The End The End The End Ah, thank you. I've been standing there for centuries. Yes, I suppose it seems... Why, it's raining, but you're not wet. No, I'm not, am I? Uh, where are you coming from? I was watching a wonderfully terrifying devil teacher movie. I was a teenage Frankenstein in Blood of Dracula. Oh? Professor Frankenstein created a teenage monster to bring havoc and terror to all who meet him. But he left a few parts out, particularly in the poor lad's face. May we change the subject? And the lamp iron Blood of Dracula. Quite unfriendly, except when hungry. Then any friend will do for a few guests anymore. Please, I... Oh, here's where I must leave you. But there's nothing here but an old cemetery. Yes, I know. I want to meet some old friends here. After you see I was a teenage Frankenstein in Blood of Dracula, you might drop back here. We'll discuss the pictures of some length. Yes, yes, I'll do that. Some got off the work, and all the ladies. I had to stand in the cemetery game. The sky was dark and the moon was on fire. It was a very, very cold, cold night. I never thought I would see such a sight. A cold cold doing the dead and strong. I never thought I would see such a sight. Oh, that's a fitting opening for the discussion of tonight's subjects and also tonight's guest. But before I introduce our guest, I want to tell you that you won't be able to call in tonight because we only have one call in line, and our guest is on that line. Number two, WWCR called me just before we went on the air and said they have three-phase power going to the transmitter, and they have lost one of the phases to this transmitter, and they are working feverishly trying to get WWCR back up on the air. So don't panic. The electricians are doing their job, and hopefully you'll get to hear at least a portion of this program on shortwave. Those of you who can't hear me telling you this because you do listen to shortwave and it's off the air. Brad Steiger, welcome to the Hour of the Time. Thanks, Bill. Great to be here with you. Well, it's been quite a while since we've had a chance to talk. What are you doing with yourself nowadays? Well, more of the same. I've been doing a lot of lecturing, traveling, working on some books, and just kind of staying in the swing of things here. A lot of exciting things happening, and as you know, it's pretty hard to keep track of all of them, the way things are multiplying here. That's true. I hear you're working on a new book. Yeah, working on one that I know you will be especially interested in. Of course, it quotes you in a number of places, so that ought to be changed. It's called, Bill, Our Captive Planet. Oh, that sounds interesting. And it explores the whole aspect of the UFO from several perspectives. Are we talking about aliens? Are we talking about a secret society? Are we talking about aliens and a secret shadow government? Are we talking about all three? Or maybe more. Exploring and just what is going on in terms of the various theories and so forth that we hear, and how much ones probably have more validity than others, or presenting them so the reader can make up his or her own mind. Well, I'm sure glad that you're doing it in that kind of a format with that approach, because so many people don't look at objectively, especially when they're writing about the UFO phenomenon. Oh, yeah. It's either the benevolent space brothers are here to save us from ourselves, or they're here to eat us, therefore we must all band together in one world government to protect ourselves from them, or some version of those two, and rarely do you find anybody willing to look at the other. Well, as you and I have talked, Bill, there's so many aspects to this phenomenon. There are. And as I've heard you say, you'll make a very strong statement in your lectures, and then you'll say, of course, if you can prove me wrong, do it. Or, I may be wrong. So, again, to me, that's always been the approach of the journalist. This is what makes sense to me, but it might not make complete sense to you. And we can still be friends if it doesn't, but, you know, let's at least think, let's at least explore and see what's going on, because something is certainly going on. That's right. And we can't afford to ignore it, because it could be one of the greatest manipulations of all time. And, of course, if extraterrestrials are real and they're visiting this earth, it certainly would turn out to be the most significant event in the history of the human race. Now, you've investigated, as I said right before the music there, you've investigated just about everything there is to do with the paranormal. Well, I think so. I'm intrigued by all of it. And, of course, it's very interesting to me. You know, some people think of me strictly as a ufologist. Some people think of me as working strictly with Native American shamans. Other people think of me as working with astral projection or with past lives. And, in truth, I've been intrigued by all aspects of the paranormal. And, again, trying to take the journalist now. Again, I can't say at this point, you know, I'm totally unbiased, because I think an unbiased book gets kind of lumpy in the Nella pudding-ish, too, you know. But at least presenting a point of view, but not in a dogmatic way. So that's the approach in all the things, whether it's exploring haunted houses or UFOs. Well, you know, I agree with you. There is no such thing as an unbiased book or an unbiased viewpoint. Anybody who says they're totally unbiased, as far as I'm concerned, is not telling me the truth. Well, I get annoyed when people say that, even when scientists say that. Because, you know, if you undertake a scientific formula or a scientific experiment, you must have some goal in mind. You can't just be fixing things together haphazardly. So I think anyone who follows any type of intellectual pursuit has some goal or some aspect or some thesis that you would like to demonstrate, at least. Sure. What do you think the most interesting phenomenon or event or occurrence or freak of nature or whatever that you've ever investigated, what was the most interesting and