pretty big. She's exactly the same. You'll tend to much slower control it. It's what will happen. Just like the control line. Uh-huh. So if you're real calm and you don't want to fly in any wind whatsoever. Okay. Uh-oh. Well, we have those days around here once in a while. But that would be your best is find somebody flying and talk to them, have them help you set up your airplane. Uh-huh. And that just gives you the best odds for success. Is there a particular airplane kit that you would recommend that wouldn't destroy us or take eight months to build or something? Uh, when we fly, we fly a Dora plane. A Dora plane? Dora plane. Dora. Uh-huh. It's real easy to build, and it's real hard to break. Oh, well. Basically, a square plastic pipe is the body. Yeah, right. And you attach the tail to that. Yeah. And it's pretty bulletproof. I think it's about $60. Wow. There's a catalog called Tower Hobbies, and I think they're on the internet, tower.com. Uh-huh. We've got their catalog. Is that plane in there? Yes, yes it is. Okay. How big is it? Uh, it's about a 60-inch wingspan, I believe. Okay. The one we were looking at had about a 73-inch wingspan, I think. Um, Pooh, would you go get that model airplane catalog? Sure. Um, it's actually, it's not a model airplane catalog. It's a model airplane magazine that has a lot of those ads in it. We do have Tower Hobbies catalog done. I think we have Hobby Co. or Hobby something, Hobby Lobby, or something like that. I forget exactly what it is. The door plane is real nice because it's a foam wing. Uh-huh. It's a tissue it or build it up from sticks or nothing. And it's really quick assembly time, and it's surprisingly strong. How do you cover the wings and things today? Because when, in my day, we used silk and airplane dope. Right, that's changed. With this being foam, you have to use a low temperature plastic wrap, basically. It's plastic, and it's gummy on one side once you heat it with an iron. But you actually heat it with a small iron, the edges, and then you hit it with a heat gun, and that'll shrink it down. You're kidding. What? Oh, boy, I can see me screwing that up real evening. Both of us. The plane we were looking at is called a Telemaster, Telemaster 40. Have you ever heard anything about that? No, that's supposed to be a really good plane. Really? But that's going to be your stick construction. It'll take you a lot longer to build. Yeah. It'll fly a lot better. But when you crash it, you're going to have sticks. Well, if we have some glue and some extra sticks, how hard is it to fix these things? If you have a good set of plans, they'll actually detail out the shape of the ribs. Uh-huh. And if your plans are full size, you can actually make spare ribs just tracing them off the plans. All right. Okay. And the foam wing, you can buy an entire foam wing. So they are rebuildable. Okay. I remember we used to rebuild ours when I was a boy. In fact, we built most of what we flew from scratch. We would send away for some plans and they would come back and we'd spread them out on a table and we would get my mom's pin cushion full of pins and we would cut the shapes or draw the shapes on balls and cut those out and just, you know, assemble it right on the table over the plans and it was a lot of fun. But I understand now everything comes, it's already cut out and labeled and all that kind of stuff and all you do is put it together. Is that right? That's fairly much it. Most of it is die cut and you'll just assemble it, do light sanding. And with the advent of super glue, the building goes pretty quick. Wow. You know, that's one thing that kind of, another thing that I was kind of hesitant about. I see all these ads for something called CA. What in the world is that? That's super glue. Super glue. And you use super glue on balsa wood? Sure. You have fast drying, you have thin and thick. The thin pieces have perfectly made and west only glue them. If you have any kind of cracks or imperfections from the joint, then you have to use the thick CA, also called gap building. Uh-huh. But that's all it is. It's super glue. Wow. I also noticed that there's like a hundred different kinds. And that's what scared me. Because how do you know what glue to use on what joint or what wood? And if you use the wrong one, is your plane going to fall apart in the air? I would use thick all the time. And then they may have you use epoxy in the motor mount area. Uh-huh. Okay. You can have any problems. The instructions are real good. Any questions you want to ask, Poo? You're going to be flying this thing, you know. Yeah. You're the pilot. I don't know. She's at a loss for words. First time ever. Okay. Well, I really appreciate your call and the help that you've given us. And I really am pleased that right off the bat, you told us the transmitter and the engine that we were looking at. Yes, sir. That's really good stuff. Good. Well, thank you. That's great. You're welcome. Bye-bye. In fact, I remember OS Max when I was a boy, that factory had just started. