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The words that we read on a courthouse wall are the words that make us free. And the more we remember the way we get, the closer we get to the best we can be. Will there ever be a time we forgot his words All the rules and the stars If we lead to the children a star full of hope And a flag that fills us up America, America And we need you all It answers the voice of the stars And the sounds of all the praise If we can't get you for the children a star full of hope America If we can't get you for the children a star full of hope And the children a star full of hope America, America Larry D. Craft, welcome to the Hour of the Time. Hello, how are you doing? Oh, I'm doing pretty good, and I'm so happy to have you as my guest tonight. Pleasure. We're going to talk about something that you sent to me a couple of weeks ago And I've had a little time to look over it And also that there's a book that you want to talk about That's written by the lead counsel in this action Dr. William F. Pepper from London, England And the other attorney who's involved here is Wayne Chastain Of Memphis, Tennessee Who's an associate counsel And they are both working on behalf of James Earl Ray Who is suing Lloyd Jowers, Raul, and other unknown co-conspirators This name Raul keeps popping up all over the place And has for quite some time In some of the more despicable acts of the intelligence community And in particular the Central Intelligence Agency Do you want to start out and tell us what this suit is all about, Raul? And you go to the police office in downtown Memphis, Tennessee And pull the file And sure enough there it was And you open it up and the complaint is on top And all the other pleadings are down below it And sure enough there is this lawsuit Filed back in August of 94 Whereby James Earl Ray is suing this fellow by the name of Lloyd Jowers And another party that's named in the case is Raul Blank And that Blank is there for a very specific reason But sure enough there is a lawsuit that's been filed And sure enough James Earl Ray is being represented by these two lawyers And sure enough Lloyd Jowers has been sued And sure enough Raul Blank has been sued And Raul Blank has even gone out and got a lawyer to defend him Raul Blank And you can see that I keep saying Blank And maybe our listeners probably don't understand why I'm saying that That's about his last name B-L-A-N-K When you take a look at the face of the complaint It's got Raul And then it's got a long line there And that's an empty space for his last name And when the lawsuit was filed They didn't have conclusive proof about what his last name was But since that time they know who he is But still nonetheless none of the parties involved in the case Has stepped forward And inserted for the public record His true name And they're still keeping it hidden I guess there's a gentleman's agreement among the plaintiff And the defense Not to reveal at this time who he is So his lawyer even files pleadings on behalf of this defendant in this case And the lawyer files it You know, this is a brief on behalf of Raul Blank Last name unrevealed at the present time I had never seen that before in my life And when I was reading through the response of Raul Blank I was amazed to find that Indeed, in his response Every time his name is listed In this response His last name is not Yes, and Raul knows That Pepper and James Earl Ray Know who he is Because they went to his house And had him served with the lawsuit So he Raul knows That they know And apparently there's You know, while I haven't checked this out And confirmed it for myself The only thing that you can conclude By looking at the file Is the fact that there must in fact For whatever reason You know, we're not privy to the To the reason why But it's quite obvious That all the parties are agreeing That at the present moment They will still continue Referring to this Individual not known to us But known to the parties They'll continue referring to him As Raul Blank Well, I think I have a suspicion As to why Raul Blank Doesn't want his last name known He was implicated In the Kennedy assassination And many other Despicable deeds And people have been looking for him For many years And this is the first time That I've had any indication That anybody knew who he was All right, they've certainly Pepper found out about it Let me tell you a little bit About Pepper Okay He, you know If you read his book He came out with a book Recently called It obviously could have Come off the press As soon as last November I would think So it's a A book that's hot off the press And it's just barely dry On the pages William F. Pepper Is a man I would gauge his age To be about 55 Maybe 60 But he was prominent Back during the Civil Rights era And