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In the coming months and years, people who are self-sufficient, off the system, off the power grid, will be the ones who will survive. Our special guest tonight is Mr. Dave Duffy. He's the editor and publisher of Backwoods Home Magazine. Now, folks, this is not, I repeat, not an advertisement. This is a regular show, the hour of the time. You knew that I do not take advertisers on this program. I, myself, have subscribed to Backwoods Home for a long time. In fact, since it first came out. It's not under my name. But nevertheless, the subscription still comes directly to my home. It is my subscription and I paid for it. Backwoods Home Magazine is one of the best magazines that I have seen anywhere. For anyone who wants to become self-sufficient, get out of the system, get off the power grid, learn to live on their own efforts, this is the magazine of choice. This is the magazine that I recommend. Understand that I'm not getting any money for this whatsoever. Mr. Dave Duffy is a man who long ago realized that it was important to get out of major population centers. He wanted to live in the country, wanted to build his own home. But it was at a time in the recent history of the United States when real estate values soared so high and interest rates were so out of sight that it appeared to Mr. Duffy that his dream was not going to come true. He purchased a small tract of land and began building his own home. And because he was so successful and because the cost of his land and his home stayed within the limits that are affordable by almost anyone in this country, he decided to publish a magazine on how to build your own home. And that magazine evolved into Backwoods Home, which is not only how to build your own home, but how to build your own power system, hot water systems, heating systems, grow your own food, make your own medicine from available plants and herbs, and many, many, many other subjects. How to become a blacksmith. You would be amazed at the articles that are in this magazine, Backwoods Home, and I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised and a little amazed at Mr. Dave Duffy. So, without further ado, let's get into the meat of this program, The Hour of the Time. Dave, welcome to The Hour of the Time. Thank you very much, Bill. Can we start off by getting some of your background? What have you been up to all your life? Well, I spent 48 years old. I spent the 10 years prior to launching Backwoods Home Magazine, which is now just entering its fourth year. As a computer analyst and defense department, technical writer and editor. And prior to that, I spent 10 years as a newspaper reporter for such dailies as The Las Vegas Sun, a couple of small newspapers, The Stockley Press in Ventura, California, and The Lowell Sun. That was Jack Kerouac's old paper in Lowell, Massachusetts. Well, that's it. That's really interesting. Did you know Jack Kerouac personally? No, I didn't. He was older than I was. He had left the paper years before I joined the staff. I got out of the Army and my last commander, Colonel DeSmet, got me my first newspaper job at The Lowell Sun. That's when I learned that that was Kerouac's paper and he was revered there. He was revered in a lot of places. Dave, what did you do in the Army? I was a military journalist. I joined during the Vietnam era in 1966. I joined rather than be drafted and have to serve as a grunt and maybe get shot. I figured if I could join and get an education, and then if I got shot, at least I'd get something out of it. So they sent me to their whiz-bang 10-week journalism course in Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana, which they are about to close down. That's one of those military bases getting the act. And from that, I launched my journalism career. I never took a journalism course in my life, formerly other than that. And when they say the Army is a good place to start, I'm not a big fan of the military per se, but it was a great place to start for me. I was 22 in 10 weeks. They gave me the beginnings of being a journalist, and I spent three years as a photojournalist in the Army, mainly in Europe, in Germany, in the United States. And I come out, I knew myself. Well, that's great. So you didn't just retire and decide to start this magazine. You'd had quite a few years of journalism behind you. Yes, yeah. I have a very strong writing background. Most magazines are started, from what I can figure out, by businessmen, in particular, advertising people. I have a limited business experience, except for working for the Defense Department in a technical editing capacity. I come from a pretty strong writing background, the credentials that are not supposed to make a magazine work. But I think it has benefited me because I could pay attention to the writer and not the advertisers. I think a lot of the stake deal with advertisers. But I have a good loyalty among my writers. I used to be a freelance writer on the side most of my life, ever since I left the Army when I was 25, so 35, 45, 23 years ago. And I can remember getting checks for my freelance work by secretaries who didn't know my name. I'd never meet the publisher. I'd never meet the editor. Or if I did, I'd meet a low-ranking editor. I treat the writers, and there's a little over 100, might be 125 by now, who work part-time, you know, on a freelance basis for the magazine. With a lot of courtesy. When they get their check, they get a personal note