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And we used Fox and Inya's. Inya, of course, is a Japanese engine manufacturer. But we used Fox. There were some other ones. I can't remember all of them. But we used like 15s and 19s and now people are using a big, giant engine. Yeah. A lawnmower. That's a new. Good evening. You're on the air. Hello, Bill. This is Louise here, Chicago again. Are you talking about planes? Yeah. There is another option to consider. Is this something that you're just for now going to play with? Oh, yeah. We'll play with it for a while. Well, if you consider the two-channel option. Two-channel option? Instead of a four-channel, like some of those four-channel radios, like you have engine control, and you have your other three axes of yaw pitch and roll. Actually, we were looking at a six-channel transmitter because... That's a helicopter. Pardon? If you want to do things like have flaps or bomb drops and stuff like that, it gets very elaborate. Well, we don't want bomb drops, but I'm sure we'll probably want flaps and ailerons and elevator and rudder and... Well, one of the things you can do is get a two-meter glider. That's what I got into because I don't have any money over here at all. Well, we don't either. In fact, if somebody doesn't start buying something, we're not going to have a radio show either. Mm-hmm. But go ahead. You bought a two-meter what? We didn't get a two-meter glider. So you're talking over a 73-inch wing stand there. And you get something that's ultra-stable that's got like a polyhedral wing. You lost me there. What's a polyhedral wing? A polyhedral is you've got a dihedral, which has a nice parasol shape. Well, the wing about halfway out is bending in. Oh, I see. Okay. This thing insists on flying right-side up. You know, it's extremely stable. Uh-huh. If you think you're going to crash, you get off the control and it rights itself. Oh. But what kind of power is it? Are you talking about a glider? Yeah. Well, you can power it two ways. There are powered gliders. There are also gliders that were not intended for power. And you can buy a little old 49-inch strap-on mount that rubber bands right on atop the wing. Rubber bands? Yeah, rubber bands. Well, that's how the wings attach. That's in case of a crash, by the way, so the wing breaks away. That reminds me of Bob Swan when we were young. We used to call him Bondo Bob. Oh, no, but the rubber bands would hold the wing on all these planes. Well, that's how his Chevy was put together. That's why we called it. Well, you have to because we've got an area around here where they fly a lot of these planes and I can only get into the two-channel equipment because I just didn't have the money for anything better. I mean... Uh-huh. Well, the only reason we're looking at six channels is because if we get good with this and we decide to use it for other things, for like carrying a small television camera to do things like that, it could be very useful, believe me. And I've learned in the past that if you start off buying a lot of stuff that won't meet your needs later, you end up spending three or four times the money that you would have spent if you just bought what you might need later in the beginning and start off with, like, cheap planes. And... You're going to have to learn to fly it. Yeah, that's true. You want to get comfortable and confident with it. Yes. That counts for everything. I mean, it's nice to have something you can hand launch and just play around with it and fly it and then go for more and more power because I've seen these planes power dive into the ground. It is a pathetic sight. You see kindling wood. It disintegrates. Yeah, I've seen that too. In fact, I've done it several times. Well, I've seen guys with expensive planes. I mean, you can have ducted fan jets that go upward to $1,500. Oh, no, we're not... These characters will spend that. We're not even interested in even approaching anything that costs that much. Well, you know, the ultimate would be if you could... I don't know what Ramsey has, but if you want to make one that you want, you want to do telemetry, you want to have radio signals going to it and coming back, the ultimate, of course, would be something that you would sit at a control with a flight yoke for your computer and control this airplane and actually watch on your monitor screen what's going on. That would be the ultimate. That's what they use in the military. Yeah, that's exactly what we wanted to do. That would be the ultimate because then, you know, because when you're flying, you have to remember you're left and you're right. You have to, you know, if your plane flies out of sight, you better have somebody follow it with some powerful vehiculars or a telescope because you could be flying away from you and think you're coming back towards you and then you really lose it. But if you've got one of these, you know, if you're getting telemetry that's showing you in real time what's happening inside the plane, what attitude it's in, you correct it immediately. Well, where we're at, it would be impossible to fly a model airplane out of sight. Yeah. Absolutely impossible. We're on the top of a little mountain here. Right. And we can see like 40 miles in every direction. Oh, well, if you're looking to extend your eyes, one of the things I'm into now is kites. Uh-huh. It's possible to put a rig on kites and send that up. Yeah. I mean, that's very old, by the way. Well, that sounds