if you read his book Called Orders to Kill He's got pictures In the middle of his book And it shows him Walking with Martin Luther King During a lot of the Civil Rights Protests And things of that nature So here you have a man That is At least coming from The liberal side Of the political spectrum And he was closely associated With the Martin Luther King Camp And I have always thought That You know At least from the official line That was promoted by The King Camp That the King The King people Probably Accepted the party line About the The manner and means Of the death Of Martin Luther King You know That's just what I lived under that Presumption for a long time Primarily because Maybe race Was a factor In this At least in the relationship Of the acclaimed Relationship Between James Earl Ray And Martin Luther King But you know Here you have this William F. Pepper fellow Who's an international lawyer He comes from the northeast But he He's a lawyer And he's really Practicing international law So he maintains An office in London But I was Fascinated That somebody In that camp A man of that caliber Would ultimately decide To Go meet The Man Who had Plead guilty To pulling the trigger And Assassinating Martin Luther King But in any event That happened And he was Pepper when he went To see James Earl Ray In jail Was accompanied by Several prominent Civil rights Leaders And after that meeting They came away With the Firm You know They were convinced They had a firm conviction That That James Was innocent Now Subsequent to that meeting Let's Let's change the scenario A little bit Let's move A little bit forward Into time And deal with Another patriot Individual Do you ever remember A man by the name Of Tupper Saucy Have you ever heard The name Yes I did I have heard the name I don't know The person Okay Tupper was A playwright An author An advertising Executive From Nashville Tennessee And back in the 60's and 70's That's where he was living But In the In the Well about 76 or 77 He left Nashville He and his wife Freddie And then moved up To Swanee Tennessee And Tupper Was beginning to get into You know The patriot movement At that time Of course he filed For 77, 78 And 79 He filed this Income tax return So you know It's clear that By the time that Tupper moved to Swanee That he was clearly Deeply involved In the patriot movement But Tupper Back Starting about 1980 He wrote a little book Called Miracle on Main Street And that was A very simple book Yet it was Written in such a manner That When people would Read it It would turn them Into Wild advocates For the Constitution The book was about Article 1 Section 10 Clause 1 Of the Constitution Which says No state shall Make anything Other than Gold and silver Coin Or tendered And payment Of debts That's what It was about The money issue But you know It was written So well That you know I could give That book To people On one evening And they wouldn't Know anything About this issue They would be Paper money Advocates And everything Else like that But the following Morning I would Talk to them And after they Had read the book And they said Wow They were turned on So you know That's the type Of individual That Tupper was He was Having a lot Of conventions In Suwannee Tennessee Back in the Early 80s But And as a Consequence The federales Had their attention Drawn to him And so by 1985 The feds Turned around And they Charged Tupper With the Crimes of Willful pay To file income Tax returns For 78, 79 And 80 And that Case is Unique in And of Itself But I got a Neighbor of Mine coming Over here Right now Bill I'm Standing out With I hope Your listeners Don't Mind the Interruption Here I'm standing Out on the Back porch Here Talking to You Tupper Was prosecuted By the feds For the Crime of Willful Fail To file And one Of the Things that He pulled Was a Series of Stunts During the Course of His case He would Do things Like Get himself Thrown in Jail for Contempt And one Of Tennessee's Most prominent Inmates in the Tennessee penal System was James Earl Ray And of course Tupper's case Was going on Down in Chattanooga And Brudgy Mountain Where James Was located Is in the Vicinity of Chattanooga So James Became aware Of the Existence of Tupper Saucy So sometime About late 85 James sent His manuscript To Tupper And said Hey look This is my Story I want Published And he had A lot of Confidence in Tupper's Writing capabilities And stuff like That So My personal Opinion is That was a Good selection A good choice On James Part And so Tupper started To work And he Polished up James' Manuscript And he Ultimately Published by Oh You know This Early part Of 1986 He Had published James' Book And the Name of That book Was called Tennessee Waltz In that Book From James' Viewpoint This is the Way The events Transpired James was Just a Peni