from me, often a telephone call, and a thank you for doing the research, because I'm fairly demanding as an editor also. I just don't want an article. I want an article from somebody who's knowledgeable in the area, and if it doesn't cover the points, I think it has to be covered. It goes back. And I think that coming from the writer's perspective has stood me well because nothing leads into advertising for me. Everything is from my writer's eye saying it has to answer the questions. If I'm the reader, it must answer. It's what, when, why, where, how. It can't lead into just another book that you're going to, the article's going to ask you to send off and get in for more information. Sure. A lot of writers surprisingly want to write an article, but they don't want to go complete. Now, they may be writers of books or good pamphlets, and I say, I want that entire pamphlet, or I want that entire book in there, the gist of it, so whoever's reading the article can do what you say they can do. They don't have to write to you for more. He says, you'll get your credit at the end, parenthetically. Very often with the writer, especially if they have a book, I'll give you a name, address, and telephone number. But he says, so, you know, they'll contact you. We'll order the read as well. But I want a complete article so people can do what you were talking about from your article. Well, as a reader and a subscriber, I can certainly say that all the articles fit the bill. All things that we have read, like do-it-yourself articles, that we have done, we didn't get hung up on anything, and everything that we needed was listed there, and all of the steps, and there was no problem. And that's difficult. I mean, even if you buy a product that you have to assemble yourself, often you get a set of instructions that will drive you mad trying to figure out. You buy a computer program, and the book that comes with it drives you nuts. Absolutely. And it takes somebody coming out of your garage who becomes an expert in that to write another book for the whatever product, the IBM product or the Macintosh product. Dave, you're in Ashland, Oregon. Is that your home? Yes, the magazine actually started off in Ventura, California, about 700 miles south of here. And he moved up here a little less than a year ago. I've been building a house in the mountains above Ashland for seven years, and it's been always my goal to get up here. As a matter of fact, building that house is what has actually prompted me to start the magazine. Well, that's good. So you had lived in the big city or near big cities, and you'd always wanted to get out into the country. I grew up in Boston, Massachusetts, which is sort of a medium-sized city. A couple million people live by now, I guess, and I moved to California 20 years ago. I was living in Ventura, which is about 60 miles north of L.A. So now we're experiencing a lot of increased growth, increased smart, and everything that goes with the increase in population. You know, more crime, more burglaries, more government calls, if you want to do anything. Just the week before I left, they told my trailer that was parked in front of my house, you know, a 26-foot-long compact because it's been parked in more than 10 days. You always get more of that when these rural areas, or semi-rural areas, become very city-fast. 20 years ago, when I moved to Ventura from Boston, it was quite nice. As a matter of fact, I went in there, and he said, I didn't actually move to Boston. I went from Boston to Las Vegas to Ventura, and he said, what kind of a hit town is this? Turned out to turn into a big city after a while. Yeah, I was going to ask you, Dave, what prompted you to choose this type of magazine over any other type? And I guess you've answered it. You said building your home. Well, you know, let me elaborate on that just a bit, Bill. About, I guess it's about nine years ago now, I got divorced while living in Ventura. And I had owned a beach house, well, 11 houses back in the beach, but most of the time, I was living in California, which is, you know, at that time now, it would have been about 11 years. And through the divorce, I lost the house. We just had to sell it. Neither could afford to buy each other out. And we split up the money. We ended up with about $28,000 each. I sat on that money for about a year trying to figure out what to do. I wanted another house. That was at a time when housing prices in California and then all over the country were going through the roof. Absolutely. I took $17,000, and bought two and a half acres right on the edge of, oh, I call it a BLM wilderness, most of the land. It's 31 miles above the island is owned by either BLM, warehouse or timber, or one large ranch. And I invested the $17,000 in that land. And the reason why that was expensive because we had at the time it was going for a couple thousand acres. It had a nice big creek going through it. And with the remainder $11,000, I built myself a house. So I was back on the housing market with about $28,000 when houses were going for $250,000 in Southern California. And I said, wow. And the reason I located up there, by the way, I used to vacation up here all the time. I was coming up, but this is off of I-5 going up through Ashland, Oregon and up towards Canada. I used to vacation. I said, well, I like the Ashland area. I like the country around here. And I would love to relocate here someday. And that was part of what the divorce was. But divorce, I was stuck