interesting because we do have some kites and we fly them quite often, as a matter of fact. Oh, I'm into kites. How does she put in planes, even though my first love is planes, of course, and copters. Oh, we all love kites and that's something that even little Allison can get into. She can do that very well. Jay Conine of Chicago was taking architectural aerial photographs in the late 1800s, early 1900s. With kites. With kites. Wow. That's great. And his equipment used to weigh over 800 pounds, so we used to use a string of conine kites. Uh-huh. If you're familiar with all the types. No, I'm not familiar with all the types, but I am familiar with kites and how they work. I mean, some of the big ones, like the strato scoops, have awesome lifting power. They can take payloads up at, uh... You know a lot about this stuff, don't you? Of course. Of course. The resourcefulness of the citizens. Wow. That better be. We may have to get your phone number and use you as a permanent advisor. We may have to get your phone number. Well, that's another way to do it, and another way would be with a helium balloon. It would be radio controlled, like a blister. Yeah, I've thought of that, too. And, uh, that, you know, they're making... I'm just absolutely amazed at what they're making today. When I was a boy, we were all into this kind of stuff. And I look around and I see these boys running around getting in trouble when they could really be doing stuff that's a lot of fun and very interesting. Well, they're taught not to be creative. They're taught not to think independently or creatively. Well, that's true. A wall is what's creative to them. If I had had, as a boy, what these children have available to them today, I would have literally been in heaven. You couldn't have made me happier no matter what you did. They have little... Well, there is a price factor, too. They have little tiny electric motors and battery packs that can fly model airplanes for like 30 minutes up in the air. Well, some of the motors now they've got, it's just mind-boggling to think you can get that kind of performance out of an electric motor. Well, it's mind-boggling to me to think that you could have an airplane with a 73-inch wingspan that you could put an electric motor on and it's absolutely silent and put enough batteries in that this thing could actually take off and fly for 30 minutes. Mm-hmm. And of course, when you've got someone with a 73-inch wingspan, you can follow thermals with that. You get it up to altitude and if, you know, you expect the power supply to quit, then you've got yourself a very nice flying glider and you can keep it in there for a long time. Well, that's what this Tolemaster has is a 73-inch wingspan. Well, if you want something bigger that will get you up in the air, I've seen them actually towed by... Well, listen to this. Here's one. It's the Senior Tolemaster has a 95-inch wingspan. Oh, those are nice. And it says it's really, really light. Now, that's an 8-foot wingspan and that's incredible. It says nothing, nothing, nothing flies like the Senior Tolemaster. Well, it's a 12-foot wingspan glider called a Pegasus. Uh-huh. And that thing, you can just keep it up all afternoon. You can lay on your back flying this thing overhead. It just won't come down. Wow. Where would you put it, though? We're already wondering that if we... They're getting it into the air. They actually tore it up with another plane. Wow. I mean, some of these characters go all out. I'm thinking if anybody's going to go out that much... See, the most I've had as far as ever encountering anybody who's using anything that represents surveillance or any use like that of a plane was something like a... One of the... I'm a Cap 41 or whatever. One of the aerobatic type planes. This thing was large and had a wingspan of about 8 feet. And the guy had mounted a camera in it. A 35-millimeter camera. Uh-huh. This huge bubble canopy. And so he would snap pictures at altitude. Well, you know, that's easy to do with these planes. They're so big and there's such light construction and they have such a wide range of engines that you could put anything you wanted into them if you had the power. to propel it fast enough to get enough lift to take it off. Uh-huh. And that's, you know, that doesn't seem to be a problem to me. I used to get my planes from a place called Hobby Shack in California. That sounds familiar. I think there might be... Hobby Lobby and... Yeah, there's Hobby Lobby here. Uh-huh. That's our hobbies. But the Hobby Shack had a good catalog. Do you know that they have nine cylinder model airplane engines? Oh, they're gorgeous, aren't they? And they're radial. They have three cylinder, five cylinder, seven and nine cylinder radios. I'm looking at a nine cylinder right now that just makes me drool. And they're four stroke. Yeah, they're four stroke. One guy had a Piper, about an eight foot wingspan, Piper Cub J5. And he had a four cycle engine on this thing. And one of the channels he used on his radio was to run the starter. This thing had a starter on him. He would bring that over the field and kill the engine and then start it back up and go around. So you can knock yourself out with this stuff. You see all these boys with their expensive