Thief He Was Back in About 67 He Was In Prison In Missouri Or Some Petty Offense I Think It Was Burgundy Or Larceny Or Something Like That Just Property Offense And Then He Broke Out Of Jail And He Ultimately Worked His Way Up To Montreal Canada And There He Met A Shady Fellow By The Name Raul And Raul Supposed To Him Apparently Raul Came To Learn That James Was During That Conversation Meeting In That Bar He Came To Learn That James Was An Escaped Felon And He Was Looking For Money To Get Out Of The Country Well You Know If You Want Somebody To Totally Keep Under Your Control If You Want Somebody That Almost A Slave I Would Suggest That You Become Friends With Somebody That Recently Escaped From Jail They Need You Right Sure Okay Well That's What Raul Did Raul Employed James And Of Course James Was Sent All Around The Country By Raul They Sent Always To Do Something About Gun Running Well According To James The Way This He Got Set Up Was Raul Right Back In Late March Or Early April Of 1968 Martin King Was Killed As I Recall April 4th Of 68 So Somewhere Within Five Or Six Days Of That Raul And James Were In Birmingham Alabama And Raul Had James Go To A Place Called The Aero Marine Supply Which Was A Gun Dealer It Was Kind Of An Odd Name For A Gun Dealer But Nonetheless That Was A James Over There To Buy A Gun James Bought The Gun Bought It Back To Raul And Of course Raul Is Going To Be Displeased With It Because What He's Wanting To Do Is He's Wanting The Gun Seller To Recall Specifically That James Bought The Gun And The Way You Would Do That Is To Make Sure That The The Gun Had A Reason To Recall James So Raul Once James Bought The Gun That Raul Had Really Selected Raul Said No I Don't Want That Gun Take It Back And Get Another One Well There You Had The Offense The Events Orchestrated In Such Fashion So That And To The Gun Dealer It Was An Offense And To The Gun Dealer It Was An Offense Right Right Well Not An Offense But An Event If Recall Out Of The Ordinary And So That Is What Happened Well The Next Thing Raul Moves On Over To Memphis Without James And James Takes About Four Or Five Days To Fly From Birmingham To Memphis But He Nonetheless Gets There About Two Days Before The King Assassination Is Go Off And On The Day Of The Assassination James Met Raul The Lane Motel South Of Downtown Memphis The Physical Setting Around It Is That In The You Know Kind Of In The Vicinity Of You Know Within Eyeshot Of The Raleigh Motel Is The Back Side Of A Row Of Buildings In Which There Is One Business Establishment Called Jim's Grill And Next To Jim's Grill Is A Real Cheap Boarding House So James Was Supposed To Meet Raul At Jim's Grill And Bring Him The Gun And Of Course He Did That And Raul Told Him To Go Upstairs To The Boarding House And Rent A Room Under A Certain Name And That Happened And After All Those Things Happened James Was Told Just Kill Some Time So He Did And James His Position Is He Went To A Gas Station To Get His Leaky Tire Fixed And When He Came Back To Meet Raul At Jim's Grill He Saw A Bunch Of Cops Standing Around So Here He Is A Fleeing Felon And He Thought The Best Thing To Do Was To Leave The Scene And While He Was Doing That Within A Short Time While He Was Driving South Out Of Memphis He He Heard That Martin Luther King Had Been Assassinated At The Lorraine Motel And That's When He Begins To Conclude That Hey I Think I Been Set Up So To Make A Long Story Short Ray Went Over To Atlanta And Then Ultimately went Up To Canada Worked His Way Over To England Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Of The United States James When He Was Brought Back Into Tennessee To Stand Charges For The Murder Of King He Retained A Lawyer In Birmingham By The name Art Haynes And Art Haynes Is A Good Lawyer Back In Those Days I Know He Is Retired Now But It Was One Of The Alabama Attorneys Back Then But Art Haynes Was Going To Take The Case To Trial But Right Shortly Before The Trial Was To Start James Was Convinced To Drop Haynes And Bring In The Lawyer That He Had That Ultimately Persuaded Him To Plead Guilty And So James In Essence Contends That He Was Set Up To Enter A Guilty Plea To The Murder Of King And Of Course His Position Was Hey I'm Forced To Do This I'll Just Sleep Guilty And A Couple Days Later I'll Start Attacking The Plea And That's What He did So It's Quite Obvious James James James Had James Had A Different Strategy Other Than What He's Being Forced To By His Lawyer Well You That's All That James And You Know There Were A lot Of Suspicious Circumstances Regarding The State's Case The State's Chief Witness Against James Was A Guy That Was Supposed To Be Drunk At The Time Of The King Assass So Just On Analysis Of The State's Case You Can See That There Is Some Real Big Holes In It Now After Tupper Had Finished And Published James' Book