with, I'm out of the house. What am I going to do? And so I built my own house. And the house, right now, I have more than $11,000. That's what I probably have close to $20,000, maybe $22,000. It's nice and comfortable, very remote. And I'm a homeowner again without a mortgage. Well, if you're listening to this, folks, how would you like to have a home for $22,000 on two acres of land in a beautiful country setting with lots of trees and a nice climate? And Oregon fits all of those bills. I'm looking at the magazine right now, Dave, and it says, the sensible way to store and use food, blacksmithing, heating and window systems, water wheels, home canning, herbal first aid. I have back issues that have subjects like solar power, solar, hot water, all of these kinds of things. And many more. I mean, that's not even a drop in the bucket, bucket, bucket, bucket. But you have articles on guns, hand-loading your ammo, social conditioning, women in self-defense. You have a lot of articles in your magazine for women, I noticed. Farm and garden articles, rabbit diseases, how to cope with them, how to raise rabbits, how to grow a garden. This is just more than owning a house. I mean, you're telling people here how to really get out of the system and survive on their own, aren't you? Yes. What happened was, even though the magazine started by building my own house, excuse me, I decided that that was so easy to do compared to how hard I thought it would be to get back into a house that I'm going to write a book about how to build a house but at the time it was about $10,000. But to test market that book, because I had written a book long ago, the publisher made a lot of money and I made only a little bit, I decided to launch a magazine called Backwards Home about building your own house. And then I said, well, if it's Backwards Home, we have to cover a few other themes. So I did a lot of research and contacted some other writers I had known and we come up with some articles on gardening and some articles on self-sufficiency, some articles on alternative energy because I had intended to put a solar electric system in my house. So we launched a, I guess we were first issued with 40 pages and it was such a big response to that that the magazine was launched. I never really intended to launch the magazine per se. This was going to be, see how many, oh, it's interest for my books though, my book, How to Build a Hunters, I never wrote that book. Now we're just going to press with the 19th issue of the magazine. Once you're out in the country, you'll learn what the needs of country people are. And they very often turn to, of course, self-sufficiency and preparedness. They often turn to jobs, a lot of people move to the country and they have to run back to the city with a tail between their legs because they can't find the living. We devote, keep coming to this year, I think we have three articles on jobs that are well suited to the country. We do a lot of research on them. We do about 10% of each issue on alternative energy. We're in the midst of a three-part series on hydro polym, do a lot on photovoltaic, photo meaning white, voltaic volts, so it's solar electricity turning the sun directly into electricity. It's a technology that is here today. We touch a lot on generator power because that's a traditional method of power. One of my readers live beyond the power lens. And if you're going to bring the conveniences of modern life into your home, you need electricity, which stresses a good point. A lot of people compare us to the old days of Mother Earth News. And by the way, John Shuttleworth, who founded Mother Earth News back in 70s and sold it in 80s to some advertising people out of New York, is a very big booster of ours. We've used three letters to the editor praising us from him, which I think in part, because he sort of started the whole country theme. Sure, but you're not really the same as the Mother Earth News. The point I want to make is Mother Earth News, wrote more for a hippie-type audience when they tackled technology. And John, forgive me for saying it, they were right half the time when they were wrong half the time. Well, they also had a philosophy that they were going to go completely back to the land. I mean, just absolutely give up. Almost all. It's not our philosophy at all. Our philosophy is move to the country because it's better for raising your kid. It's better for your mental well-being. You're getting out of the rat race which is going to kill you ten years before your time. But bring the modern conveniences of society with you. Bring your microwave. You can do that because you can create your own electricity no matter where you live through a variety of alternative energy, especially portable things. You can bring the... You really don't have to give up anything. And you can become totally self-sufficient off the power grid, not relying upon government or city or anything else in order to survive and have a good life and not have to give up the modern conveniences. That's right. And the advent of the personal computer has helped things even more because you can create a business on that personal computer. My whole magazine is created on one 486 computer. The first issue was created on a compact desk pro which is the clone of the IBM PC, that first little computer that was out. They all, you know, real slow computers. It's fine. It took a little bit longer and now I have a faster machine. But the entire thing is done on that with the exception of the art. Good art, like the quality, you know, the artist lines we have on that cover are done by my artist, Don Childers. And you just, any art, you have any photos, the computer creates the page that you paste your photos down in the form of a half tone. It's just an $8 process per picture that goes through an art studio. But you can create so many jobs, a lot of mail, a lot of businesses for yourself on the computer. And, you know, part of the theme of the magazine too is all these people go to the country, try to live their own life. It goes for the country. 