intriguing to you? Well, I'm not good at questions like that because, as I said, all of this is so intriguing to me. I suppose, and I speak for my wife Sherry here, too, I think one aspect that, to us, ties it all together is probably the UFO phenomena tied together with the question of who we really are. What truly are our origins? And I think these are things that we really have to get in place before, and I'm not at all now. Sometimes I say this, people think I'm knocking the space program. I'm not. But what I'm saying is, before we go tracing out into space and, quote, unquote, conquering new worlds, I think we really need to know who we are, what our true identity is, and what our responsibility is to the universe. Well, I think we're tampering with an awful lot of things that we don't have any business tampering with, specifically since we don't have any way of controlling the use of a lot of these things, such as just getting into genetic tampering with the creation of new life forms and tampering with... Well, that's really dangerous to get into that. Boy, isn't it? Especially since the history of the world shows that there have been men and groups of men who band together to create the perfect super race. I mean, what does that mean in the light of the ability to literally do that? Well, what that means is someone is deciding who that super man is, and that, I think you and I are really nifty guys, Bill, but maybe someone won't think we fit that categorization, and we're out. We don't get to be included. That's right. And I think we should all have a vote, you know, in this society, and I think we all need to have a voice in deciding what avenues and positions our governments take, because, I don't know, I guess I'm kind of old-fashioned that way, but it does say government by the people, and we is the people. That's correct. And the whole purpose of the hour of the time, and I don't think that you've heard the show before, but the whole purpose of the hour of the time is to wake the sheeple, the people that are really asleep out there and don't understand that there's things in the world happening that they need to pay attention to, and that what they perceive the world as being is really not the way it really is, and try to empower them once they've awakened and try to save, to me, the penultimate achievement of all mankind, which is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the only document ever pinned by the hand and mind of man that ever set man free. Mm-hmm. And I think that is so important, and at the same time, I admonish my audience not to believe what I say, or what you say, or President Clinton says, or Dan Rather, or Tom Valentine, or Ted Koppel, or even their own mother. Right. But learn to investigate and research and think for themselves so that they can be their own leaders. That's what real empowerment is. Yes. Well, I think that's a noble goal, Bill, and I certainly can speak up and cast my vote that when it comes to waking up people, no one does it better than you. Well, thank you. You've done a little bit yourself. You know, you don't agree with everything I say or do, and in fact, a lot of people out there don't agree with everything I say or do, and I certainly don't agree with everything that you say or do. But one thing that makes you and I unique, and maybe James Mosley and a few other people that I can name, is that we can sit down, and even with our differences, we can have an intelligent discussion. Exactly. And not get angry with each other. I've never been able to handle that, Bill. I don't play cards. There are very few games that I indulge in at all, because as a small boy, when I would say people, they come and lose it over Monopoly set or whatever. I think, you know, I've never been able to understand it. With my own children, I said from the beginning, I will never argue, but we will discuss things. And I say that to people today. I'll discuss things till my tongue can no longer quiver in my jaws, but I'm not going to argue with you. When you argue, that simply entrenches each other's position on the firmament, and nothing happens. But with discussion, oh, I love discussion. And as you say, Bill, we might not agree on everything, but we've had some dandy discussions till the wee hours. I wish everyone could do that, because to me, a conversation or a dialogue is an exchange of ideas. Exactly. And only insecure people have to win the dialogue. And they don't come away learning anything from it. Well, what we're doing is expressing our opinions. Right. I have definite opinions, but they change. And I really want to hold that right. I began in UFO research. First of all, I came from the area of psychical research, basically exploring the mind. And my first take on UFOs was that it was kind of a nutty subject that some people got carried away with, and there probably wasn't a whole lot of truth to it. Then I began to explore it really openly with my first book, Strangers in the Skies. And, again, the timing was perfect there. That came out the very week that Dr. J. Allen Hynek said the Michigan sightings were swamp gas. So everything was in the news. And that book sold, or it got on the bestseller list like within three weeks and sold out. So I thought, well, I guess, you know, I was right there. People do take this subject very seriously. So from that time on, from 1966 on, I have made a very serious study of the UFO phenomena. At that time, the prevailing attitude was nuts and bolts. They were machines of outer space. They may not have anybody inside them, but they were clanking machines from outer space. They were space bros. Again, as I examined the evidence at that time, it seemed like we're dealing with a paraphysical phenomenon. Or it occurred to me, because I, like yourself, had always been intrigued by the secret societies, the occult societies, the societies of which Hitler and other people remember. And I thought, again, as I know you put out, Bill, that this could be a hoax by some terrestrially based society that has great power, has great strength. And I was fascinated, and I bet you were too, when the