Under The Title Of Tennessee Waltz That Was About The Time That Tupper Had Been Tried And He Had Been Convicted On One Of His Income Tax Counts And He Was Convicted On One Out Of Three Counts He Appealed And The Appellate Decision Came Out In Early 86 And Tupper Was Supposed To Report To Jail In Early 86 And That Was Just At The Same Time That James' Book Was Going To Be Released By Tupper So Tupper Ultimately Fled Rather Than Go To Jail And I Think One Of The Reasons Is Is That He Was Convinced That If He Did Go To Jail He Did His Life Was In Danger So While He Did Get The Book Out And While There Was It Did Reveal James' Story Because Of What Tupper Did Tennessee Waltz Didn't Get Much Circulation It Got Some But Not Enough So People Really Didn't Hear The Story Of James Are Away Because Of These Circumstances Unfortunate Circumstances Well About The Same Time Or Shortly There After That's When Old William Pepper Decides To Climb On Board And Start Doing Something For James And One Of The Things That He Did Was He Started Going Out He Reexamined The Government's Case Found The Holes In And Then He Started Digging Around And Talking To Various Witnesses He Learned The Gun That Was Supposed To Be The Murder Weapon That Killed King Had Never Really Been Tested He Found Out That The State's Witness That Was Allegedly Going To Identify James As Being The Guy That Was In The Bathroom Of This This Key Boarding House That James Was The Man That Opened The Bathroom Window Out The Back Side Of This Boarding House And Stuck A Gun Out And Waited For King To Step Out On The Second Board Balcony Of The Lorraine Motel So That He Could Be Shot That's The State's Position This Chief Witness Against James Even Though He Said All That He Said It Because He Wanted A Reward But There Was A Number Of Witnesses That Could Testify That That This Fella Was Drunk I Remember That Distinctly And They Did A Television Program About That Within The Last Year Yeah It Was Back In 1993 And That's Part Tapper Was Instrumental In That And We'll Get Into This Later On In The Next 15 Or 20 Minutes But The More That Tapper Started Looking Around And Started Seeing Holes He Came To The Conclusion That If He Would Keep At It He Would Uncover Some Very Important Things Now Some Of The Things That Were Important He Ultimately Determined You Know The Government Said That The Shot Came Out Of The Back Of This Cheap Boarding House From The Bathroom Window On The Second Floor Well This Wayne Chastain Fellow Who's The Lawyer Now On One Of This Back At The Time Of The King Assassination Wayne Was A Reporter For One Of The Memphis Local Papers And Wayne Had Gone Up To That Bathroom And He Remembered Looking Out Of The Bathroom And Reached The Conclusion That Nobody From That Bathroom Window Could See Through The Trees And The Brush In The Back Yard To Pull Off A Shot At King And So Wayne Had Always Been Convinced That It Was Impossible For The Shooting Of King To Occurred In The Manner In Which The Government Contended So Pepper And Wayne Chastain Because They Both Had An Interest In This It Was Natural That Their Taz Would Soon Cross And Indeed They Did So They Found Out One Of The Things They Found Out Was That While Wayne Had Seen The View From The Back Porch Of This Or The Back Room Of The Second Floor Of This Boarding House Had Seen That There Was Trees That Would Prevent A Clean Shot At King An Amazing Thing Happened The Following Day After The King Assassination The City Of Memphis Came Along And Cleaned Out All The Brush All The Trees Well Now With The Trees Gone Who Would Believe That It Would Be Impossible To Shoot The Evidence Of Impossibility Was Removed And So They Found Out That Interesting So Then They Started Running Across People That Were Witnesses Of One Kind Or Another That Saw Suspicious People Working Around The Lorraine Motel And Some People Claimed That They Had Seen A Guy That Was Holding A Gun In The Bushes Behind The Lorraine Motel And Then They Saw Him Walk Off And Jump Off A Wall And Walk Away And So There Was Enough There That If You Kept Looking Over A Period Of Time You Know If You're Just Persistent You're Going To Build A Case And Of Course That That's What Pepper Did Ultimately Pepper Was Looking At The Owner Of Jim's Cafe This Fellow By Lloyd Jowers Now Lloyd Jowers Was Just Your Average Type Of Guy And All He Did Is He Had Two Greasy Spoons So To Speak Just Cheap Little Restaurants And One Of Was Jim's Grill Which Was On The Property Adjoining The Lorraine Motel Soon Pepper Came To The Conclusion That Somehow Some Way Lloyd Jowers Was Involved In All Of This So He Ultimately Determined That Jowers Had Some Waitresses Even Though Jowers Denied It There Were Some Waitresses That Worked For Jowers And They Had Worked For Him On That Day And Ultimately Pepper Was