75% of the jobs, new jobs in this country are created by small businesses. They're not created by government, not created by the big IBMs of the world or any place like that. They're created by small businesses. These people who choose to leave the rat race, get away from the job they hate, and that they're probably living up to half their productivity from, they get into the country, they have to make a living, they work their butt off. A lot of them, a lot of these small business entrepreneurs living in the backwoods, they're working 12, 13, 14 hours a day. They're good for the country. They create one or two jobs for people to help them with their business. And they're not only good for the country, it's, boy, it's great for themselves, I tell you. Certainly. Sure. Well, that's what I do. I live out in the country, I'm not anywhere near a city, and we're self-supporting and self-sufficient, and we make, you know, we don't look around for someone to give us anything or for someone to give us a job or we have to go to somebody else to earn our way. I've always been a great believer that all of us have been given something that is just incredible. It's called a brain, and if we just use it, we don't need anybody else. And it's so, so wonderful to be able to be not under somebody else's thumb, to make your own decisions, to decide what you're going to do today and how much you're going to do and what your income is going to be and do something that you really like to do. Well, folks, it's time to take a little break. You're listening to the Hour of the Time. 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Well, it's time to get back to our interview with Mr. Dave Duffy, editor and publisher of Backwoods Home Magazine. Hi, Dad. All of my listeners out there are wondering, what in the world this is really all about. Well, folks, you're hearing what it's really all about. I'm not, this is not an advertisement. I really am a person who, I don't plug anything and I don't put anything out on my show and you know that I don't, I don't sell advertising. I invited Dave Duffy on this show because I think Backwoods Home Magazine is probably one of the best magazines that anyone in this world could ever subscribe to. And we're going to get into some other things too. We were just talking about what's good for the country and one of the things that I really like about Dave Duffy and Backwoods Home Magazine are his editorials and his articles are not always about how to build a home or how to become self-sufficient or how to can food. In this last issue, there's an interview with Andre Moreau who's the libertarian candidate for president in this coming election. And Dave Duffy has written an awful lot of editorials on the Constitution and what's happening to this country and he's a great supporter of the second article in the amendment of the Constitution and you all know that I am also. In fact, we've done several whole shows just on that subject here. Dave, if people want to subscribe to your magazine, how do they do it? Well, it's $17.95 a year. We're published every other month so it's six issues a year. They can just send a check or money or a cash. We're not fucking. To 1257 Siskiu Boulevard. That's S like in sand I-S K-I-Y-O-U Box 213 Ashland, Oregon. That's A-S-H-L-A-N-D and the zip is 97520. Okay, you heard that, folks. If they want to call it in, they can too. It's area 503-488-2053. We don't take MasterCard or Visa but we're just going to see you into the database and send you a bill. That's great. Yearly subscription six issues $17.95 and you send that to Backwoods Home Magazine 1257 Siskiu Boulevard S-I-S-K-I-Y-O-U Boulevard number 213 Ashland, Oregon 97520 and if you don't want to do that you can just call them and they'll put you into the computer and send you a bill. The number is 503-488-2053. Now if you're running around looking for a pencil and paper you know that you're always supposed to have one by your side when you listen to this show. So if they put on their order that they heard about the magazine through the Bill Cooper show we'll get them $2 off. Well that's fantastic. Thank you Dave. Another good benefit for my listeners $2 off. If you send a check or money order and say that you heard about this magazine on this show the hour of the time you'll get it for $15.95 instead of $17.95 and that's pretty good. By the way just to clarify something for your listeners there is another magazine sometimes we are confused with which is called Back Home that's out of North Carolina which started by editors let go from Mother Earth News when they folded a year ago and mothers have since come back bought by a Briton but sometimes we get confused with Back Home which is former Mother Earth editors so that's not us. We're totally different. We're a year older than them. Okay. Just remember folks this is Backwoods Home Magazine and it's out of