toys. And it's like, well, I love to fly. I love anything that flies. And I was like, all I can do is watch because I don't have that kind of money. They buy vans so they can put their huge model planes in them. They buy vans so you can put a model airplane in them. Well, it would depend upon what you'd be using it for. I wouldn't do that, no. Well, they do because you couldn't transport these in a car. You've got a glider and a 12-foot wing stand. There's no place you can put those wings. Well, out here we have pickup trucks. Oh, that'll work. And lots of them, as a matter of fact. You know, I see a lot of uses for these things other than just playing with, although we will use it for recreation and playing. We also plan, if we can get good enough, to use them for other things, not as the previous caller insinuated for dropping bombs or anything like that. No, no. The bathtub is done for shows. The bombs are like plastic. They're filled with flour. Uh-huh. And they're done for model airplane air shows. I think the only bomb that we would ever think of dropping might be a water bomb. They use flour. They use stuff, you know, because it looks like smoke and everything. And they use stuff that I saw beautiful air for a Corsair that was set up like that and was doing that. But, no, that's not it at all. Yeah. But if, do you by any chance have a Microsoft flight simulator? We do somewhere. Okay. But it's an old version that ran with Windows 3.0, I think. Okay. Well, if it's 5.0, because that's what I do, when I get a feeling that I want to play with radio control, do the, you can have a view, like, from the ground. And the thing it'll get you used to is your right and left coordination. You know, Pooh used to operate that, and she was really good with the Learjet. Oh, and the Learjet is tricky. Well, she was really good with it. She could fly it and take it off and all that kind of stuff. The only thing that she never learned to do was land it. And, you know, I didn't either. Well, I downloaded some stuff. I got a DC-9, but I had a lot of fun with using the Learjet. Wow. I'd rather a real thing, but, you know, that takes money once again. I'd be happy to get myself a strap-on power pack and a paraglider and have a powered parachute. Those are so cool. Yeah. That's where you go up, you know. If you want to check out possibly hostile territory, it's nice to have a drone. Well, we want to do it without risking anybody. And that's why we thought that these model airplanes would be good for that. You know, we're not into getting anybody hurt unless we absolutely have to defend ourselves. And then we're perfectly willing to get hurt and hurt anybody who wants to try to attack us. Oh, sure. And having some kind of air defense or something that you can use from the air is fantastic. Yeah. I think it would be a wonderful second, third, or fourth set of eyes. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. And if you want to protect a landing zone or rather set up a landing zone track, you can have things like barrage kites. You know, when I was a boy, I graduated from high school in Japan, and the Japanese are the most amazing people with kites that you would ever dream of seeing. In fact, they do. I'd say that that's true over a long period of time, but the exotic materials, the strong space-age materials, I think Britain and the United States kind of lead the league there. If you look at some of the custom stuff out of England and the stuff that's over here, like the Is It a Wind catalog? Oh, well, you might be right, but in Japan, they have these teams and they build these huge, giant kites, and they are so big that it, like, takes 15 men to control it. Oh, yeah. And they have battles in the air with these kites, and it's the most incredible thing you ever saw watching you. Oh, okay, the Kulas and the Paktaus. Right, they have that's the death of the death of the ceremonial kite fight, and then there's Rakaku fights in Japan, the big six-sided ones, and they're incredible, and there's a little one in India, the little fighter kites. You're scary, you know that? You know so much about all of these stuff. I'm into it. You certainly are. I think it's wonderful. Oh, I do, too. I think it's wonderful. I think freedom, that's my idea. Freedom is right. Well, I'm hoping that Pooh will get really interested, and if she is already, she can't wait to get a plane and start building it. I know. I remember when I was doing that at that age, and then when I turned 11, I got to fly a real plane for the first time, and I was permanently hooked. Well, flying a real plane is not hard. It's taking off and landing. Oh, I love all parts of it. I never, you know. Taking off is the easiest of the two. Which one? Taking off is easier than landing. Actually, taking off is the most dangerous. You're climbing out at a dangerous attitude, and you're depending on your engine. See, when you're landing, you're set up for an approach. If your engine fails, there's a good chance you're going to get down in one piece. If your power fails, you want to take off. Even if you avoid a stall, you don't have enough altitude where you're going to come down. But you're talking about a plane that you've got to climb up for some reason. Why