Able To Locate Some Of These And Some Of Said Hey Man Something Real Suspicious Just Happened That Day We Don't Know At All But There Was Some Real Suspicious Seneigans Going On With Old Lloyd Jowers There Was Bunch Of Shady People That Came Into The Restaurant And He Was In And Out Doing All Sorts Of Things And So It Looked Like Old Lloyd Jowers Was Involved In This Thing And Then Pepper Ran Across A Man That Drove A Cab And Used To Frequent Jim's Grill Quite Often And Used To Talk To This Lloyd Jowers And He Contended That On The Day After The King Assassination Lloyd Jowers Had Showed To Him A Gun That Was Being Kept Underneath The Counter At The Jim's Grill And Jowers Told Him That He Had Found This Gun And It Looked Like The Murder Weapon And He Picked It Up Right After The King Assassination Out Behind His Cafe And So Now You Into Indicating That Hey The Lord Jowers Fellow Knows A lot More About What Went On Than You Know He He He He's Not Lily White He's Got Something To Cover Up He Knows Something He's Also Not The Smartest Guy In The World Oh No Doubt About It No Doubt About It Well Either Fortunately Or Unfortunately You Know I Don't Know How To Character It But Jowers Was At The Time Of The King Assassination He Was Carrying On An Affair With One Of His Waitresses Now Maybe It's Unfortunate For Him Unfortunate For Us I Don't Know Which But In In Event Pepper Soon Found This Lady Betty And He Ultimately Made A lot Of Promises To Her And Private Protect Her And Everything Else Like That And She Indicated To Him That She Oh Beautiful For Space The Sky For Amber Ways Of Grey For Purple Mountain Majesties Of The Brute Plain For America Ladies and Gentlemen If you Appreciate The Hour Of The Time And The Information That Is Delivered To You Each Night Monday Through Friday Worldwide Where We Are Speaking To The World And The Message Very Clearly Is If Americans Lose Their Freedoms So Goes The World Wherever You Are Listening To This Broadcast Understand That We Are The Last Really Truly Free People Upon The Face Of This Earth Who Own And Possess The Means To Protect Ourselves Our Property And Our Freedoms And If We Lose This You Lose Any Hope That You Ever Had To Live Free Upon This Earth The Hour Of The Time Is Brought To You By Swiss America Trading These People Have Stuck With 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Craft Would You Like To Pick Up And Continue Where You Left Off Well Tapper Was Getting To The Girlfriend Of Lloyd Jowers And He Knew That She Had A Real Important Story And While She Wouldn't Sign A Real Affidavit About What Was Going On Tapper Picked Up On What Her Story Was You That She Could Pin Point That Lloyd Jowers Had Martin Luther King And If Lord Jowers Had A Role In Assassination Of King James Earl Ray Was Innocent So What Pepper Did Is He Knew That James Had Always Wanted To Have A Real Trial And He Contacted A Movie Production Company Over In London England And Persuaded Them To Provide The Funds For A In Essence A Real Trial Of The Case Of James Earl Ray They Would Go Out And They Would Hire A Real Prosecutor And Of Course They Did They Hired Hickman Ewing Who Was A Former U.S. Attorney For The Western District Of Tennessee Hickman Ewing Incidentally Is Now Working With Star Over In Little Rock Arkansas And We Know The Results Of That Most Recent Victory For The American People I Think That Surprised A Lot Of People Yeah Yeah Yeah Me Included Yeah Well I Think There's A Real Battle That's Going On There You Know I Think Frank Was Counting On His Old Boy Network To Protect Tim And His Buddies And That Didn't Work I I'm Sure But Let's Get Back To Ray So Hickman Ewing Was Hired To Be The Prosecutor And The Company Was Going To Provide Him With The Funds To Bring In Experts To Hire Investigators To Help Present The Government Case And Of Course Naturally The State Of Tennessee Was Going To Work Very Closely With Hickman Ewing He Had Virtually Everything That They Had Access To But Then The Production Company Was Going To Also Fund The Defense And Provide Them With Money For Investigators And Travel And Stuff Like That So That Was Set Up And They Were Even Going To Bring In A Real Judge They Did Bring In A Real Judge They Hired Some Retired Judge Federal Judge Out Of New York To Come In And The Case So The Only Thing That Was Different About This Case Was The Fact That It Just Simply Didn't Have The Sanction Of The State And It Didn't Occur In The Real State Court Room But Nonetheless It Was Thought For All Practical Purposes As A Real Case So Once That Agreement Was Achieved And The Production Company Was Funding The This Project What They Wanted To Do Was To Film The Trial And They Were Going To Ultimately The Agreement Was They Film The Trial And Then They Let The Jury Go Deliberate And They Would Detain The