Ashland, Oregon. Dave tell me a little bit about you know it's very unusual for somebody who writes magazines who publishes magazines like you're publishing to have the political viewpoint that you do. Can you tell me a little bit about your political viewpoint some of the editorials that you've written and why you do this? I know you come under a little flack from some of your readers because I see the letters such you. You've got to start from the point that of all the country magazines out there I would guess 9 out of 10 maybe a higher percentage maybe 99% are written by people who are very quote environmentally aware their political philosophy tends to lean quite far to the left I won't name any magazines so that probably wouldn't be fair to them. No. We don't want to badmouth anybody unless they can be here. My political philosophy started out like all young men as a liberal from Boston and as I learned how the world really operated I became much more conservative and probably I'm even more libertarian now. But basically I believe in the founding fathers had it right from the beginning that this is a country that had very limited government and very maximum freedom. And we had that country for years and years and years. But over the past 100 years or so it's especially accelerating over the past we'll say since the 30s when we hit the depression we've had a country with fossil freedoms. The federal government has virtually all the power in the country and another 20 years that we keep electing republicrats. I think they'll have all the power. Right now they have to fight the drug war. They can stop you with the airport and their dog snippers smell drug residue on some money you have and almost a pop of money in the country must have drug residue on it. A lot of businesses carry a couple of thousand dollars to buy something. Well don't they use dollar bills to roll up to snort coke? Of course. The government can confiscate that money without due process. It's up to you to get it back. There's so much federal government intrusion and local government intrusion into our private lives. It makes the country totally unlike what the country used to be even 50 years ago. But especially what I found he found is envisioned it. My magazine is political on one page. I have a 100 page magazine. One of my pages is editorial. 799 a how-to. Politics usually doesn't invade it. Does not invade it. But on my one page I'm a very firm constitutionalist. I think federal government should back off. I think taxes should be cut. I think the private enterprise should be given a chance to put the country back on its feet because we know the government has failed horribly. I think people should be allowed to if they want to educate their own children because the public school system has failed horribly. And I just think you should get back to good old American values and you can read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Payne, or a lot of people who are George Washington and the founder of the country. See what they thought? They would be horrified to see a George Bush and a Bill Clinton running for president. I don't see any choice out there. A guy like Andre Maru who represents a libertarian. I'm not trying to give a plug to libertarians. But that just happens to be a party that believes the government should shrink to the point where its sole duty is to protect the citizens from foreign invasion and from them harming each other. It doesn't believe that the federal government, as Republicans and Democrats do, should invade every facet of our lives, tell us how to raise our children, tax the businesses to the point where it's hard for small business to do business because he's paying so much of his revenue to the government. Well, personally, I believe that's intentional to force small business out of business. In California, they had a survey I guess in the L.A. Times a year, a year and a half ago. A survey showed that one-fourth of all businesses in California is making active plans to move out of the state. States like Arizona and Colorado were actively courting them, saying, hey, we have lower taxes here. California's unemployment rate is starting to go through the roof. Five years from now or seven years from now, when the unemployment rate really goes through the roof, the politicians in California will be saying, gee, there's a problem here. What is tax business? Tax the rich. By the rich, they mean anybody who's making over about $40,000 a year, I think. Let's tax all them and get social welfare programs going and let's get more government programs going and let's get the federal government to beef up businesses and subsidize this one and that one. And these states like Arizona, when they're saying, hey, we want to give small businesses a chance, those states are going to thrive. If government would just back on and let people do their own thing, create their own wealth, trade as they wish, make a product and not have to tack on all the government taxes, I think the country would pull out of the recession. Absolutely. Congress has this incredible deficit right now. Guys like you and I aren't even going to get stuff like social security. The people who are getting social security now are getting ten times what they put into it. But by the time, I'm the baby boom, I'm 48, by the time I'm retired, I think it's projected there'll be four workers for every retired person. There's simply not enough money. Just run the actuarial table. There's not