James Bond series came out. Oh, yes. So I wrote it about SMERS, this incredible secret kind of society that did its own thing, had its own rules, had its own armies, had its own power, had its own money, and basically could do anything. You remember there, they capture astronauts. They capture our submarines. Now, this is SMERS. It's a terrestrial organization. And, again, I thought that might be Ian Fleming's way of telling us things about what is really going on. So that certainly was on the aspect. And then I think there's still the mental aspect, the psychic aspect, the psychological aspect, and even the spiritual aspect of UFOs. I think the whole phenomena tells us a lot about who we really are as a people, as a species, if you will. Well, I've certainly found that there's a definite connection between UFOs and what contactees are told, and even the names of some of these supposed aliens who contact people, and the ancient gods of the mysteries. That's right. And since the mysteries are still practiced today and super, this intrigues me even more. Oh, very much so. So that's right. I remember we did have a discussion about that late one night in Hawaii, I think. Yeah, probably. We had both kind of stumbled on that, about the ancient gods that seemed to be popping up again in the contact team reports. Even though these people, I don't doubt for one minute when they tell me in all sincerity, if I make an illusion, they don't know what I'm talking about. And I believe them because I don't think that many people are familiar with the mystery schools in our society. That's true. Well, you'll find that the listeners to this program are, because I've done approximately 28 hours, just the mystery schools, starting from the dawn of man right up to the present day. So they know what we're talking about. They know what we're talking about. Well, I think I'm still correct in my assessment of the general abomination. Oh, yes, without any doubt. What is your assessment of the government's role in this? When they say that they don't know anything about UFOs or extraterrestrials, do you think they're telling the truth? Well, again, I'm going to fall back on something I've said many times. The government isn't just one person. No. I've been asked since the beginning, well, what does the Air Force say about this? And as a little boy, I was asked, well, what does the minister say about this? It seems like too many people are so easily led to relegate their thinking to somebody else. And they also seem to anthropomorphize a group into one person, that the Air Force, you know, is one bird colonel. And that's all we're dealing with, that the government is one tax collector. And that's all we're dealing with. We're dealing with many, many people. So what I have found in my research in the last 30 years is that within the government, within the Air Force, within the military, I've had some of my greatest allies. Some of my greatest allies, for example, were fighter pilots in Korea, who, there they were in those stiffy new jets. They were sweeping over the Yalu River. They were, oh, man, they were God's gifts to women and apple pie. And there they were flying this machine on the cutting edge of technology. And all of a sudden, shoom, here comes this object that just makes them look like they're still on their tricycles. And some people have had a vendetta. Some pilots have had a vendetta against the UFO for making them look like monkeys ever since then. Again, within the military, within the law enforcement agencies. I've had, I can say that I've had members of the different law enforcement agencies save my life on certain occasions. But then I know there are others who probably regard me as somewhere, you know, south of insane or as a rabble rouser or as a troublemaker or as a kook. So, again, people's opinions. I guess when you reach a certain age, I'm at the point now where I'm simply doing the work, simply putting the ideas out. And I don't have that youthful compulsion anymore that everyone agrees with me or that I win every argument, as we were discussing earlier. So, certainly, I think there are aspects of the government that have been covering it up. I think there are aspects of the government who have been doing their darndest to expose this, who are just as confused, who are just as baffled, and who are just as eager to solve this mystery as you and I are, Bill. Well, you may be right. My experience tells me that those who talk to the public are probably telling the truth when they say they don't know anything. Yeah. And the government doesn't know anything because that's what they've been told. Uh-huh. And they don't have access to anything because they're usually public relations officers. And they say what they're told to say. Exactly. And when they say it, they believe it. Uh-huh. And so they come off as being believable. Uh-huh. But when you get behind the scenes, as you discussed, and talk to pilots and people who are involved in these things, you begin to see a different story and a different pattern begins to emerge. I guess I think so often, and I don't want to get into politics because I'm basically apolitical. I'm an independent. I don't vote a party. I try to look at the person. But I admired Adelaide Stevenson as a human being, so I'm not going to talk about the fact he was a Democrat or whatever. But I still remember this dignified gentleman when he sat in the U.N. and denied with all of his heart and spirit that Gary Powers and the U-2 was taking place, that we could not do that. His government would not spy in that way. And then when the facts were irrevocable, when he had to admit that we did indeed have U-2 planes going over Russia and that Francis Gary Powers was indeed an employee of our government. And I will always think again of the sincere government worker who, just as you said, Bill, is doing what he's told, sincerely believes it because that's the way he was reared. That's the way he was brought up. That's what his parents told him. That's what his grandparents told him. That's what the movies have told him. And he believes it. So the age we're going