Verdict Of The Jury But Then It Wouldn't Be Revealed Until A Certain Select Night And That Would Be April The Fourth Of 1993 25 Years After King Was Assassinated The 25th Anniversary Of That And That Was The Plan So That Is The Way It Came Off But During The Course Of That Investigation A Lot More Information Came Out Pepper Wasn't Able To Travel A Lot More He Was Able To Hire Some Investigators To Do Some Running Around To Find Out Some Very Interesting Things And Of Course Ultimately Back In I Think It Be January And February Of 93 They Did Have This Mock Trial James Had To Testify From Jail And They Did It With A Camera He Couldn't Come Into The Court Room But He Was Always Present In The Court Room Because Of A Video Set Up But James Testified The Government Presented Their Case The Defense Presented Their Case Which Included James Testifying They Brought In A Lot Of People To Testify About All The Suspicious Circumstances That James Wasn't There When The Jury Went Out After All This Was Over With None Of The Participants Knew What The Verdict Was And Only When They Aired It On April The Fourth Of 1993 Did We Ultimately Learn What The Verdict Of That Not Guilty So James Had Got His Real Trial As Close To The Real Trial As He Could Get It Was Presented By Expert Good Lawyers On Both Sides Government Lawyer Of The Highest Caliber And We Know What He Can Do He Can Convict Clinton's Buddies That's What He Just Did It So Now As A Result Of All Of That That Gave A Boost To The Supporters For James Earl Ray To Have A Mock Trial Result In An Acquittal Of James Earl Ray But Now Things Began To Get A Little Bit More Interesting There Were Some People Down In Latin America That Had A Story To Tell That Was Real Important They're Related To The James Earl Ray Case But They Feared For Their Lives And So Only Through Much Coaxing Only Through These Guys Being Able To See What Pepper Could And Would Do Did Pepper Acquire Their Confidence And So Here's The Story That These Guys Revealed To Pepper Now You Can Read The Book All Of This Is In There But Pepper Is Continuing To Protect These Two Gentlemen Because Some Of Their Associates That Participated In The Same Things That They Did Have Been Bumped Off And So Naturally They Fear For Their Lives And For That Reason Their Names Have Been Held In Confidence So They Will Have An Alias In The Book But This Is The Story That These Guys Revealed That The Government Was Real Fearful Of The King Movement It Took A lot Of Precautions It Did A lot Of Snooping Around It Did A lot Of Ease Dropping It Did A lot Of Tailing You King Got In Championing The Cause Of The Vietnam War That Is When Things Kind Of Came Unglued In Washington D.C. And So The Powers That Be Found That They Would Benefit If King Were Eliminated From The Picture So What They Did Is That They They Did Such Things As This Team Of Sharpshooters From The Army Which Trained In Pocatello Idaho And These Teens Would Divide Up Into Three Groups And The Three Groups Would Pick a Target You know Let's Say That You're Out In The Middle Of A Field And You're Going To Do Some Sharpshooting And You've Got A Space Of A Thousand Yards Between You And These Other People That Are Shooting At The Same Target The Whole Purpose Of All This Is To Have Three Teens Focused In One Target And Pull It Off So That Things Click So They Practiced Using Three Teens These This Particular Group Of Teens Was Sent After They Did This Training They Were Sent Around To Follow And Tell Various Civil Rights Leaders And One Team At One Point In Time I Forgot The Particular Place Where This Occurred But One Thing Came Real Close To Shooting Martin Luther King One Of The Participants Said I Had King In My Crosshairs For A Body Hit And Of Course He Didn't Pull The Trigger Just Right Then And Somebody Else Came Into The Light Of Vision So King Wasn't Shot On That Time But But Then Ultimately The Government Did Show Up On April 4 1968 This Team Came Out Of Camp Shelby In Mississippi They Got Up Early In The Morning They Drove Up To Memphis Tennessee Got Into Downtown Tennessee And Then About One O'clock In The Afternoon Two Teams Were Stationed In Two Different Spots In The Immediate Vicinity Of The Lorraine Motel One Team Was Located On Top Of A Tall Building It's A Railroad Building Say Within 500 Or A Thousand Yards Of The Lorraine Motel We're In Shooting Distances I Can't Gauge Distances Most People Can't Right But They Were On The Roof And They Had A A Leader For Each Group And They Would Communicate By Means Walkie Talkie And So Somebody Would Be Constantly Looking At King To Come Out Of The Hotel And The Sharpshooters One Was Stationed On Top Of The Eight Story Building And Another One Was Stationed Inside Of A Water Tower Also In The Same Vicinity But You Might Ask Gee That's Only Two Two Groups