enough money unless the government decides to inflate the dollar more than they have. Well, I'm of the opinion that if everybody took what they were paying into social security and put it into the lowest yield interest bearing account of any kind, any kind of investment, even the lowest yield, by the time that they reached retirement age, they would be so well off that they wouldn't even believe it. But if they stay in social security, they're not going to get anything. And it is a voluntary program. You did an article about just what you thought. There is a program out there. We did a two-part series on the national health care system. I forget what issues. There were four or five issues back. There were by a Canadian, Martin Waterman. He does a lot of my book reviews. He's been living with the Canadian health care system. So his first article said it doesn't work. It's on the bridge of bankruptcy. And he says, don't believe what all the politicians are telling you because it's not going to work in the United States either. And the second article he talked about, what's referred to as the Singapore system, I forget the exact name. It's a retirement account system. It allows you to set up your own, it's sort of like an IRA account, your own health care. It gives you tax deductions to set that up. It requires a certain amount of responsibility on people to set it up. And naturally, there are going to be some people who will never set up anything. And so you will have to have some sort of net to keep those who will always fall through the cracks to help them out. It allows the average person to plan for their own health system by setting up an IRA type account with plenty of tax incentives to have you do that. None of the major candidates are talking about anything like that. They're just talking about socializing. I know that you do something in your editorials and you have articles in your magazines on, for instance, here's one, hand-loading your ammo is far cheaper than buying it. You have other articles and other issues on the best kind of weapon for hunting and for self-protection and all kinds of things. But it's refreshingly nice to me to see someone in a magazine who supports the second article in Amendment, which I know is the only reason why we're free today and it's the only reason why we'll be free tomorrow. And I know that the moment that we let the guns out of the hands of the American people, that we won't stay free. And all I have to do to know that is look at history. incidents of modern gun control in our time is at our Hitler, an institute in Germany. That's correct. And he's going to have to do that because eventually people will catch on to what's going on. Every time a communist country used to take over, the first thing they do is institute gun control. Our family fathers knew when they started the country that the worst enemy lurking in the woods would be our own government down the line. Absolutely. They were going to come from a foreign invader. They knew eventually people would get in power and they'd say, well, let's take these rights away from the citizens and let's assume a little bit more power on the state level and let's assume a little bit more power on the federal level. The reason they wrote the second amendment is to the constitution and you can read this from reading the writings of all the early, all the people involved with the Bill of Rights constitution. So people had the means to rebel against their own government. It wasn't just to go hunting. It wasn't just to protect themselves against the burblah. And some people up here, some people, like critics of East pulling their hair out now, they say, well, all they had was muzzleloaders. That was state of the earth. Their idea was the people need to be armed with state of the earth weaponry in order to keep their government alive. That's correct. The truth is, is that no crime has ever been committed with a legally registered machine gun, with a tank that someone has purchased from the military, with any kind of what people would call a super dangerous weaponry. There are many, many, many people in this country who own machine guns, and I mean the real, real machine guns. that you have to register with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in the whole world to get a special permit to have them. No crime has ever been committed with any of those weapons. Nobody who commits crimes goes through the legal process to get their weapons. Right now in England, handguns are banned throughout the entire country of England. Yet last year in London, over 5,000 serious felony crimes were committed with handguns in the city of London. The truth about this whole matter is that somebody who wants a gun to kill somebody with is going to get a gun and they're going to kill that person and there's nothing anybody can do about it. But the day that a despot rises to power in this country and takes our freedoms away, if the people don't have guns, they won't be able to do anything about it. And they are always helpless against the criminals who are able to get guns no matter what the law says. That's why they're called criminals. And we never learned a lesson from prohibition. We never learned that. I'm going to say the same thing. We outlawed alcohol once. And everybody who was such a marginal dip that alcohol consumption went down according to historians. That's a crime in itself. It barely went down. What we did was we created gangs. We helped corrupt