can't you just take off and go up slowly? Well, you can do that, too. But, I mean, usually when you're trying to avoid man-made structures, power lines, things like that, those are all factors. And also, by the way, pilots have the hardest time flying radio control. Really? You can fly real planes. Really? Uh-huh. Now, that's interesting. Why is that? Well, because it's hard to be part of the plane. See, that's the one thing when you've got to kite, you're attached to it. Uh-huh. There's a certain feeling for it. When you're flying a real plane, you're attached to that, too. Yeah. Through all the control surfaces. But when you've got this little two gimbal joystick in your hand, and a box, and you've got this little dot that's out, humming around somewhere, and you want to make it do what you want, it almost hit a mind of its own. And that's where it gets really tricky. Wow. As far as a chopper, as far as getting a radio control chopper to fly it out, I understand they have a device that you crank this thing into, and what it is is a limiting device. It will not allow you to crash it. It feathers it. Until you learn how to fly it. And when you get good at it, supposedly you can take it off this device and fly it without the attachment and you won't crash it. Wow, that's interesting. There's all kinds of gadgets out there. I've been waiting for it for a while. I've been waiting for everything for a while between jobs and everything. Well, I was extremely interested when I opened up this model airplane news magazine and saw an electric helicopter. Can you imagine a helicopter that makes absolutely no noise, just flying up right behind two people that are talking and listening to their whole conversation and they don't even know it's there? You'll hear something. You'll hear something because in the way of kites, you can have a gyro kite too. I have one of those. And you spin up the blades and oh, you hear the blades. They do make sounds. There's no sound for the engine, but you hear the of the air rushing past the blades. Well, you know, I'm learning, so you're teaching me. But I'm sure it would have a usefulness to where it could get in situations and close to things and people to look or hear things that would be useful. And I don't know how far away you could hear those blades without an engine, but I know these model airplane engines are loud. Well, some of them are unbelievably quiet. I've heard stuff that's muffled down that the first thing I wondered was, is that an electric motor? And here the thing is a gas engine. Some of them will break your eardrums and other ones are so quiet that the sound of the air rushing past the prop blades actually competes with the sound of the engine. You've got to be kidding. How can you have a combustion engine? The right muffling system on there, they are so awesomely, unbelievably quiet. Well, that's amazing. You wouldn't believe it. No, I'm finding it hard to believe what you're telling me right now, but I'm sure you're telling me the truth. I mean, you've got a plane like a contender that's all thrust. You can stand it on its tail, and just like one of the bigger jets, you can hit the throttle and this thing will climb out of sight straight up. Wow. And very quietly, well, you know, I can look like a big motorcycle. They should be seen and not heard. Wow, that's incredible. But then there's the money factor and there's getting comfortable with it and not crashing it. Almost everybody crashes them every now and then. Well, that is inevitable. Not only that, just as the voice of whatever the voice of is a jam in your broadcast, it's either that or Castro's bubble machine. it's terrible to see somebody's plane get jammed because, you know, it just spirals right in. Well, and that's something to watch for too. Yeah, I remember when I was a boy, the first time I crashed a plane that I had put, gosh, I must have put 40 or 50 hours into building it, went out and flew it around a circle a couple of times and landed it and then flew it around again and crashed it. And it was just a million pieces and I was hurt. I saw a real big boy with a redundant radio system. He had two radio systems to control this thing that looked like a piper pacer. And this thing looked so big, he put a five-year-old kid in it and fly away. He crashed that thing and that didn't look too pretty. I mean, the body just went smushed. The wings were just kindling. And about five months later, he was back with it and rebuilt. But all that time it was in pieces. Gee. I mean, like what is it, the Byron kits? These characters have gone so far, they have a 400 pound, four-engine radio-controlled B-29. You know, I saw a photograph of a B-29 model airplane that is so big that it... That's probably the one. This thing weighs 400 pounds. Wow. It's a monster. Yeah. I also saw something else that I thought was incredible. It's about a 1920-something Dornier, a huge airplane that's got 12 electric engines on it. That's one I've never seen. It's in... Engines. You can see it in... Let me see. What month is this? It's December 1998 model airplane news. Hmm. Incredible. You know, you look at those magazines, you start drooling too much. I want this, I want that, and it does it every time. That's why I kind