And It Takes Three To Be A Team And Here Comes Raul Right Right It All Falls Into Place It Sure Does Especially Since Raul Has Been Named As Being Involved In The Kennedy Assassination Yeah This Is What These Fellows Down In Latin America Who Fear For Their Lives Say They Were On The Roofs They Had Orders To Kill And That's Where Pepper Gives The Name Of His Book They They They They Were Stationed There And They Had Orders To Shoot Martin Luther King And Andrew Young And They Were To Do It At Any Moment They Stepped Out Of The Hotel To Do Something Like Get Into A Car Or Whatever It Was Very Fortunate That King On The Occasion Where He Got Shot Just Happened To Step Out On The Balcony And Stand There For A Long Period Of Time But These Guys Had King And Young In Their Scope And They Were Sitting There Waiting For The Orders To Kill To Come Over The Walkie Talkie But Then Some Other Shot Rang Out And King Fell So The Third Member Of The Group Was Successful Bringing Down King And So The Government Had A Direct Involvement All Of This Happers Ultimate Conclusion Is That The Whereas A Hit Team Like This That Has Three Prongs So To Speak The Government Only Sent Two Prongs On This Occasion Well It Takes Three To Tango In This Is Well The Government Had Contractually Arranged Through A Private Intermediary Of Of Of Of Of Of Of Pepper Contends Is The Mob Meaning Prove It The Mob Went Out And Hired The Third Man And That Third Man Was Rahul And Why Would The Mob Have An Interest In Killing Martin Luther King Well Pepper Can Show Government Agents Talking To Pepper Located The Driver Of A You Know One Of The Joey Bonano Or Something Like That You Know One Of The New York Mobster Types This Driver Confirms That He Drove You Know This Guy Is Still Alive Today He's Got Religion So He Spilled The Means To Pepper That He Drove One Of These Mob Bosses To A Meeting In Upstate New York Where They Met With A Bunch Of Government Types That Promised To Pay On Big Bucks To Eliminate King It All Falls Into Place It It's Not A Surprise What I Was Fishing For Was The Relationship Between The Intelligence Community And The Mafia Before World War II Well They They've Done Many Things I Don't Think There Has Been Any Relationship I Think It's A Marriage I Think The Mafia Took Over The Government Is That Your View Well The The Way They Operate Is Identical I Always Judge Somebody By Their Actions If The Mob Does Something A Certain Way And If The Government Does It The Same Way I Think They're All They Are But It's A Different Kind Of A Mob To Which They All Belong But You're Right About The Marriage And That's Been Going On For An Awfully Long Time Not Only Between The Intelligence Community And The Mob But In Europe There Was A Relationship Between The Mob The Vatican And The P2 Lodge Propaganda II And These Nefarious Relationships And Connections Between The Underworld And Supposedly Legitimate Government Organizations Is What Throws A Lot Of People Completely Off The Track When They Go Looking For These Things And They Attribute Certain Deeds To People Who Probably Were Involved But That's Not Where The Ultimate Blame Really Lies And That's A Big Problem Isn't It Yes It Is You Know I Think For Your Listeners I Think One Of The Things That Needs To Be Done This Book That William Pepper Has You Know I I'm Just Championing The Cause You Know I'm Interested In James I Like I Like Him You Know He's Just A Cheek Crook I Guess But You Know What He's Been You He's An Important National Figure And He's Important In The Sense That He Was Set Up And Now William Pepper Can Prove It In His Book Orders To Kill And He's Got Everything Documented It's Kind Of A Lengthy Book But I Would Think That A Lot Of Your Listening Audience Would Benefit By Getting This Book It's Going To Be An Education And Once They Get Educated About This Part Matter We Need To Increase The Public Awareness Of The Government's Involvement In This And Once You Get People Acclimated To This Kind Of Thinking In Terms That The Government Can Do This Then They Will Be Receptive To Other Similar Operations And They Can See Them Let Me Give You One Example Are We Not Seeing At The Present Time A Spate Of Burning Black Churches Yes You Know This Happened In The Past It Happened Here In Alabama It Called The Burling Ham Church Bondings Back In The Early Sixties Do You Know We Can For Something Like The Oklahoma Bombing We Can Arrest Within 48 Hours The Culprits I Mean Not Just You Know A Hit And Miss I Mean Absolutely First Shoot First Thing Out Of The Shoot The Guy Within 48 Hours Yet For The Birmingham Church Bombings There Was Never Anybody That Was Prosecuted And Convicted For The Church Bombings Back In Of Of The Same Thing Is Happening Right Now But You Told Me Today That There Was One Arrest Yes Yes And There Was One