through now of cynicism and disbelief and skepticism is healthy in one way. But, again, I think a balance is going to come there, too. And I think that more of the officials in the government, and, again, I'm going to sound like a talk-eyed optimist, but I think a lot of the material that you're talking about, other people are talking about, is going to start touching the consciences of some of those people. And I know I've been in audiences where not everybody there likes you, Bill. And some of the people I think have probably come with the attitude of maybe even getting some dirt on you or whatever. I think some of those people, and here goes the cock-eyed optimist again, I think you're going to start touching the consciences of some of those people. And I think we're going to start seeing a change. Well, I certainly hope you're right. I know that when I first began and believed wholeheartedly that what I had seen when I was attached to the naval intelligence could only be the truth, and was talking about extraterrestrials and that I had seen documents that said that they were real, thousands and thousands of people flocked to me, and it was incredible. When I began to connect that with the New World Order, then I came under attack like you never would believe in your entire life. As long as I stuck to the extraterrestrials are here, everything was fine. When I began to connect extraterrestrials with New World Order, things got very, very nasty. And then when I began to see traces of a plan all the way back to 1917 and before, and could connect that with the running of the War of the Worlds by the Mercury Theater and Orson Welles in 1936 as a test of this hypothesis, and began to think that maybe extraterrestrials aren't here, maybe this is some kind of a manipulation to create a one-world government, then things got so nasty that we found ourselves in a ditch with nothing. And now people are beginning to look at that as well as everything else. Now, there's always been people out there who refused to believe that extraterrestrials were real, but those same people refused to believe that it could also be used as a manipulation to create a one-world government. Boy, you got me a little nervous, Bill. The last chapter in our new book that we're working on is UFOs and the New World Order. Isn't it funny how research converges? Well, of course, you certainly will be quoted in that chapter, so the discussions we've had, which we've taped with your permission. Well, don't get me wrong. I don't know if extraterrestrials are real or not. Well, I... But I've come to believe that there is a power in this world who are using extraterrestrials, whether they are real or not, to create an artificial enemy from outer space, whether they're an enemy or not, whether they're even real or not, to create a downfall of national boundaries and a formation of a one-world government to protect us, so that we can all come together to protect ourselves from this threat from outer space. Well, I think so often, and I think you're familiar with the quote, Bill, and I have it on, you know, down, and I'm using it in the book, when Reagan was talking to you and in talking to Gorbachev... Oh, yes, I know, exactly. Okay, you know what I'm going to say? Yeah, but the audience may not. Go ahead. Okay. When he said, wouldn't it be nice... And we can just hear the great communicator saying this, you know, well, wouldn't it be nice if we had a threat from outer space and then all the countries would bow together because we had a common enemy? Wouldn't that be great? And wouldn't it... Well, maybe if... Even if it didn't happen, wouldn't it be great if we could make people think it was happening? Now, that's Reagan's quote. Yes. And again, you know, the guy blessed his heart. And again, I'm not being political, folks, when I say this, but I think the man was genuinely had a good heart. I'm not going to brag about maybe above his heart. And I think that maybe he slipped and said a lot of things that he wasn't really supposed to say. And I've often felt if that wasn't one of those areas where maybe he slipped and said something that had been presented to him, but he wasn't supposed to bring it out that way. That could be. But words like that from a president are bound to instill the subconscious idea in people's minds that there is a threat from space, whether there is or not. Yeah, yeah. And remember that Hitler brought the German people together by making the Jews a common enemy. Mm-hmm. And in the Cold War, brought this country together and the free world together to face the evil empire, which was the Soviet Union. Right. And that's the saddest, I think, one of the saddest aspects of human history. There always has to be the other. Yes. There always has to be the other. The other that we can make weird, that we can make less than human, that we can annihilate without conscience. Whether it's the Western expansion, and it's the Native American. Whether it's because we need cheap labor, and it's the Afro-American slave. That ability we have in the most noble and spiritual, and this can be preached from the pulpit of mainstream churches, of making and creating the other, the enemy. Do you think that there's something in humanity as a whole that says that unless there's somebody lower than us, we're nothing? I think, and here again, as a former teacher, I'm going to say that. I'm so, I get sick to my stomach when I see this state of American education right now. I mean, I get literally ill when I think of it. But to me, education is still one of the great salvations. And I know you believe in that as well. Yes, absolutely. Educating the people and taking again, and I'm not trying to parrot you, Bill, because I really believe this, but taking our power back as a people and giving us the basic education. I think education, what you have just said again, is the earmark of the person, bless their hearts, who feel inferior, who know that they do not have an adequate education, who fear that their very common labor jobs are going to be taken away from them. They desperately need to feel for some reason until we can make everyone feel that they have a sovereign entity within them, that they have a right and a purpose and a goal, until we can kind of go back to the tribal structure of living where everyone in the tribe has value, where everyone is important, where everyone is significant. Until we can get those kind of basic ethics back in our culture, then we're going to have prejudice and bigotry and hatred. Sure. Well, we've got to take a break right now. Why don't you just hang on? Okay. Maybe you'll be interested in what I'm going to say, too. I bet I will. And for my steady listeners out there, you're going to hear once again, folks, we are in an extremely unstable period as far as the economy of the world, the economy of this nation. Your own economy and your family is not too rock steady. We all know that. We are facing great change in the world. Whether we want it or not, it is coming. 