of stay away from it. You've got this beautiful stuff in there, don't you? Well, I love to look at that stuff, but I wouldn't want that plane. I mean, I can imagine how many years it took to build it and then get everything balanced so it would fly and then get the right power to power 12 engines and 12 propellers and then learn how to fly it and all that kind of stuff. No, we want something like the telemaster that I told you about. You know what a paraplane is? It's like a larger paraglider. Instead of strapping it on, it attaches to a chassis and you can steer it along the ground. Oh, yeah, I've seen those. They've got a radio-controlled version of those too. Huh. And they're a slow, easy flyer. Yeah. And you put like a 20-size engine on them. A 20-size engine? Oh, yeah. How big is that? That sounds... What do you mean by 20-size? The size of the engine. 20, what is it? 20, you're not talking about 20 horsepower, are you? No, no, no. The size of the engine, like 20s and 40s, those are decimal again on the size, yeah. Yeah, those are point 20s and point 40s. The what? Those are point 20 and point 20s. Okay, point 20s. Oh, okay, okay. Now I know what you're saying. Point 20s. Yeah, that's a small engine, yeah. Uh-huh. Okay. Now, I wasn't sure whether you were talking about the small engine or huge engine. No, no, no. If it's 20-horse, you can probably fly it yourself. Yeah, probably could. Okay. Well, absolutely. Every militia should have their air units. Well, absolutely. Of course. The Army does have an Air Force. Uh-huh. Absolutely. But we don't have an Air Force here. So we want to create our own little Air Force that can do some things that might come in handy. Uh-huh. And that definitely would. Yeah. And, you know, we learn from what happened to other peoples. We may not be able to communicate. And if we had something like this, we could communicate. We could send out messages and videotapes and anything else we wanted to send out. So... That's where a plane that drops something is ideal. I guess you can drop messages, too. Sure. Yeah. We were looking into homing pigeons until we found out how much they cost. Homing pigeons... Homing pigeons... Are more... You're worried of yourself. They're more expensive than radio-controlled airplanes, believe you. I know. You get a radio-controlled pterodactyl or pteranodon. I've seen those. They look real when they fly. Boy, that might be interesting. I mean, it looks like a real prehistoric bird. This thing is radio-controlled. You control it with a transmitter. That would be really interesting. And it's got a system that slowly moves the wings, so the thing has to glide. I mean, it's got a lot of power. Yeah. Wow. That could have psychological potential. It sure could. Yeah. You know what? I was... I got an email from a friend today on the computer, and I need to share it with the audience. And what he said was, just before John Glenn lands, everybody put on monkey suits. I love it. I love it. I think it's great. He's not going to bring back any marching rocks? Oh, that's right. He said he didn't encounter any Klingons up there. That's what they're saying on The Tonight Show and everything. Oh, well... Yeah, he must have found the Klingons. Junior Addenberry's still floating up there, too, I'm sure. Well, I hope he didn't get in the path of this thing that Hoagland and Bell are saying. You know, the aliens are coming. Hold on just a second. You're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA. Okay. Got that out of the way. Well, let's, uh, let's, uh, call this a good call and, uh, see if there's anybody else out there that wants to, uh, get in here and chat about this. Okay. Let me let you go, then. Okay. Okay, you got much to fill. Thanks a lot for all your help. You really have been helpful. Thank you very much. Bye-bye. And, uh, gosh, I'm amazed at how much she knew. Just incredible. Um, incredible amount of information. That's just great. I mean, she's really into that stuff. Kites and gliders and radio-controlled airplanes and, and, uh, parasails and everything. Good evening. You're on the air. Hi, Bill. How are you? Good. Well, um, I'm a real pilot and I've, I've flown, um, radio-controlled airplanes since I was a little boy. I need you to talk a lot louder if you can. Okay. My name's Jeff and, and, um, I'm from Michigan. Hi, Jeff. How are you tonight? Good. And I flew, actually flew in the radio-controlled jet circuit all around the country. I'm one of those guys, the lady, uh, before there talked about where I had a, uh, 14-foot trailer I pulled behind my pickup truck with, uh, seven or eight jets, uh, that I had in there. Wow. And, Now, when you're talking about jets, what are you really talking about? Are you talking about a plane with a, with a fan in it or, or what? Yeah, well, they started out, um, with deducted fan jets where it had an OS, by the way, the best engines are for those, are the, and the ducted fan jet engines are the OS Max 91. Wow. And, um, they started out that way with the ducted fans and a tuned pipe. And now they've actually got small turbines that run on pterosine, uh, or protanes. Hold on just a second. Hold on Jim and hold on hold on Jim and hold him in. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.