Conviction But It Was Not For The Bombing Okay And I Think Once I Tell You The Circumstances Of This Case Really Behind The Birmingham Church Bombings Of 30 Years Ago The One Arrest Prosecution And Conviction That Was Related To These Cases Was A Black Man That Black Man Saw Some Law Enforcement Officers Toss A Milotov Cocktail Or Some Type Of A Bomb Into A Black Church And He Picked Up The Phone And Called The Cops And That Was And He Was Arrested Tried And Convicted For The Reprehensible Crime Of Filing A False Government Report Which Report Doesn't That Say Too Much Yes And It Says An Awful Lot It Says Too Much In Fact So You Know There's A Lot That Happened In America There Is A Lot That Will Happen In The Future And People Need To Become Receptive To Aware Of Some Of These Little Factions Some Of These Little Events That Help Point The Finger In The Direction Of Who Is Really Pulling Off These Events We've Got To Increase Public Awareness About The Situation Involving James Earl Ray And Once That Happens I Think We'll Be Entering Into The Next Level Of The Battle Against The Government The Government In Our Country That Is Running Rosh Shots Over Everybody That Once Reduce Us To A Bunch Of Slaves Yes They Do They Wanted To Destroy This Country And Create Something Bigger Of Which This Will Just Be A Small Part Oh Yeah And Lemonade A lot Of The Population To Yes That's One Of Their Goals And They're Very Clear About That They Don't Hide Any Of This And That's The That's The worst Thing About It In My Estimation Is That None Of This Is Hidden For Anybody Who Really Wants To Do The Research And Look And It Doesn't Really Take A Whole Lot Of Effort But It Does Require That People Get Up Off The Couch And At Least March Down To Their Library Once Or Twice A Month Or Or Like Order Dr. Pepper's Book And Many Other Things And That's That's Got To Change Larry And How Do We Get These People To Change Those Kinds Of Habits How Do We Get Them To Change I Don't Know That's The Secret I'm Looking For But This I Do Know There's Too Many American Men That Don't Have Any Guts There's Too Many American Men That Have A Yellow Street Down Their Back A Mile Wide By Golly I'm So Happy If you Can Read Pepper's Book And Let me Just Say There's A Parallel Between The Civil Rights Movement And What We're Going Through And If We Don't Learn The Lessons Of The Civil Rights Movement They Were Effective They Have The Government Quaking In Their Boots And We Can Do It Too And All It's Going To Take Is People That Are Willing To Stand Up It Doesn't Take A You Don't Have To Be Trained To Be Some Superman To Do It All You Have To Do Is Say I've Had Enough And I Want To Reclaim My Country And We Need More People That Are Willing To Get Up Off Turn The Boob Tube Off And Get Up And Stand For America I Want To I Want To Us To Go Out To America And Have Our Message So Persuasive So True So Intriguing And We Go Out There With Such A Missionary Zeal That Within The Next Couple Of Years We Bring The Great Body Of The American People Over To Our Side We Can Do It We Have To Do It Larry Because Two Years Is About All The Time That We're Going To Have To Do It And If We Haven't Accomplished Something Major During That Time I'm Very Very Fearful For My Children And Grandchildren Me Too So You Started Off The Show I Think You Had Your Daughter On Yes I Have A Girl That Be Christian She Will Be Well That's Wonderful Who Will Be Six In The Morning So We'll Celebrate For Yours Too Good You Get Yours At Six In The Morning Yes Oh Hey That's Interesting That's Why I Said Tomorrow Is Her Day She Has To Go Get Some Sleep Okay Good Good Well Well Bill It's Been A Pleasure To Be On Your Show And I Certainly Thank You Very Much And You Are An Eloquent Storyteller And Unfortunately This Story Is True And Folks Within The Next Few Broadcasts I'm Going To Read To You Verbatim These Transcripts The Transcripts Of The Preliminary Statement Filed By James Earl Ray And His Legal Counsel And Also The Answer The Response Of Defendant Raul Blank Well That's Just One Of Them Yeah I Also I Just When I Was Over There Bill I Just Saw That And Out Of The Ones I Just Picked I Want One With Raul Blank On So You're Just Getting A Snapshot There With That One Well Great It's A Lot Wait Till You Hear It Folks Good Night And God Bless Each And Every Single One Of You If Tomorrow All Things Were Gone And Work For All My Life And I Had To Start Again With Just My Children And My Wife I Thank My Lucky Star To Be Living Here Today Cause The Flag Still Stand For Freedom And They Can't Take That Away And I'm proud To Be An American Where At At At At At At At And I Won't Forget The Men Who Died Who Gave That Right To Me And I Have This End Up Next To You And You Still Today But There Ain't No Doubt I Love This Man God Bless The U.S.A.