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I stopped right still and I did to freeze. Get that throw right up to me. Face noise with me just now like a draw. Say that you're gonna be here when morning calls. Say you have to be here when morning calls. I won't stay right here when they go no longer. I own this house now I am born. Ain't no born's gonna run me old. In the kitchen my cook's so amazing. Oh. Come on, fallin' in the floor. I'm gonna be here when morning calls. I'm gonna be here when morning calls. Well, folks, we're back with Avengers. And our special guest tonight is Mr. Brad Steiger, who's written... Gosh, I don't know, Brad. How many books have you written? I think about 128. 128. That makes you an extremely prolific author. I guess that would be the designation. What are some of the subjects that you've covered? What are some of the names of your books? Ah, let's see. We can go all the way back. Mysteries of Time and Space is one that a lot of people have read. I'm having a little level problems with you, Brad. I need you to make sure your phone's right in front of your mouth. That's much better. Okay. Mysteries of Time and Space, Medicine Power, Strangers from the Skies. Are we still there? Yeah, we're still here. Oh, okay. There was some strange noise coming out. There's always strange noise in my phones. There were a lot of strange noise in my phones all day long. We're receiving an awful lot of threats by telephone. We have a recorder now on the phone. We've notified the county sheriff, the police department, and the telephone company. And it has to do with an expose show that I ran not too many days ago. Also, our sponsor is receiving ultimatums, and all kinds of things are happening. So we're taking the normal precautions around here. Also, I need to tell the listening audience that WWCR is back on the air. During that little musical selection, we turn on the shortwave radio, and WWCR is strong. For those of you who don't know what happened, they had one of the phases of the three-phase power that goes to the generator for 7435. And they were working feverishly to repair it, and they are now back on the air. Well, let's get back to some of the subjects you've written about, Brad. Yeah, okay. I've written, as I say, Mysteries of Time and Space. It's been a very popular book. Worlds Before Our Own, Gods of Aquarius, UFOs, and the Transformation of Humankind. That's all one title. A very popular book. Everything from German to Japanese. German to Japanese. That's been published. Project Blue Book. I edited the Air Force Files. Project Blue Book of UFOs. As I say, the books on Native American medicine, the shamans. Sherry and I recently wrote Hollywood and the Supernatural, which deals with the supernatural phenomena that many movie stars have experienced. Are you talking about books? We had a literary guild selection last year, which we're pleased of. That's like getting an Academy Award nomination when you're a writer. What was that? And with our book on pets, Strange Powers of Pets. That sounds interesting. And, yeah. Did you see Stephen King's Pet Cemetery, by the way? Well, that kind of upset my stomach. That kind of upset a lot of people still. You're upset. And then I have written a number of novels. I've written a lot of mystery stories all the way back with Alfred Hitchcock and The Saint and so forth. And then my book on Rudolph Valentino was made into a movie by Ken Russell, the British producer. And on and on. And as we're talking with the paranormal, I've done a lot of ghost busting in the earlier days, going into haunted houses, working with that. Did you ever find evidence or really believe that any of the ghosts you investigated were real? Yeah, yeah. I went in purely intellectual, almost smugly, disgustingly intellectual, Bill, thinking that everything could be explained by a squirrel in the attic or a squirrel in someone upstairs. Found again to my, I guess, we all need to be humbled. I mean, I'm a fan. And running up against phenomena. And I had a buddy, ex-Green Beret Special Forces, a guy who's been a friend of mine for years, who would always go with me. In case, you know, sometimes people do nasty things when they set you up. So he was always along. Usually had a couple friends who were police officers. And then there would be journalists and so forth. So we had a pretty good team. And we had a lot of electronic material and so forth. There was this one place in Lincoln, Nebraska. Where a series of violent murders had taken place in the house over the years. And we were called there. Very often the people would call us there. Believe it or not, Bill, would be police officers who were called out. You know, and again, they thought the same thing. You know, ha, ha, ghost. And then when they would find something, they could not explain or they saw. That's when they'd call us. So I thought that was a very solid lead. Well, police officers are usually pretty hardened. And they're not surprised by anything. I'm, I'm, that's very interesting. I found it very interesting. And it's the same way with UFOs. Again, my best leads have come from police officers. The police officers who drive the traffic airplanes and helicopters and so forth who have