judges and police forces and stuff like that. Absolutely. It created organized crime. But the outlaw handguns, what you're doing is taking any kind of guns. You're taking guns away from law abiding citizens. That's correct. The crooks are going to get their guns anyway. That's correct. And I believe that the people who have the biggest vested interest in taking the guns away from the American people are the socialists who would like to see us become a socialist totalitarian state. Khrushchev said it. He said we don't have to invade you. We don't have to bomb you. You will be destroyed from within. It's kind of interesting now that the demise, the so-called demise of the Soviet Union has taken place and they're all running towards democracy. It's like we have just passed and heading in the opposite way. Well, it's strange. That's absolutely true because nobody in this country who is a socialist or a communist has learned that lesson. They're still trying to propel us into socialism when every experiment in socialism and communism has failed. Failed, not only failed, but failed absolutely miserably. It's failed so bad. But they still have that yearning for the utopia on earth where they don't have to be responsible and they don't have to do anything. They'll be taken care of and protected by daddy. They're little children, Dave. I really believe that in my heart that they're children who have gone out, left home, looked at the world and have become so afraid that they have to build a huge, tremendous socialist bureaucracy to protect them from the world. And since they don't believe in God, this is all they have. So they've got to cling to it no matter what. There's nothing else. There's nothing after. You know, unfortunately, my magazine takes a fairly strong stand on the environment that we should take care of it. Even we recognize that a lot of the people who would like to put socialism into every aspect of this country are heavily involved in the environmental movement. A lot of times they use the environmental issues as a means of giving control to the government over things that the government has no business control of. They're ruining the environmental movement and they're going to cause a backlash that's going to hurt the environment worse than ever. They want to set aside large tracts of land so the government can manage management to protect things like the sparted out. If history shows anything, it shows land managed by the government suffers environmentally, land privately owned, even privately owned by logging companies benefit because they have an economic stake in making sure that land isn't screwed up. If people talk about clear cutting, I've got a lot of areas around my area, tree, heavy growth areas around my home up in the mountains up above Ashland, which have been clear cut and replanted and the trees are now standing about 10 to 12 feet tall. They're going to protrude timber later. Anybody with an economic stake that is that has private ownership of land is going to take care of it. The government has no economic stake. He lost tracts of land that a lot of the socialists want them to take over. A good lesson is just yesterday, some ministry and the Russian government produced a report that said Russia is on the verge of a cataclysm environmentally. Yes. The rivers are screwed up. Two out of three, I think it's two out of three or three out of four Russians who live in cities are living in air quality that is 10 times worse than the acceptable limits in this country. This is what socialism has done. The government has run the Soviet Union for 20 years and this is what has resulted. They ran Poland, the Volga River. They tried to dredge about a hundred yard stretch of that about two years ago. It dug up so many many much poisons and sediments that thousands of dead fish washed downstream. If you have the government run anything, no matter how good their intentions, they're going to screw it up. They always have in the past and they always will. If you have private people run it, you're going to have people in there that they don't give a damn and they're going to rake the land and stuff. But mostly you're going to have people who have an interest in their own land and they're going to take care of it. You're listening to the Hour of the Time. My name is William Cooper and my guest is Dave Duffy, the publisher and editor of Backwoods Home Magazine. You can order Backwoods Home Magazine. In fact, if you send a check or money order with $15.95 and mention that you heard about this magazine on this show, you'll get it for $15.95 instead of $17.95. The address to send to is Backwoods Home Magazine, 1257 Siska U Boulevard, S-I-S-K-I-Y-O-U Boulevard, number 213, Ashland, Oregon, 97520. Or you can call and tell Mr. Duffy that you heard this on the air, on the hour of the time, and they'll put you in the computer, get your subscription started, and they'll bill you. The number is 503-488-2053. That's 503-488-2053. What are some of the benefits to living in the country? Well, you're less likely to be mugged when you walk home. Your wife is less likely to be raped. You're probably going to add a few years on your life because you're not subject to the stress of living in the city with all the crimes that it puts on a family, with all the stresses that you're working on a job that you dislike. Usually if you move to the country, you have to find your own way to make a living. 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