encountered things. So I must say that I've had an excellent relationship with law enforcement officers all over the United States. And enjoy that very much. At any rate, in this particular basement, to make a long story short, they had things like, you know, they'd turn on the faucet in the basement and put it here. The blood would come out. And they'd seen the manifestations. It's just a wide variety of things. So anyway, we were back in this one room. And I could see, or one of my associates called it to my attention. I was in this back room when one of the murders had taken place. The door kept trying to close. Now, the door had to go uphill. It was an old basement that had probably been dirt floor and it just covered with cement. You've seen those. Sure. So it would hit, Bill, normally it would hit a ridge, a rise in the cement floor, but it would push itself over that. So, I mean, there was definitely a force trying to shut this door on me. So to hold it, again, both my friends were over 200 pounds and they held the door. And then after we left, after I'd finished my examination, I said, okay, the crazy door wants to be closed. Shut the damn thing and lock it, which is what they did. We went upstairs and we had not been upstairs very long when all of a sudden there was this tremendous crash. And we knew it was that door being smashed open. And then we heard footsteps like King Kong coming up from the basement stairs. And every one of us in the room, and all of us guys were over 200 pounds, got literally lifted and thrown up in the air. Now, that tends to get your attention. Well, it would certainly get mine really quick. Yeah, when some invisible energy, you know, but yet seems to have an intelligence. First kind of playful, but then I ticked it off. I thought, okay, buddy, you want to play. Well, that kind of thing I encountered in a number of houses where there was a force, there was an energy, which seemed to be intelligent. And, you know, so I had to revise my worldview. I had to revise a lot of my philosophy. I still don't know, and I'm not dogmatic about what that is. But it's what we've called ghosts or what we've called spirits, you know, throughout the centuries. And a lot of people would say that's demonic or demon. What do you think about that? Well, I would have laughed my head off at that a few years ago, too. But, again, I might not have the standard orthodox definition of what that word means. But I have also come to accept that there can be negative pockets, or let me rephrase that, pockets of negative energy that really seem to want to do you bad. And this is based upon personal experience? Oh, yes, yes. What do you think about the concept of angelic beings or good beings that watch over people? I, again, I've had, I have to say, whatever that is, whatever you want to call it, guide, guardian, I have had my life saved. I have, I've had a contact that way. I've been cured of a strange disease by following whatever you want to call it, angelic guidance, spirit guide, or whatever. Again, I've, my personal experience, Bill, whatever it is, and, again, I was so damned intellectual, and I was so proud of my IQ and proud of my brain. And now I've come to accept that we have to have an attitude of openness toward things. Well, you're describing my experience exactly. You know, I started out when I was 16. I knew everything. Yeah. And that's kind of a neat feeling. Yeah. And I've grown to the point now where I know nothing. Yeah. I've got a lot of clues, but I really don't know anything. And I'm searching for the answers just as hard and fast and furious as I can search. Yeah. And I have found some of the answers. Mm-hmm. I feel I've found some answers. But every time I find an answer, every single time I find an answer, I find 5,000 more questions. Yeah. And that is just my mind. I had, early in my career, I had some, I had a couple, I was very fortunate to have a couple much older mentors who are quiet and unsung, who were in this field, you know, long before you or I were half-spilled, who gave me some really good advice. And one advice, and people don't understand this, so you have to be careful how you say it. So belief is the enemy. And what he meant by that is if you belong, believe too strongly in any one theory, you can be misled. So certainly I have my beliefs. Certainly I have my opinions. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying I think in this area. You can't shut the door to other ideas and other possibilities. Because you and I have both seen, and we both know, people who have one hypothesis. Yes. And every little scrap of evidence has to fit that hypothesis. Or what did they do with it? Throw it out. Yeah. So, like you just said, my friend, we have to keep the door open because none of us know the whole picture. And any time someone tells me he has the answers, I know I don't want to take a long bus ride with that person. That's usually a sign for me to say, you probably don't know as much as you think, my friend. That's true. And I remember doing one show here where I began to open people's minds to some things that no one even wants to consider. And I made the point that he, he who listens and believes what they're told all their life, become prisoners of those beliefs. Yeah. And they are locked in chains just as the prisoner is locked in chains in death row. That's true. And in fact, if they don't get out of that situation, they will die just like that prisoner on death row. Yes. And die without ever having lived. That's correct. It's very strange. I don't know if you've discovered this or not, but I have learned in my life that you only begin to live when you begin to walk on the edge of the razor. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I had a very profound near-death experience when I was 11. which demonstrated to me, and I said to me, my experience doesn't have to prove anything to anyone else because it was my experience. That there is that within us that is eternal. There is that within us that lives on. And now I'm not in any hurry to replicate that experience. But having that kind of experience does remove your fear of death when you find out there really is no pain. When you reach the point where you are really dying, where you have really been beat up so much, which is what happened to me, that you are dying. There is no pain. Now, as I said, I'm not in a hurry to repeat the experience because I feel I've got a lot of things I want to do yet. But having that experience at the age of 11 really freed me from a lot of, I think, time. A lot of people spend their lives saying, do we survive death? Is there something beyond? Well, to me, I had that demonstrated when I was 11. I also had contact with something, some humanoid-type entity when I was five. Now, I'm not dogmatic about what that entity was. I thought you were going to tell me an abduction story. I wouldn't make that claim. I don't know what happened. I only know that this entity, I grew up in the plains, as I think you know, the wide open spaces. Sure. There weren't other houses around, and one evening I heard footsteps in the October leaves. I heard we didn't have running water at that time. I heard the washtub from the pump being dragged over to the house. Oh, I remember. You told me this. Yeah, I'm sure. Go ahead. The listeners will find it fascinating. Well, I saw this smallish entity. What I first thought was a small man with a big hat until, as I was staring at the entity, it's like, because we've all done that, we've looked at the back of somebody's head, you know, until they turn around. I guess that's what happened, because I sat in the inch of my bed just staring at this stranger, this intruder to our farm. And then slowly that entity turned to me, and of course it was, you know, again, the eyes were pretty reptilian, and I saw that that wasn't a big hat he had, but that was an elongated skull. And then I don't remember anything else. Were you afraid? I don't even remember fear. I remember being intrigued. I've always been a night person, so, of course, a little boy should have been in bed. I just had a little vacation with my mother, sister, and the families, and so forth. Because I'm still a night person, as you know. I go to bed at 4, 4.30, and my mother was saying, I'm always that way, you know. They could never put me to bed, and so forth. So I just always enjoyed the evening for my work and my thinking and so forth. So that's why I was up then, and that's why I saw the entity. Now, again, whatever that entity was, and I'm not dogmatic about it at all. Some people say it was a dream. Well, if it was a dream, it's the most profound dream. And it's probably the only one I remember being four and a half. I don't remember any of the dreams from that time. But this I have never forgotten. I mean, I can still see that. I can still see that entity, whatever it was. So I had these experiences before I was 11. So people go through their entire lives, you know, saying, what's our purpose in life? And are we alone in the universe? And is there life after death? Well, I feel really blessed, not special and not wonderful, but blessed that I had those big questions answered for a real deal before I was 11. So I could really focus on my work, you know. And basically, my work is kind of telling people, or at least alerting people to those realities. Well, you know, I can remember having some pretty vivid dreams when I was small. The dreams were so vivid that they were real. And I couldn't separate reality from the dream. It wasn't anything like what you dreamed. I remember for a period of time I used to dream that I was falling. Later I learned that it's supposed to be a sign of insecurity, that you don't feel comfortable where you're at or something. I mean, I don't know if that's really true or not, but I grew out of that after about six months. But boy, I would wake up covered with sweat and just shaking and still feeling like I was falling. And then it would take me a minute to get my bearings in the room and realize that it was just a dream. Well, what I learned to do early with my dreams, which is why I'm kind of convinced it isn't that someone insists that, oh, I was a child of dreaming. And I'm not interested, as I said, in arguing with the person. I don't think it's a dream that you have because so many people have this same experience. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But they attribute it to something else and they're absolutely positive they know what it is. And I don't think they know what it is any more than the man in the moon. No. We have to say, but interestingly, and I have to share this with you because it was just a few years ago. I'm 57 years old. So I had this experience when I was, before I was five. So, I mean, I was nearly five, but not quite. So, I mean, we're going back a few years. I walked in in Sedona, Arizona. And, of course, you know where that is. Yep. And a friend of mine was having an art show. He does these spacey kind of paintings and so forth. And I walked in there and there, son of a gun, was as close to the entity I saw when I was five years old as I've ever seen. In one of his paintings? In one of his paintings. So I said, Luis. I said, my gosh. I said, did you do that from my description? Because I thought maybe I'd, you know, he'd been in the audience or something or at his home or some of a friend's home. He says, no, no, no. I was commissioned to do that by a lady. Well, as it never happens in real life, but always happens in the movies. But this time happened in real life. The lady came walking in. Now, here is a woman who now lived in California, Bill. But when we met and compared notes, I grew up in a little town, not in the town, but near a small Iowa town out in the country. This woman that we're meeting for the first time 50 years later, this woman grew up in that small Iowa town next to ours. Wow. And she had done? She had seen, and we compared notes. Now, I'm not saying it's the same entity, but she thought it's a similar entity that would have been done the same night, the same time. And we don't get confirmation until, you know, almost 50 years later. You know, the same thing happened with Willie Strieber's book, Communion. When that book hit the shelves, many people who had no interest in UFOs or extraterrestrials whatsoever would walk by the book rack and just see the cover of that book and go into hysterics. Yeah. Yeah. Because in some dream or in some experience that they had somewhere in their life, they had seen that same creature on the front of that book. That's right. Now, there's a lot of people out there, I know, shaking their heads. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, fine. As I've told them over and over and over again, this is something significant. It's either some manipulation of the most, probably grandest and most successful mind control operation in the history of the world, or it's a real phenomenon involving something that we don't understand at this point, or it's really extraterrestrials visiting this earth. But whatever it is, it is significant and it's affecting large numbers of people. But what's more important is affecting the subconscious of all of us and is leading us in a direction that we don't know yet whether we want to go down that road. And we need to stand back and evaluate this and find out if we really want to go down that road or not. What do you think about that? That's the moment of truth, the moment of decision we all have to face. And I have opted for exploring the road, staying open, looking at all possibilities, trying not to be locked dogmatically to anyone. But as you, my friend, intrigued by the mystery, because something is going on. Now, I'm kind of uncomfortable because every time I think, I picked up, I was at random, I picked up a book on the Illuminati at one time. And I saw my name in there in several places, not as an Illuminati, but of things that had happened to me that people had cleaned from my books, specific incidents. Also in that book, I read that one of the early founders or manipulators or whatever of this society was a Baron Bode, B-O-D-E. I happen to have been born in the only town Bode in the world. Wow. Well, I hate to do this, Brad, but we're just about out of time. Can you give an address and a phone number where our listeners can reach you if they wish? Maybe find out about you. I should give an address, and I should mention, if they would send a stamp self-addressed envelope to number 10, I would be happy to send a little catalog and where we're going to be and some of our overseas expeditions, if they'd like. Okay. So if they would send that to 505 West M, that's M as in mother, 505 West M Street, Forest City, two words, Forest City, Iowa, 50436. And folks, if you don't remember that or you didn't get to write it down, I will post it on the hotline for you. Brad, I want to thank you for being our guest tonight. It was really nice to talk to you again. Oh, good to talk to you always, Bill. Give my best to the family. Fantastic. And tell Sherry we said hello also. Will do. Take care, girlfriend. Good night, folks. And God bless each and every single one of you. The sound you hear is dripping blood. This is the start of Black Sunday. Black Sunday. Black Sunday. Cut the fat off the back of a baboon Pour it down to a pound, get a spoon To die for a fly-fine baboon Take the jaws and the paws off a coon Take your pound, ain't fine for good cooking Cause the rest of this mess ain't good looking Take the sleeves from the knees of a demon Tell your pals and gals will come to me To the feet, put the feet, put the mouth out Then they're fine when the fine is going to go down It's a step for the fat for who stays At the feet, put the feet, put the mouth out Cut your teeth with a piece of a goose toenail At the death, fill the breath of a drunken jail Pull the fat off your friend with a razor blade In the night, change the mind, bring back yesterday Take your hand, fight your legs, shoot your mother-in-law Put on your gorilla suit, drink some elbow soup and have them all Get it straight, don't be lazy, time for mad fun The feet, put the mouth out And the feet, put the feet, put the mouth out And they're fine when the fine is going to go down The steps for the fat for You still there, Brad? Yeah How'd you like it? I think it really went fast Oh yeah, it does The hour goes real quick I think when you said that it was over Yeah, the hour goes really quick That does Well, how'd you think it went? Oh, I think it went fantastic I think it was really nice It was kind of a laid-back, easy conversation And we talked about things that people find absolutely fascinating Even if they don't know anything about it And the ones who do know something about it Are usually sitting on the edge of their chair Waiting for some great revelation Which we never give them Because we don't have it either I'm disappointed many people who come up to me for the word Oh yeah, me too The revelation I say, I'm sorry, I don't have it But if you ever find it, please tell me Yeah, me too Well, it was really good to talk to you And I hope it's not too long before we get together Well, I hope not too I'll be in You're not going to New York, I take it No, I don't know The Whole Life Expo No, I don't ever go to the Whole Life Expo But you don't do those anymore? No, they really upset me They really made me angry Oh, really? Well, first I went And they didn't pay me for a year Oh, really? And then the Expo dissolved And then they put it back together again They called me and went and come speak And I said, are you kidding me? You didn't pay me from a year ago I'm not going to come and speak at your Expo You know, you said you were going to pay me If I went and spoke I could feel them I could feel them What a year ago I went and spoke to them I did not say I went and said I could feel them So far I could feel them I'm nearly $20 I think they did I haven't seen my恥 And they stayed They walked over And they just blew them And I said, are you gonna And they boom I'm not seeing them But you need it And they Welto And I asked women Give up you I mean, theyVER If I knew my Jam And they went and say I'm sorry They were going And they were going My Tür And he was going I didn't guess I mean, so I females I ran Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.